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post #61 of 119

The link I posted where it shows 73w of power consumption is for the ENTIRE pc which includes the mobo, ram, and ssd. I'm not real familiar with pico power supplies but the 120w version seems like it would work but the 150w version is only a few dollars more, might as well get that one. I don't know if you know this but the pico psu requires a ac/dc power supply.

 

http://www.mini-box.com/picoPSU-150-XT

http://www.mini-box.com/12v-12-5A-AC-DC-Power-Adapter

post #62 of 119
You can also go with SPDIF via the headphone style jack (2.5mm or 3.5mm) and get a cable that goes from that to RCA style (Digital COAX)



many motherboards or add on sound cards support digital out via the same jacks you use for speakers or headphones to save cost- but you can toggle or configure it to output digital instead of analog sound. Or some even have dedicated digital out jacks.

Technically speaking- A digital COAX cable is as good as it gets for sound quality. At least back in your AVR's days that was true. Today you can do HD Audio via HDMI but if you have no support for that it does not matter.

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Originally Posted by nas1080p View Post

If it's an issue to get hold of a mini-itx motherboard which has S/PDIF out as DTS, then I'd be willing to accept going for a micro-atx motherboard instead.


This is a solid option.


I prefer M-atx over ITX for many reasons. You can keep you cost down and typically find extra value or features in micro ATX. That Asrock M-atx I linked would be a good choice IMO.
The choice to get ITX should be arrived at because you have a certain HTPC case you want to use that is ITX only- that is the only reason you would want to choose ITX. It's not an automatic choice, rather a last choice IMO.

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Originally Posted by Mrkazador View Post

The link I posted where it shows 73w of power consumption is for the ENTIRE pc which includes the mobo, ram, and ssd. I'm not real familiar with pico power supplies but the 120w version seems like it would work but the 150w version is only a few dollars more, might as well get that one.

+1
Edited by Mfusick - 9/11/13 at 3:11pm
post #63 of 119
Thread Starter 
Right thank you guys. I'm going to give the pico-psu a miss as it's way too expensive to reap any benefits. Whereas the Antec green is £35, the pico-psu 150-xt is £44 + the 12v adapter for £30-£40....might as well stick with Antec Green PSU.

As for changing the case, that then brings it's drawbacks as the power consumptions rises another 25-35W which is a lot IMHO.

Plus remember that I don't plan to upgrade this...the only things that MAY and this is a big MAY be added in the near future are: EXTRA RAM, 3.5IN HDD. That case has got enough space for both of these, so I'm happy. One problem is that the price has gone upto £308 as many suppliers either don't stock parts or have given incorrect prices to start off with.

Guys the only last thing I'm going to ask you to help me with is to double-check that everything is compatible with each other and that I won't have any problems fitting them into the case. For example is the PSU okay to go into the mini-itx case? Is the motherboard okay for DTS? In fact is the motherboard a good choice?

The reason I'm asking you to do this is because my order is going to be from different suppliers and I don't want to have to keep returning items due to a mistake.

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PCPartPicker part list: http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/p/1CErY
Price breakdown by merchant: http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/p/1CErY/by_merchant/
Benchmarks: http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/p/1CErY/benchmarks/

CPU: Intel Celeron G1620 2.7GHz Dual-Core Processor (£34.79 @ Aria PC)
Motherboard: Asus P8H77-I Mini ITX LGA1155 Motherboard (£80.44 @ Amazon UK)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws Series 4GB (1 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory (£35.06 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Samsung 840 Series 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk (£71.99 @ Aria PC)
Case: Cooler Master Elite 120 Advanced (Black) Mini ITX Tower Case (£33.71 @ Aria PC)
Power Supply: Antec EarthWatts Green 380W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply (£39.02 @ Ebuyer)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer (£13.15 @ Amazon UK)
Total: £308.16
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-09-11 23:16 BST+0100)

EDIT: My posts keep getting moderated, so apologies if they end up getting repeated twice.
**Out of interest Mfusick mate, what case and motherboard and psu would you have chosen if you went for Micro-Atx?
Edited by nas1080p - 9/11/13 at 3:38pm
post #64 of 119
I personally don't like the Antec EarthWatts Green 380W. I find the 80mm fan to be too loud. I prefer 120mm fans
post #65 of 119
Thread Starter 
Thanks andy, so what do you recommend?

Also could anyo help me with my previous post questions?

Thanx
post #66 of 119
Is there a particular reason you are building 2 systems? If you can hide the normal case and run cables where you need then you'd save a lot.

