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post #1231 of 2974
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Originally Posted by snyderkv View Post

I'm running adds for my new in box 6020 $2900 if you're interested.

My guess is that the warranty is not valid upon transfer because the unit is registered with a name from the dealer or something like that. But I don't know.

It would be worth a thought if the warranty transferred but these projectors are far too fragile to not have a warranty.
post #1232 of 2974
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Originally Posted by nickoakdl View Post

It would be worth a thought if the warranty transferred but these projectors are far too fragile to not have a warranty.

That's why it's $2900 and not $3800. It's discounted because of the risk associated with no warranty. But that's the reason why I prefer local sales so one can try it before buying.
post #1233 of 2974
Hey all ok so today I got my 5030ub up and running. I have it running in THX mode. My throw distance is close to 15ft. I purchased a Carada BW 110" screen. I am very pleased with the over all picture. If anyone has some suggestions with setting or calibration it would be greatly appreciated. Also anyone with questions please feel free to ask.
post #1234 of 2974
Just noticed your post so not sure if you have purchased your screen yet. I am on my second day with a Carada BW and so far loving it. I have not noticed any hot spots at all. I am in a controlled light environment sitting 15.5 feet away with a throw distance of close to 15 feet on a 110 inch BW screen. Again very happy with the picture and I am coming from a 42"Pioneer Kuro and a 65" Panasonic ZT that is in our bedroom.
post #1235 of 2974
Can someone who's had their 5030 professionally calibrated make specific comments on the end result?

Are the black levels much better?

Is the picture sharper/cleaner than before?

Do the colors appear more accurate and "pop"?

I will have mine calibrated next month and am curious as to how much better can it get.

Thanks!
post #1236 of 2974
if you run in Natural mode, low lamp, it's about as accurate as you get without a calibration. High lamp is definitely off with a heavy red / blue push. You would notice much better color in high lamp after a good greyscale calibration. Same thing in 3D in high lamp, it needs to be calibrated.

the calibration will not affect the sharpness. It could affect the black levels if your brightness isn't set correctly, but that shouldn't be an issue with most setups.
post #1237 of 2974
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Originally Posted by willymo View Post

Absolutely correct...it is subjective. However, comparing the noise to a hair dryer, to me, is a bit much (my .02)

Agreed, you're right I probably did over exaggerate, in fairness the 6030 in 3d mode is not quite as loud as a typical hair dryer. However, watching Lion King 3D last night with my son, the fan noise was definitely quite distracting during the quiet scenes. To the point it broke my concentration on the film a few times.

In other news, did I mention I'm building a DIY hush box now? smile.gif
post #1238 of 2974
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Originally Posted by willymo View Post

Can someone who's had their 5030 professionally calibrated make specific comments on the end result?

Are the black levels much better?

Is the picture sharper/cleaner than before?

Do the colors appear more accurate and "pop"?

I will have mine calibrated next month and am curious as to how much better can it get.

Thanks!

I'd like to know about the black level difference as well. I just got the 5020 and was a little disappointed that blacks look greyish no matter what mode I was in, THX, Natural etc. I had Iris speed set to the highest setting but only made a barely noticeable difference. Can I calibrate it to make the blacks blacker?
post #1239 of 2974
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Originally Posted by zombie10k View Post

if you run in Natural mode, low lamp, it's about as accurate as you get without a calibration. High lamp is definitely off with a heavy red / blue push. You would notice much better color in high lamp after a good greyscale calibration. Same thing in 3D in high lamp, it needs to be calibrated.

the calibration will not affect the sharpness. It could affect the black levels if your brightness isn't set correctly, but that shouldn't be an issue with most setups.

Is this something that you had measured, or just eye-balling? I don't have any calibration equipment and when looking at my HTPC desktop or windows, Natural looks very oversaturated, while THX looks much more monitor-like.
post #1240 of 2974
OK guys, about to pull the trigger on a 5030 and screen...first for both!
I got some great price quotes using the projector central "Request a Quote" feature!


I can't really find any high gain screens that are affordable (say ~$1000 or less). So, I was going to pick up a VAPEX 106" tab-tensioned screen. Fixed screen is not an option.
The reasons are:

* wireless trigger
* black case
* small case
* price

The gain is only 1.1.

I am planning on ceiling mounting at a level roughly equal to the height of the top of the view-able area on the 106" screen.
The PJ will be mounted either at 11' or at 15' away depending on whether I mount above the coffee table (directly in front of the seating area) or above the seating area. I want to keep it out of the way of heads.

Here is the question:

Am I going to have enough brightness? Shelf mounting is not an option and I really can't lower the PJ any further.



