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post #1201 of 2923
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Originally Posted by ifhima View Post

You mention crosstalk "was mainly noticeable when I kept the 3D glasses brightness on high". Do you have Epson's RF 3D Glasses, and, if so do they have a brightness level control? I didn't notice a setting other than sync and power.

I currently have a 5020, and crosstalk and convergence have been my two main issues with this projector. I am considering the 5030, but would really love feedback on whether these two issues have improved from the 5020 to 5030 - especially 3D crosstalk.

I have the Epson glasses along with two different model Samsung RF glasses. All of them show the same brightness and crosstalk level as the others. When I change the brightness level in the settings, it affects the Samsungs as well, not just the Epsons.

Its hard for me to say that the crosstalk level has been improved from the 5020, but I can say with confidence that the 5030 has a better overall and much more enjoyable 3D picture than the 5020.
post #1202 of 2923
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Originally Posted by kbarnes701 View Post

I’d recommend the Peerless Precision Universal mount - like this:



It has millimetric adjustments in all planes and makes setup of the PJ a snap. I use mine with a 3 inch extension pole, not because I need the extension especially, but because it also allows for minute adjustments (by turning the mount in the thread) and once in position can be locked into place with a locking screw. This means the mount has minute adjustments possible in all three planes, all of which can be locked down once you are all set. It is also incredibly well made.
+1 I have this mount too. It's AWESOME.
post #1203 of 2923
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Originally Posted by eliocon View Post

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Originally Posted by kbarnes701 View Post

I’d recommend the Peerless Precision Universal mount - like this:



It has millimetric adjustments in all planes and makes setup of the PJ a snap. I use mine with a 3 inch extension pole, not because I need the extension especially, but because it also allows for minute adjustments (by turning the mount in the thread) and once in position can be locked into place with a locking screw. This means the mount has minute adjustments possible in all three planes, all of which can be locked down once you are all set. It is also incredibly well made.
+1 I have this mount too. It's AWESOME.

Ditto... Works awesome.
post #1204 of 2923
Hows sharpness on this projector? anyone coming from DLP and think it can match it?
post #1205 of 2923
Using Epson's projector distance calculator for a 120" screen w/ 9' ceilings it recommends mounting 3'2" drop from ceiling. That would make it at 5'8" height which would hit everyone in the head. Can I mount it closer to the ceiling say 7' or 2' from ceiling?

In an open bonus room with window blinds, I would estimate medium daytime light, would you recommend a 1.1 or 1.3 gain screen?
post #1206 of 2923
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Originally Posted by flyguyjake View Post

Using Epson's projector distance calculator for a 120" screen w/ 9' ceilings it recommends mounting 3'2" drop from ceiling. That would make it at 5'8" height which would hit everyone in the head. Can I mount it closer to the ceiling say 7' or 2' from ceiling?

In an open bonus room with window blinds, I would estimate medium daytime light, would you recommend a 1.1 or 1.3 gain screen?

There is lots of adjustment, hanging it 2' down would be no problem at all.
post #1207 of 2923
And hanging it from the ceiling at 12' from screen vs on a shelf at 15' from screen? Is that 3' difference that critical to overall brightness, sharpness & 3D effect?
post #1208 of 2923
For those having troubles with focusing the projector, I had the same challenge trying to eagle eye from 19 feet away. I got a cheap pair of binoculars, problem solved.
post #1209 of 2923
I just got the mount recommended by my vendor -- AnchorMOUNT ACP-PM12-BK

There are only 2 decently long arms included and the rest are really short. I can only reach the 2 mount holes in the back of the projector + the one in the front center.