Remember your costs so far doesn't include any os, and your machine (if identical to the htpc) isn't going to idle at a lower power
post #67 of 119
Thread Starter 
Thanks for your reply darkslayee.
The only reason for building 2 machines is so that one low-power pc is available on demand without costing a fortune to run.

The only thing i can think of is to up my budget to a higher spec, but ultra low power pc and somehow that pc needs to run Windows and act as a fast NAS Server... Is this possible? If so please tell me as I'm open to all options

Why mate? What do you advice?
Edited by nas1080p - 9/12/13 at 12:18am
post #68 of 119
Well neither serving nor typical 2D htpc duties will fully utilize a g1610 even if concurrently. Madvr, SVP, and 3d aren't what I'd consider typical or budget. I'd call them luxury. You can get double bang for your buck with one system, one os, all in one case if you can tuck it away. Almost any atx mid tower can hold 3-5 HDDs and an ODD plus a case like that is cheaper if you can hide it. That's what I do in my living room.

As for wdtv live I'd suggest following the android support xbmc subforum. I still haven't found a suitable 3rd / 4th room streamer and the nuc is too expensive/power hungry for this task when compared to android IMO

Also plex during a transcode is difficult to ff/rw. It'd be problematic no matter what hardware. Serving that same file will be no sweat, so I'd go the route where your initial investment is a server (nas) / htpc combo and wait for a better streamer by the year end. I agree the RPi is sub par. A create your own box with the same hardware you have picked out can run openelec from a flash drive rather than ssd to save money (os cost) as an additional htpc, but the kids PC is probably up to the task already or could be with a $20 gpu add in. If you like xbmc (my preference) then it's easier/cheaper to expand to more rooms as needed
post #69 of 119
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I do use XBMC. I totally agree with the plex ff/rw difficulties mate and I thought a NAS would have solved that. Your right...i'm wasting money by buying 2 systems. I do want to order ASAP, so rather than us going around in circles mate, can you please kindly help me with choosing the right system and parts...i.e. choose a case etc for me:- http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/
post #70 of 119
Thread Starter 
Okay mate...I don't want a massive case, so can you please recommend me the smallest case that doesn't need to fit more than 4 hdds at the most, using this site: http:// uk . pcpartpicker . com/

I do really need to keep the price under £300 as it's only a pc for kids and the odd movies and so far it's now £320. I could have bought a laptop for this price!


In fact what do you think of the Fractal Design Arc Mini (Micro-Atx) or the BitFenix Prodigy Mini-itx tower?
Edited by nas1080p - 9/12/13 at 1:49am
post #71 of 119
I am not sure about over there, but over here there have been great deals lately on the Fractal Design Node 304.
post #72 of 119
What's wrong with the micro ATX case I listed ?

To me that's nicer looking as a HTPC than some ITX loaf looking box.
post #73 of 119
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mfusick View Post

What's wrong with the micro ATX case I listed ?

To me that's nicer looking as a HTPC than some ITX loaf looking box.

I think I have no choice now and will have to go down the M-ATX anyway mate. The reason is that the stupid site I used to build all my pc components isn't fully uptodate and once I added total for the parts and for each supplier, the price jumped from just under £300 to £335! ($530!) eek.gif Thats bloody ridiculous and as you've clearly said beats the point of power-saving, so it's back to m-atx mad.gif

Look at what dell give you for £299: http:// www .dell.com /uk/p/desktop-deals#overrides=

I'm gonna check your system out
post #74 of 119
Socket 1150 is better for HTPC and worth $40 IMO
post #75 of 119
Thread Starter 
mate, i don't suppose you can spare a few mins on skype or some real-time chat app...it's great to talk on here, but I'm going out of my mind choosing the pc specs....i'm happy with going for a larger case too, but want to keep the cost down.

I've even willing to buy a 2nd hand pc on ebay. I'm really desperate to get this sorted.


You have to remember that here in the UK, the prices are extortionate. £335 equates to over $530! I have now used your cpu, case and motherboard and thats come to £284, but it's without the pc case and some of the prices are wrong, so now it's climbed to about £370 if i include your case and shipping costs.