I strongly considered the Da-Lite Cosmo High Power 2.4 Screen but was told that since the PJ is not shelf mounted (and on the same plane with the screen) that the HP screen would not be effective.mad.gif
Plus, the case is so large and you have to pay for everything ala-carte, ala trigger, adjustable mounting brackets, black case, etc. etc....and I was afraid of future waves.
Edited by jpmst3 - 11/20/13 at 9:29am
post #1241 of 2974
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Originally Posted by jpmst3 View Post


I strongly considered the Da-Lite Cosmo High Power 2.4 Screen but was told that since the PJ is not shelf mounted (and on the same plane with the screen) that the HP screen would not be effective.mad.gif
Plus, the case is so large and you have to pay for everything ala-carte, ala trigger, adjustable mounting brackets, black case, etc. etc....and I was afraid of future waves.

I'm using a Da-Lite Designer Contour Electrol w/ IR integrated, matte white. I've had it for over 2 years. It isn't 100% flat (the very edges curl a few degrees) but there are no waves in the screen and it looks excellent.
post #1242 of 2974
I am frustrated with the motion detection and frame interpolation with the PJ with an HDTV signal. Blu-Rays are great. For TV, my 6 year old Sanyo Z2000 PJ has smoother motion. Has anyone found ideal settings for a TV signal? My provider is DISH, using a Hopper.
post #1243 of 2974
Now that you mention, I'm noticing a tad of the soap opera effect on blu rays that I don't recall noticing before. Almost as if my frame interpolation doesn't fully go off. I like some of the effect on animation for sure but not regular movies. Otherwise after adjusting the gamma and dialing some things in the pic is great, blacks, flesh tones, detail, I like it all.
post #1244 of 2974
Just installed my new 5030 (9200) on a new peerless and had a very quick run. Image so far is great. 3D-mode is really loud though. I am usually not very sensitive to fans running somewhre where other people are already going nuts but this noise is definitely a little annoying. I guess I'll get used to it.

I also have an LPE-Filter. Is it just simply put on the front or is there a trick? If I have to just push it on top of the lense I am never going to use it, because there is no way that the brushed metal ring will not scratch the Epson's plastic. The metal ring has a small scratch from the factory too. Probably noone would see it but I would constantly stare at it. Another point against the filter.
Edited by KUV1977 - 11/20/13 at 12:53pm
post #1245 of 2974
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Originally Posted by KUV1977 View Post

Just installed my new 5030 (9200) on a new peerless and had a very quick run. Image so far is great. 3D-mode is really loud though. I am usually not very sensitive to fans running somewhre where other people are already going nuts but this noise is definitely a little annoying. I guess I'll get used to it.

That is one of my fears with the 5030. If I go this route, it will be roughly 4ft from my head either in front of or behind me.
Edited by jpmst3 - 11/20/13 at 1:39pm
post #1246 of 2974
Mine is at about 3ft. I'll watch a movie tonight and hope I'll get used to it after a few minutes.
post #1247 of 2974
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Originally Posted by jpmst3 View Post

That is one of my fears with the 5030. If I go this route, it will be roughly 4ft from my head either in front of or behind me.

Mine is about 5 feet directly above my head and you will definitely hear it. And not in the, well some are more sensitive to the noise than others sense, I mean you will not fail to hear it no matter how good or bad your ears are. Whether it bothers you or not is a different story.

I compensate by cranking the volume a bit - most 3D movies (at least the ones I watch) are loud spectacles anyway.
post #1248 of 2974
Hello, I am considering going from the 3010, which I have been very happy with, to a 5030 but not sure if I'll see much of a difference. I'm using an Elite 120" Sable fixed 1.1 screen (I went cheap with screen). I'd like to hear from the expertsoor anyone who may have upgraded. Thanks!
post #1249 of 2974

Well, this discussion over the fan volume of this projector has me curious.  I'll be interested to hear for myself what's what when my 5030 comes in.  Epson claims 32dB max fan noise for this model.  A quick Google search brings up many comparison charts like this... notice the hair dryer at 100db.  :p

 

 

post #1250 of 2974
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Originally Posted by Yeedalin View Post

Well, this discussion over the fan volume of this projector has me curious.  I'll be interested to hear for myself what's what when my 5030 comes in.  Epson claims 32dB max fan noise for this model.  A quick Google search brings up many comparison charts like this... notice the hair dryer at 100db.  tongue.gif




Notice 30 is a whisper?
post #1251 of 2974
Hairdryer is obviously ridiculus. I would bet good money that it is way more than 32db though. It is really annoying. It is clearly audible even in normal sounded scenes in a movie, not just the ultra-quiet ones. When there is an action scene you stop hearing it but when the action fades out the fan says hello again. Really not sure what to do about that... in 2D it is really nicely quiet.

I just watched a variety of scenes in 3D and am very impressed with the image. I am pretty sensitive to cross-talk but you really need to look for it in all the material I tried and even then it is minimal.

I also tried gaming a few rounds and thought the input lag was ok. I need more time obviously but it appears fine. Will see what happens in Shadow-Fall-MP next weekend.

