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post #151 of 2935
Looking forward to seeing the first reviews
post #152 of 2935
Subscribed!

Having returned a W1070 because I saw rainbows and an Espon 2030 because the picture was just lacking punch, Im now in the market for either a 5030 or Panny 8000. I figure the Panny has been out for a year already and with no 9000 announcement after CEDIA, that the 5030 is going to be the latest tech'd LCD projector on the market in my price range.

I'd like to skip the whole buy, try, return if necessary thing again. Is there anywhere in the DC Metro area where I can see the 5030 (once it starts shipping) vs. the 8000. I do remember RitzAV being out near Beltsville, MD but am not sure if they would have these models available for viewing. Either way, having experienced the 2030 already.. I"m very excited to see what the 5030 will offer for 2.5x the price smile.gif
post #153 of 2935
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Think I recall reading that 2 of the models have a game mode - not this one, but like 7200 & 3030 (or was it 2030)? Was someplace here on AVS...

Yeah, that sux. Every PJ should have a 'Game Mode'. It can't be that difficult to implement and hurts your sales due to limiting your target audience.
post #154 of 2935

I had my heart set on jumping into the Home Theatre Projector game by getting the Epson 5020, only to find out it was discontinued at the local store last week. Then found out it's because the 5030 is coming out. Was all ready to jump on that one, till I came across this thread, and saw the questions about the lack of a gaming  mode. It's looking like the 5020 was giving on average 60 - 80 ms input lag, so unless they addressed that with the 5030 model, it may be a major issue with me, as I was hoping to use it for online gaming. So bummed out.

Still interested in seeing the reviews of the new model though.

post #155 of 2935
Got it!!!!!! Looks like the first thing I need to check is whether or not there's a game mode.





post #156 of 2935
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Got it!!!!!! Looks like the first thing I need to check is whether or not there's a game mode.


For the love of gaming! Please do tell if there's a 'Game Mode' already, LOL! eek.gif

I think that will be a major determining factor between purchasing this pj or the Sony HW55 for a lot of us.
post #157 of 2935
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Originally Posted by JewDaddy View Post

Got it!!!!!! Looks like the first thing I need to check is whether or not there's a game mode.


For the love of gaming! Please do tell if there's a 'Game Mode' already, LOL! eek.gif

I think that will be a major determining factor between purchasing this pj or the Sony HW55 for a lot of us.

Sadly, no game mode. The only new picture mode available is B&W Cinema. You still have the option under advanced signal settings to change the processing from fine to fast.
post #158 of 2935
"fast" processing may be faster than last year (there was a rumour somewhere they might have reduced the latency by one frame time).

Can you also please check if the LCD Alignment feature is still there (in the extended menu I think).

And does it still insist on using high fan mode for 3D (seems like it would be better to let people decide if they prefer a dimmer image with less fan noise).
post #159 of 2935
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Sadly, no game mode. The only new picture mode available is B&W Cinema. You still have the option under advanced signal settings to change the processing from fine to fast.

Well dang. I guess I'll just have to wait for reviews to see if the 'Fast Processing' mode has been improved to get latency <40ms.

Other than that, let us know how the overall PQ is after you've ran it through the paces.
post #160 of 2935

Ordered mine today - schedule to arrive on Friday:)

post #161 of 2935
So with out the game mode will this projector not do well for gaming? I've not really looked into the whole gaming aspect yet as I do not own a projector but will hopefully sometime next year. And gaming through PC and a console was something I could see doing with it. I will stay tuned for more reviews.
post #162 of 2935
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Well dang. I guess I'll just have to wait for reviews to see if the 'Fast Processing' mode has been improved to get latency <40ms.