CPU: Intel Pentium G3220 3.0GHz Dual-Core Processor (£46.79 @ Aria PC)
Motherboard: ASRock B85M Pro4 Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard (£78.65 @ Overclockers.co.uk)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws Series 4GB (1 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory (£35.06 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Samsung 840 Series 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk (£71.99 @ Aria PC)
Power Supply: Antec EarthWatts Green 380W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply (£38.80 @ Amazon UK)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer (£13.15 @ Amazon UK)
Total: £284.44
Edited by nas1080p - 9/12/13 at 11:00am
post #76 of 119
I've good result on my Media File Server (4 x 2 TB stripe configuration ReFS ), based on Windows Server 2012 inside one Gigabit LAN.
CPU AMD XII 240e (45W) and ASRock N68C-S UCC - 4Gbyte RAM.
In the network there are 2 HTPC and 2 Workstation - Smart TV, other many wi-fi device (x-box- tablet Androi- smartphone )

No problems to playback 3 ISO Bluray-files simultaneously, but at the moment there isn't one sotware very good DLNA server. Just one: Best Mezzmo, but many problems yet.

bye
post #77 of 119
Thread Starter 
Hi rinorho,
Yeah but i bet you're system costs a lot of money... In fact what does it cost?
post #78 of 119
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mfusick View Post

Socket 1150 is better for HTPC and worth $40 IMO
I disagree that it's better for HTPC based on a budget build. You always tend to think everything is worth $10, $20, $40, etc but where is the value added in this case? I don't think it makes any sense for someone on a budget, and there is no reason to assume everyone is going to play socket-swap with 10+ CPUs within 1-2 years. Remember the OP still has to buy a windows license and HDD storage down the road

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Originally Posted by nas1080p View Post

mate, i don't suppose you can spare a few mins on skype or some real-time chat app...it's great to talk on here, but I'm going out of my mind choosing the pc specs....i'm happy with going for a larger case too, but want to keep the cost down.

I've even willing to buy a 2nd hand pc on ebay. I'm really desperate to get this sorted.


You have to remember that here in the UK, the prices are extortionate. £335 equates to over $530! I have now used your cpu, case and motherboard and thats come to £284, but it's without the pc case and some of the prices are wrong, so now it's climbed to about £370 if i include your case and shipping costs.

Stick with the 1155 build to save money, and in reality you won't see power savings in mATX/ATX LGA designs going with Haswell over Ivy Bridge. You can save power going with a BGA design, but that would mean sacrificing SATA ports to connect additional HDDs. I'd ignore the "dream" that Haswell will save you power with an ATX/mATX LGA layout, and just go for the 1155. It should bring your prices back in line and let you add the case.

Also, if you have room to hide a case, you should be able to go for one of these http://www.scan.co.uk/shop/computer-hardware/all/cases/performance-cases. Go for 120mm fans in the case, but as to which one you choose it's really a personal preference. You have to live with it, so choose what doesn't look ugly or too expensive
post #79 of 119
Thread Starter 
Thanks Dark_Slayer.

The problem I have is that many of the parts are either not available or their price has been pushed up, hence the PC is now coming to £335 ($530), which is way too high mate.

It's good you replied though as I was about to give up on building and buy this pre-built machine which to me seemed like a good deal:-

www. ebuyer.com /519887-zoostorm-desktop-pc-7873-1092

(Sorry, but for some reason the forum is moderating each time I post web links, so please remove the two spaces to use the above link)
post #80 of 119
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Here's another dirt cheap pc:-

http:// www. aria. co.uk /SuperSpecials/Other+products/GLADIATOR+AMD+E-350D+Zacate+Dual-Core+Next+Day+Desktop+PC+?productId=52469#rqc
post #81 of 119
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Originally Posted by nas1080p View Post

Here's another dirt cheap pc:-

http:// www. aria. co.uk /SuperSpecials/Other+products/GLADIATOR+AMD+E-350D+Zacate+Dual-Core+Next+Day+Desktop+PC+?productId=52469#rqc

The Zacate can be a fine 2D HTPC and plenty of power for a server/nas. I don't know how well it would serve as a Plex transcoder

The same site has a g2020 and i3-3220 pre-built available as well as an A4 Richland. None are as cheap as the Zacate, but would be better all around choices based on their ability to serve plex trancodes to tablets, smartphones, x360, streamers, etc.
post #82 of 119
Thread Starter 
Thanks darkslayer,

As long as processing power is at least the same as my old htpc, I'm happy, but i want you to tell me which one to go for.
Btw, is the zacate's processing power at least the same as the athlon 240e?

PS: They have got many more bundles on their websites than i can list.
post #83 of 119
No, the Zacate is weaker than the 240e. Its about the weakest CPU you can get these days. It will likely not run iPlayer if that's any interest to you.
post #84 of 119
Thread Starter 
So what do you recommend?
post #85 of 119
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Originally Posted by nas1080p View Post

So what do you recommend?

I already gave your my recommendations in your other thread. I think I made them here too. You are unfortunately suffering from information overload. You had a nice system spec'd until someone swooped in and told you mini-ITX is crap (which it's not, it was fine for what you're doing). Then, someone else came along and told you not to have a server and HTPC as you planned so you scrapped that. Now you're looking at used PCs. You kinda have to pick one strategy/architecture that works for you and stick with it or else you'll just keep going around and around changing your mind with each new post.