The manual doesn't even list this mount hole as being meant for mounting. Is this going to be safe to mount?



update: Called the Epson phone number on the bottom of the projector. The front hole which I circled is NOT safe to use as a mount, only the 4 corners should be.
Edited by garrettmoore - 11/18/13 at 4:50pm
post #1210 of 2923
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Originally Posted by jamieuk147 View Post

Hows sharpness on this projector? anyone coming from DLP and think it can match it?
I had a BenQ W10000,and still have but not currently in use an Infocus IN83. I've got no issue with sharpness coming from those two. Text is not quite as sharp but for actual footage no worries. I use super resolution no higher than 3 and I also use a Darbee. Projecting onto a 120" AT screen 1.3 gain.
post #1211 of 2923

Chief RPA-168 mount is custom made for Epson and is a perfect fit for the 5030.  Only comes in black though.

post #1212 of 2923
I'm also planning on using a 120" screen w/ 9' ceilings in a living room environment - being the pj newbie that I am, I'm slowly coming to the realization that maybe I should be getting an extension rod in addition to the Peerless PRGUNV Precision Gear Universal Projector Mount. Is this correct? I just haven't seen many people mention ceiling rods so maybe it's assumed knowledge - if somebody could let me know if it's possible/optimal to just use the ceiling mount that'd be great, thanks! Or...is vertical offset just that good? smile.gif

P.S. If I go with the extension rod, should I just get the wood joist ceilng mount and the extension column as mentioned in the amazon link:
http://www.amazon.com/Peerless-PRGUNV-Precision-Universal-Projector/dp/B000TXNS6G/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1384827082&sr=8-1&keywords=peerless
Edited by Janhaus - 11/18/13 at 8:09pm
post #1213 of 2923
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Originally Posted by JewDaddy View Post

So I'm trying to decide if having my Epson 5030 would benefit from being ceiling mounted as opposed to my current shelf mount setup. The Epson sits about 17-18ft away from my Elite Screens EZ Frame 1.1 gain screen. I think I can get the projector close to 10 or 11 ft if I ceiling mount it. I'm definitely not having issues with the brightness performance but every little bit in 3D would be appreciated.

My main reason for wanting to ceiling mount is having a uniformly sharp and in focus image. I'm having issues getting the picture completely in focus in its entirety. When I get it perfectly sharp in the center, the right hand or left hand side will be a little blurry. I've gotten it dialed in the best I can, but it's never perfect. Maybe I've heard wrong but I'm under the impression that the closer you have the projector to the screen and the less lens shift being used, the less focus issues the projector will have.

I have someone coming out on Wednesday and for the mount and all, it's going to cost around $300. I'm nervous because I'm not sure the ceiling mount will make a $300 difference and I might cancel before then. Any thoughts or suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks

I usually check the focus uniformity with the image in the center of the lens. This is mainly for my HP, but it's usually where you'll see the most consistent focus across the screen. The 2 5030's i've had here were quite good with focus across my 142" screen.

How far out of adjustment are you talking about?
post #1214 of 2923
Does anyone have a projector calculator for the 5030 that accurately estimates the ceiling mount distance? The projectorcentral one doesn't do this, and now that I'm looking for my third replacement mount, I want to ensure I get it right -- I am really sick of going through mounts that don't fit.

My ceilings are around 8.5ft and my screen is 92" and approximately 2.5ft from the floor.

edit: found an Epson one that isn't perfect but is decent. http://www.epson.com/alf_upload/landing/distance-calculator/
post #1215 of 2923
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Janhaus View Post

I'm also planning on using a 120" screen w/ 9' ceilings in a living room environment - being the pj newbie that I am, I'm slowly coming to the realization that maybe I should be getting an extension rod in addition to the Peerless PRGUNV Precision Gear Universal Projector Mount. Is this correct? I just haven't seen many people mention ceiling rods so maybe it's assumed knowledge - if somebody could let me know if it's possible/optimal to just use the ceiling mount that'd be great, thanks! Or...is vertical offset just that good? smile.gif

P.S. If I go with the extension rod, should I just get the wood joist ceilng mount and the extension column as mentioned in the amazon link:
http://www.amazon.com/Peerless-PRGUNV-Precision-Universal-Projector/dp/B000TXNS6G/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1384827082&sr=8-1&keywords=peerless