We have a 5030 arriving this week, I'll run the lag tests first so folks can get an idea if this mode helps.
post #163 of 2935

^^^

Thank you very much for this. I'm leaning towards a Panasonic 8000 now after hearing the bad lag of the 5020. Hope the 5030 is significantly better, but not expecting it to be :( 

post #164 of 2935
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So with out the game mode will this projector not do well for gaming? I've not really looked into the whole gaming aspect yet as I do not own a projector but will hopefully sometime next year. And gaming through PC and a console was something I could see doing with it. I will stay tuned for more reviews.

Unless you play fast-twitch games like first-person-shooters you should be fine. Only on online competitive multi-player games will you really notice the lag. Those extra milliseconds could mean the difference between you killing the enemy, or being killed yourself.
post #165 of 2935
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We have a 5030 arriving this week, I'll run the lag tests first so folks can get an idea if this mode helps.

Thanks Zombie. As always, your input and time involved with the in-depth reviews is much appreciated. I can only hope to be able to return the favor one day.
post #166 of 2935
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Unless you play fast-twitch games like first-person-shooters you should be fine. Only on online competitive multi-player games will you really notice the lag. Those extra milliseconds could mean the difference between you killing the enemy, or being killed yourself.

Well I'll have to wait and see. I was kind of looking forward to playing some Battlefield 4 on the 120 inch screen smile.gif

I will stay tuned!
post #167 of 2935
Hey guys. Sorry I haven't posted my first impressions earlier. Been a busier day working from home than I anticipated. Anyways, I absolutely love this projector!! But there's no surprise there because I loved the 5020 and this is nearly identical to my viewing thus far. I honestly can't say whether or not I'm noticing much difference between this and the 5020. My only real gripe with the 5020 was no Frame Interpolation in 3D. That has been addressed.... To a certain extent. Anything being output in 1080p allows you to not only turn frame interpolation on, but also super resolution. This makes blu-ray 3d movies look freaking amazing! IMO, this is the best 3D experience yet. Super bright, RF makes 3D much more enjoyable than DLP Link or even IR. Black levels and shadow detail are brilliant. Motion and Sharpness are DLP worthy. I feel like I'm finally getting the best of both worlds in 3D with none of the side effects. I have the glasses setting on high and tested some crosstalk heavy scenes and found almost 99% of it to be crosstalk free. It really is amazing. Also, Frame Interpolation and Super Resolution are not available in 720p 3D. Which kind of blows because most 3D games are 720p right now. Hopefully the new consoles will change that.

I know most of you could care less for 3D and would much rather hear more about the 2D picture. All I can say is if you liked or disliked the 2D picture of the 5020 before, I don't think this will change your mind either way. I loved the 2D picture the 5020 put out and this is just as good, maybe a bit better. But without having the equipment to calibrate and run proper tests, I can't say one way or another.

Lag time for games seems the same in my eyes but again, I don't have a way to properly test that. I'm sure Zombie will do a great job for everyone. Which btw, I've been through a lot of projectors and Zombie told me from the get go that with my viewing preferences, I would prefer the 5020 the most. I should have saved myself a lot of time and frustration but I'm glad I saw them all for myself. Plus, I have a 5030 now which is a huge plus :-)

Ask away guys. I'll be happy to answer questions. Btw, someone asked about the LCD Panel Alignment. It's still here and I used that pattern to help adjust the projector to fit my screen.

Noise is just as loud as the 5020. No changes there. However, I've noticed the auto iris to be much more enjoyable this time around. Even in 3D. And my eyes perceive the sharpness to be more crisp on this unit as well.
post #168 of 2935
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Well I'll have to wait and see. I was kind of looking forward to playing some Battlefield 4 on the 120 inch screen smile.gif

I will stay tuned!

I plan on testing the BF4 Beta for PC on this projector tonight. I'll let u know if it seems faster than the 5020. So far with gaming, I haven't noticed a difference but I've yet to play a FPS.
post #169 of 2935
Guys, I just played some BF4 with image processing on fine and on fast. I've got good news and bad news. Fast processing lag seems much improved from the 5020. It was a very noticeable difference right off the bat. However, the picture quality seems to degrade somewhat. I can't really explain what it does other than almost like a drop in resolution. I checked the signal and it shows 1080p. I don't remember this happening on the 5020, or did it???