Next to the fan there is one more thing that is absolutely driving me nuts. When I switch from HDMI1 to HDMI2 the projector seems to completely freeze. The first time I thought it really went dead. You can't do anything anymore. Not even turn it off on the unit itself. After about a minute(!) it finally switched the source and was operational again. When I tried again later I gave up after about two minutes and went to the PC to browse a bit. Some time later... several minutes I guess... it finally switched. Does anyone else have this problem? Is there anything I can do to fix this?

Also there is quite a bit of light leaking from the air-opening. Doesn't really bother me but seems rather odd for a device in this price range.

I kind of wish I had had the opportunity to check out the SONY HW55. But I also don't really want to switch.... still I am having a hard time seeing myself enjoying 3D movies much.
Edited by KUV1977 - 11/20/13 at 6:19pm
post #1252 of 2974
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Originally Posted by jpmst3 View Post

That is one of my fears with the 5030. If I go this route, it will be roughly 4ft from my head either in front of or behind me.

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Originally Posted by KUV1977 View Post

Mine is at about 3ft. I'll watch a movie tonight and hope I'll get used to it after a few minutes.

While I hear the noise. It is like anything else in your house that makes noise. Grandfather clock, Wife yelling to lower the volume, etc. You just learn to tune it out. Only time I really notice the sound is if I am actively listening for it! I am about 4 feet away
post #1253 of 2974
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Originally Posted by nickoakdl View Post

Notice 30 is a whisper?

Guys, I am not saying it is annoying, but I have bad hearing (75% loss in my left ear) and if it's over your head you'll hear it, 32db or not. Hell 32db might be it in *eco* mode because there's no way that sound in full-blast 3d mode is a "whisper" smile.gif
post #1254 of 2974
Let me end this debate right now. I have a sound meter in my android based phone and this is the reading in 3D mode: 67 dB. Note that is the volume when the mic is right in front of the front vent, which is where the loudest fan noise comes from.

From where I was seated it was around 50dB-52dB depending on the seat
post #1255 of 2974
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Originally Posted by nydennis View Post


While I hear the noise. It is like anything else in your house that makes noise. Grandfather clock, Wife yelling to lower the volume, etc. You just learn to tune it out. Only time I really notice the sound is if I am actively listening for it! I am about 4 feet away

Well if the clock would make this noise constantly I would throw it out of the window. With a wife that would yell for 120 minutes straigth I fear I would not be able to enjoy a movie as well.

The 50db sounds about right. I have no other device in my apartment that makes a permanent sound of this loudness. I think that in the afternoon and early evening I could crank up the movie-sound so that the fan would be ok, but I mainly watch movies at night and my neighbors sure wouldn't be happy about the volume I would need to set. I will watch this over a few days but I have a fan in my PC that is hardly a third of the loudness (wild guess) and even after years I still hear it all the time.
post #1256 of 2974

That's disappointing that it's really that loud in high lamp mode.  I guess it doesn't affect my choice of projector but could influence how many 3D movies I'd watch.  Oh well.  3D is not my main concern... more of a novelty as of yet.  It sounds like one would rather replace the lamp earlier than to switch to high lamp mode to maintain brightness with an aged lamp.  The hush box could be a good idea as well.

post #1257 of 2974
Mine must be broken, in high lamp mode everyone I have asked can only hear it when there is no volume.
post #1258 of 2974
I just read your Home Theater Thread and if people think your projector is barely audible in high lamp mode in Star Trek Second Chapter then you are really lucky, because even though there is faded music the fan is so loud that it is clearly stronger than the music. It really drowns out low key sound effects too.

I wouldn't know how to build a hushbox for this projector in my circumstances. I also bough a peerless mount which runs 150€ here. Kind of wasted money if I go hushbox. Plus I really tend to consider them rather ugly in a living room situation.
post #1259 of 2974
Wow, that is really concerning. That is indeed quite loud. eek.gif
post #1260 of 2974
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Originally Posted by willymo View Post

Can someone who's had their 5030 professionally calibrated make specific comments on the end result?

Are the black levels much better?

Is the picture sharper/cleaner than before?

Do the colors appear more accurate and "pop"?

I will have mine calibrated next month and am curious as to how much better can it get.

Thanks!

I didn't have my 5010 professionally calibrated, but bought the equipment and taught myself. To me, the biggest visual gain from a calibration isn't really color accuracy on the Epson, because it is pretty good on its own. Getting the gray scale and particularly the gamma dialed in seems to have much more impact (of course getting the black level set well is also very important, but this is relatively easy with a calibration disk).

I usually "touch up" the gray scale and gamma, and check the black level every couple hundred hours on the lamp and around 500 hours increments check the colors.

I'm approaching 60 years of age so my older eyes may be part of this.
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