 

The Epson has a huge vertical shift range so you don't need to worry too much about the height being exactly, textbook correct. You can mount the Precision Universal directly to the ceiling with no problem - it has holes in the top plate specifically for that. There are a couple of reasons you may want to use the wood joist ceiling mount and an extension pole:

 

  1. Although the PJ has a huge range of vertical shift, it is always best, if possible, to mount the PJ at the recommended height. Vertical shift is an optical adjustment so it is fairly benign to image quality, but what happens when you use shift is that the image is no longer projected exactly through the centre of the lens. It is slightly 'off'. All lenses are sharpest at the centre, so using a somewhat offset position can slightly degrade the image quality. For a small offset I doubt you will see any difference though in real life. You may have noticed a similar effect when using a camera - the corners of the image are always slightly softer than the centre with most telephoto lenses. The Epson 5030 uses an improved Fujinon lens so I doubt a small offset is a problem. If you use an extension pole you can get the PJ mounted at the right height, or closer to it.
     
  2. I use a short (3 inch) extension with my Peerless Universal mount. This does bring the PJ a little closer to the 'perfect' height, but this is not why I use the extension. I use it because it then enables me to rotate the entire PJ by tiny little amounts (by rotating the pole in its thread) and this helps you to get the PJ perfectly parallel to the wall. Once it is spot on, tightening the small locking screw fixes the pole in position. You can do this rotation by rotating the entire mount at the ceiling because the mounting holes in the top plate are elongated for this purpose, but I find it is next to impossible to do it accurately - you can get it right and then when you tighten the screws the thing moves a little. And, of course, tiny movements at the PJ translate into big movements at the screen.

 

The other adjustments on this exceptional mount then allow for adjustment up and down (front to back) and up and down (left to right). IOW, you have total control over all three planes of adjustment, and in millimetric amounts. Once adjusted all adjusters are locked off and the PJ will not move. 

 

One other good thing about the mount is that it is in two parts - the lower part, which actually fastens to the PJ, can be detached from the upper part by unscrewing a fastener and this means you can remove the entire PJ from the mount in 2 seconds and replace it similarly - eg after a lamp change - and you do not lose any of the adjustments you made before!  It is a superb mount and the best I have seen.

post #1216 of 2923
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Originally Posted by Livid88 View Post

Hi, I was hoping someone on this thread could help. I'm in Australia and wanting to buy the Epson 5030ub which is supposed to be called the eh-tw 9200 here. The problem I'm having is the local online sellers seem to only stock the eh-tw 8200 and when I look on the Aussie Epson website the 9200 is black (I'm after the white 5030ub).
Can anyone from Australia or the UK answer these questions
1. Is the eh-tw 8200 the new model just released?
2. Does it have frame interpolation in 3d? (Aussie EPSON website doesn’t mention it)
3. Is it only the premium 9200 that has THX mode?

Livid88, the Australian 8200 series are very close to the American 5030 models, but not quite the same.

5030UB = TW8200, but without THX or B&W Cinema modes (white)
5030UBe = no equivalent model in Australia (wireless version of above)
6030UB = TW9200 (black), has THX mode
6030UBe = TW9200W (white), as above with wireless. Note that this model also has MHL, but this is a feature on the wireless HD unit, not on the projector itself.

The TW8200 is a recent release (Oct-13) and yes it does have 3D frame interpolation. You are correct in that there is no mention on the Epson website and even the manual only states that it has frame interpolation, it isn't specific about having it in 3D mode. I just went played a bit of Man of Steel 3D to confirm it for you. You have Off, Low, Medium & High settings as per 2D mode, with the video effect well and truly achievable. And just to reiterate other comments, it is *loud* in the 3D mode.

The TW9200 models are in short supply at the moment, but they can't be far away, the Epson online shop has them for sale.
Edited by nijimon - 11/22/13 at 9:12pm
post #1217 of 2923
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Originally Posted by JewDaddy View Post

Thanks for the info. You pretty much just made up my mind that mounting it closer will be the way to go. One thing I've noticed with this projector be with others is that I have to adjust the focus sometimes even after I seemed to have found the sweet spot. What causes this? Is that due to having it shelf mounted?