Anyways, not sure faster response times is worth that kind of trade off. I'll do more testing. Maybe its a firmware glitch of some kind that needs to be addressed. Smart thing with no frame interpolation or super resolution in 3D at 720p
post #170 of 2935
JD - Any chance you can get a video of what you are seeing? I would imagine there might be more artifacts displayed with the faster motion but not a huge degredation in picture quality. Did you try multiple games to see if the image reduction is consistent?
post #171 of 2935
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JD - Any chance you can get a video of what you are seeing? I would imagine there might be more artifacts displayed with the faster motion but not a huge degredation in picture quality. Did you try multiple games to see if the image reduction is consistent?

Sure thing. I'll get a video and some pics. I've tried it with movies, games and even just a webpage on my PC and it's immediately noticeable. Bout to eat dinner with the wifey and watch a show and then I'll head back down to the mancave.
post #172 of 2935
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Sure thing. I'll get a video and some pics. I've tried it with movies, games and even just a webpage on my PC and it's immediately noticeable. Bout to eat dinner with the wifey and watch a show and then I'll head back down to the mancave.

That is unfortunate, looks like the HW50/55 and BenQ 1070/1080 still might be the best bet this year for gaming once again.
post #173 of 2935

@JD - so summary of what you've initially seen is that by turning on the Fast Processing the image quality goes in the toilet?

post #174 of 2935
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@JD - so summary of what you've initially seen is that by turning on the Fast Processing the image quality goes in the toilet?

Well, I wouldn't say it goes in the toilet. But I will say that the trade off for better response time vs pic quality isn't worth it for me. Uploading video to YouTube now. Will post in a few min
post #175 of 2935
Here's a link to a video I uploaded onto YouTube showing the effect Fast Processing has on the picture. Unfortunately it doesn't come over very well on my camera so the best representation is to show you text. You'll notice that it becomes more jagged around the edges and less crisp. Movies and games look even worse.

http://youtu.be/nvtq1DOogBg
Edited by JewDaddy - 10/8/13 at 7:16pm
post #176 of 2935
On my 6010 there is a setting named 'Motion Detection', is this the same setting that is "Fast Processing" on the 5030/6030?
post #177 of 2935

@JD - thanks for that. I believe I can see what you mean...Makes sense given the settings own names.

post #178 of 2935
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Originally Posted by JewDaddy View Post

Here's a link to a video I uploaded onto YouTube showing the effect Fast Processing has on the picture. Unfortunately it doesn't come over very well on my camera so the best representation is to show you text. You'll notice that it becomes more jagged around the edges and less crisp. Movies and games look even worse.

http://youtu.be/nvtq1DOogBg

Well that doesn't look very good...I can clearly see the difference on my laptop monitor...I can only imagine how much of a difference it is in person. Oh well, I'll wait for the reviews of the Epson 5030/6030 and the Sony HW55ES...still a toss-up for me at the moment. Thanks for the vid!
post #179 of 2935
I'll try and find a movie or game that really shows it off on camera. I'm just not sure if that should happen. Maybe there's some extra processing going on behind the scenes we don't know about that shuts off with fast processing. I don't remember if that happened with the 5020 though.
post #180 of 2935
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Originally Posted by Mr. Hatcher View Post

Well that doesn't look very good...I can clearly see the difference on my laptop monitor...I can only imagine how much of a difference it is in person. Oh well, I'll wait for the reviews of the Epson 5030/6030 and the Sony HW55ES...still a toss-up for me at the moment. Thanks for the vid!

No prob. I would say for any hardcore gamer that plans on playing competitively, this probably isn't the projector for you. Now someone such as myself who doesn't play online a lot, the gaming is more than sufficient, mainly due to the beautiful picture this puts out. But if response time is a huge dealbreaker for someone, I don't know that I would recommend this one.
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