I would take a step back and think about what all your requirements are and list them with as much detail as possible. Right now I think you want:

Storage for media (how much? 4 disks? 6 disks? how much in the future?)
2D HTPC duties
Low-power/efficient
Low budget
Available in the UK

I am not sure what style case you're thinking (something visible that complements your home theater or something hidden from view). I don't remember if you need an optical drive or not for backing up your movies.
post #86 of 119
+1 ^

For record I'm only offering advice with sincere effort to help. Not to confuse or persuade. Also ITX isn't crap .. It's just less value which could be a factor in a limited budget scenario. You can often get a cheaper better mobo in M-ATX. For example I thought there was some value in the Matx Asrock I posted in that its cheaper, has intel LAN, and a newer better chipset.

But the decision is yours to make. The loaf looking box of ITX is less attractive to me than something like the m-ATX Milo3 Silverstone that has a nice simple look and matches well with an AVR, cable box, bluray etc...

At the end it really comes down to personal taste and where you will locate it. If you need to spend a little more on ITX to get a certain form factor or if you prefer the look personally and don't mind spending a little more money to get it then nothing wrong with that.

Lastly,

I think a server +client HTPC (SSD only) is really the best modern way to go and gives best performance.

And double lastly ,

Don't buy a used PC
post #87 of 119
Thread Starter 
@ StardogChampion - I totally agree with you mate. Thats exactly what has happened. I started off with my requirements and that quickly spiraled from a basic HTPC + NAS to a much more powerful machine and a lot more bigger in size. Don't get me wrong, EVERYONE on here has been absolutely wonderful, trying to help me, but different opinions have totally confused me and now I'm not sure what I want. Read below mate for what I'm looking for.

@ Mfusick - Don't be silly mate, you've been absolutely brilliant in trying to advice me and I for one am extremely grateful.

Let me make this clear to everyone....I am extremely grateful for all your help and advice, so please don't be disheartened or think that this is not appreciated wink.gif

========================================

So guys, rather that get further confused, lets forget what any of us have mentioned previously - I'd like to start again and this time my request is for you guys to take a look at Post #21. That is my current setup and layout. I simply want a solution to my problem:-

1. CENTRAL STORAGE SOLUTION SUCH AS A NAS OR LAN HDD that I send TORRENT, NZB FILES to, SABNZBD etc from my main pc and will automatically download them ready to use

2. BASIC, SMALL/ITX LOWER POWER PC for the living room that can handle daily office tasks, basic games, web browsing 1080p movies and can output DTS sound via S/PDIF.

Now if after looking at the diagram you think that one machine can do the job of a PC as well as act as a low-power NAS, then I'm willing to increase my budget to around £450ish.
If not, then my budget ranges from £250 - £300 for the PC and about £150-£180 for the NAS.

YOU GUYS DECIDE AND THINK OF THE BEST SOLUTION FOR ME!! biggrin.gif
post #88 of 119
For budget HTPC builds, the classic choices are:

Silverstone SST-ML03B USB3.0 PC Case

or a variation on the Apex MI-008 like this:

Thermaltake VL52021N2 Element Q 220W Mini ITX Case

Do either of these appeal to you as far as how they look? Which one do you like better?
post #89 of 119
Thread Starter 
I like the thermaltake case for its small size
post #90 of 119
Ok, in that Thermaltake case, a good bargain HTPC would be:

CPU/Motherboard
Intel G1610 Box Celeron Dual Core Processor (2.6GHz, 2MB Cache Socket 1155) £31.90
ASRock B75M-ITX Motherboard £60.76

I would also go ahead and get a low-profile cooler in this case because the stock cooler butts up against the power of the power supply causing cooling issues
Akasa AK-CC7118HP01 K25 Low Profile Intel Cooler for LGA 775/1156/1155 £12.45
or
SilverStone SST-NT07-1156 36.5mm Nitrogon CPU Cooler £23.22

RAM
Crucial CT2KIT25664BA1339 PC1333 Main Memory DDR3 4 GB Crucial Value CL9 2x2 GB Kit Retail £30.28

SSD
Samsung 840 120GB SSD £73.99 (or if you can find a 64GB SSD that is fine too)

If you need additional cooling in that case, you can snap in a 120mm fan where the 2nd 3.5" hard drive would go on the side
E.g.: Gelid Solutions Silent 12 Quiet PC Case Fan 120mm £5.95

This is my standard base 2D HTPC (though I use a different case/power supply but since you are in the UK I don't list it).

Do you need an optical drive? This case will fit a standard 5.25" optical.
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