JewDaddy - If the shelf is working for you, it's a lot of effort to go ceiling mount that may not impact what you're seeing. It should definitely be brighter. Keep in mind your screen may have a minimum distance suggestion, and generally people suggest the middle of the zoom range tends to be favorable. The closer you are the wider the beam of light coming from the projector creating more diverse angles of reflection. Probably not an issue for you, but something to consider. Of course, you should be able to easily test out various distances and see the impact. Perhaps ceiling mount will cause you to shift the vertical offset onto a more focus friendly part of the lens. I'm interested to hear how this works out for you!
post #1218 of 2923
I recently tried the 2D-3D conversion on a TV show through my DirecTV receiver And I thought it looked ok, so I wanted to try it on a 2D Blu-ray on my PS3 and the option is grayed out as some others like Frame Interpolation (I also tried my new PS4) I've played a few 3D Blu-ray's already and they look great. I've looked through the manual already and there is no indication that 2D Blu-rays can't be converted. I'm running everything through my Yamaha RX-V675BL-Any ideas?

Thanks,
Chris
post #1219 of 2923
I had droptheremote come calibrate my 5030 with my BD 1.4 screen. A completely amazing difference. There is just no way I could have calibrated this with just the calibration disk.

Living Room setting before:
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Living Room setting after:
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Edited by FATHERFORD - 11/19/13 at 8:16am
post #1220 of 2923
Can someone please confirm that the Peerless model being recommended for this projector is PRG-UNV?

Does this mount 100% fit this projector without any compromise? The manual lists it as extending up to 17", which means it's pretty much at max extension to mount this projector.
post #1221 of 2923
greyscale and gamma definitely need adjustments in living room mode but it's easy enough to fix with a meter and you get 1100+ lumens which is great for ambient light viewing.

Did the calibration set the memory modes for each calibration? I recently did a 5030 with a specific setting for 2D Natural mode low lamp and high (major greyscale changes on high), 2D Living room mode and also a 3D mode through the glasses. I'm not sure how many calibrators are performing 3D cal through the glasses but it can make a great difference when done correctly.
post #1222 of 2923
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Originally Posted by zombie10k View Post

greyscale and gamma definitely need adjustments in living room mode but it's easy enough to fix with a meter and you get 1100+ lumens which is great for ambient light viewing.

Did the calibration set the memory modes for each calibration? I recently did a 5030 with a specific setting for 2D Natural mode low lamp and high (major greyscale changes on high), 2D Living room mode and also a 3D mode through the glasses. I'm not sure how many calibrators are performing 3D cal through the glasses but it can make a great difference when done correctly.

The calibrator set these in my memory:
Living Room : ISF Day
Living Room: ISF Night
THX :ISF Day
THX: ISF Night

We didn't do 3d or the other settings. I really didn't see the point. I'm either watching cable during the day with lights on windows open, or at night with black outs in place and lights off.
post #1223 of 2923
Shoot, Droptheremote was just in Austin this week - but I wasn't. I'll have to keep an eye out for when he comes back.

What did he charge to calibrate the 5030 if I may ask?
post #1224 of 2923
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Originally Posted by Ix View Post

Shoot, Droptheremote was just in Austin this week - but I wasn't. I'll have to keep an eye out for when he comes back.

What did he charge to calibrate the 5030 if I may ask?

When my room is finished I am seriously considering having my 5030 calibrated as well. The hunt is on for someone qualifiedin the MD/DC/VA area!
post #1225 of 2923
What's it run roughly to have someone to come out and calibrate? I know everyone is differnent. Just looking for a ball park. Thanks.
post #1226 of 2923
Anyone buy or sell one of these (or a 6020 or 5020 for that matter)? I was looking at possibly buying a used 6020 but upon looking at Epson's warranty policy it states that the warranty is not transferable. Is there a way around this?
post #1227 of 2923
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Originally Posted by willymo View Post

The fan noise is NO PROBLEM! My HT speaekers drown it out and even in silence....not a big deal at all! The PJ is about 1.5 feet above my seating position, recessed in a specialy built inside wall shelf.... Somebody wrote that is sounded like a hair dryer in 3d....not the case...AWESOME PJ that looks better than my panasonic 60 inch plasma. Great job EPSON!
  1. Fan noise, and noise in general, is very subjective. For example, some parents can be around noisy kids all day and never notice (but their houseguests do).
  2. Hearing is different for different people. Just as some people have sharp vision, others have greater sensitivity to sound levels. Also, sensitivity to high and medium-high pitched sound decreases greatly with age.There are not many middle aged folks using mosquito ring tones, for example.
  3. More than one person has commented on the "hair dryer" nature of the 3D mode fan, so it's not just me smile.gif

TO ME the 6030 on high fan mode is super loud from several feet away. It may not be super loud, subjectively, for everyone.

That said, the Epson 5030/6030 is an AWESOME projector, it has excellent picture quality, contrast, etc. I just wish it was as quiet as my old JVC projector. Or my old Runco. Or my old hair dryer. smile.gif
post #1228 of 2923
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Originally Posted by Justin Morgan View Post

  1. Fan noise, and noise in general, is very subjective. For example, some parents can be around noisy kids all day and never notice (but their houseguests do).
  2. Hearing is different for different people. Just as some people have sharp vision, others have greater sensitivity to sound levels. Also, sensitivity to high and medium-high pitched sound decreases greatly with age.There are not many middle aged folks using mosquito ring tones, for example.
  3. More than one person has commented on the "hair dryer" nature of the 3D mode fan, so it's not just me smile.gif

TO ME the 6030 on high fan mode is super loud from several feet away. It may not be super loud, subjectively, for everyone.

That said, the Epson 5030/6030 is an AWESOME projector, it has excellent picture quality, contrast, etc. I just wish it was as quiet as my old JVC projector. Or my old Runco. Or my old hair dryer. smile.gif

Are these tones accurate? Jeez, I can hear all the way up to 19.8khz. eek.gif I didn't think that was even possible at my age. I think they must be fudging it somehow.
post #1229 of 2923
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Originally Posted by Justin Morgan View Post

  1. Fan noise, and noise in general, is very subjective. For example, some parents can be around noisy kids all day and never notice (but their houseguests do).
  2. Hearing is different for different people. Just as some people have sharp vision, others have greater sensitivity to sound levels. Also, sensitivity to high and medium-high pitched sound decreases greatly with age.There are not many middle aged folks using mosquito ring tones, for example.
  3. More than one person has commented on the "hair dryer" nature of the 3D mode fan, so it's not just me smile.gif

TO ME the 6030 on high fan mode is super loud from several feet away. It may not be super loud, subjectively, for everyone.

That said, the Epson 5030/6030 is an AWESOME projector, it has excellent picture quality, contrast, etc. I just wish it was as quiet as my old JVC projector. Or my old Runco. Or my old hair dryer. smile.gif

Absolutely correct...it is subjective. However, comparing the noise to a hair dryer, to me, is a bit much (my .02). It sounds like a muted pc fan to me and it didn't bother me at all. Now will it get worse as the projector ages, only time will tell. As far as the age thing, what did you say?....LOL:p
post #1230 of 2923
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Originally Posted by nickoakdl View Post

Anyone buy or sell one of these (or a 6020 or 5020 for that matter)? I was looking at possibly buying a used 6020 but upon looking at Epson's warranty policy it states that the warranty is not transferable. Is there a way around this?

I'm running adds for my new in box 6020 $2900 if you're interested.

My guess is that the warranty is not valid upon transfer because the unit is registered with a name from the dealer or something like that. But I don't know.
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