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post #301 of 2957
Zombie, do you think the Darbee with the 5030 would level the playing in terms of sharpness?
post #302 of 2957
Zombie, have you try the Super Resolution in 3D? I think on the 5030 it is available. Maybe that can help for "shaprness look"
post #303 of 2957
I plan on looking at this closer and will let you know. For some reason I'm more sensitive to the 'artificial' sharpening processes (RC/Darbee/Super Resolution) in 3D vs. 2D. I think the stereoscopic view in 3D can make it stand out more, not necessarily in a good way. A good example is RC on the HW50 in 3D, I find myself turning it down to minimum and even then can see the exaggerated grain in many non-animated 3D movies.

I was one of the few reviewers last year that paid much attention to Super Resolution, I think it went widely overlooked since it wasn't as 'in your face' as the RC when turning it on/off. From the experience with the 5020, I think it's a nice subtle way of sharpening the image without introducing the artifacts of RC. I'll definitely spend more time looking at it on the 5030.
post #304 of 2957
For those looking for decent, out of the box settings, set the color profile to 'standard', color temp to D65 and leave the gamma at the default setting.

regarding grayscale, it's off just like most other projectors that haven't been calibrated. There is a big difference between Normal and ECO, you will definitely need 2 calibrations to accommodate changing lamp modes. Red drops significantly in ECO mode.

The good news is, once the grayscale is corrected, it tracks well with low dE's.

Gamma could use a little help, but overall this is fine for most content. Epson does not make it easy to adjust the gamma, this didn't change with the 5030. It can be done, it just takes patience.

Epson-5030-4.jpg



Color Gamut - eek.gif This is a little surprising to see how close the 'natural' setting is to R709. More important, saturation tracks very well as you can see in the graph below. This is great out of the box performance. The mini 3D 125 pt auto-cal would nail a perfect calibration considering how close it is.

Epson-5030-7.jpg

ironically, neither THX or Cinema mode are correct if your looking for R709. Cinema mode saturation is wayyyyy overcooked.

With this natural mode calibration with Normal lamp, the lumen output is ~700. If you want an accurate image, you pay in lumen output.

Don't get scared off by this - for ambient light viewing, the torch mode can be calibrated to 'near D65' (decent from 40-100 IRE, suffers @ 30 and under) and puts out some serious light (i'll provide this info later). if you have a lumagen, you can maximum your lumen output even further and still get good color accuracy. Some folks were using the pink tinted LFE filter but found similar results using the fine tuning of the mini 3D.

Now JC did say to burn in the projector, so I might have to watch some movies tonight and quite fiddling with calibration gear. cool.gif
post #305 of 2957
Odd question but isn't the 5030UB the same as the 8200 not the 9200? So what I am asking is the thread title incorrect or have I just lost my mind (which is entirely plausible)?

My understanding though was the 5030Ub was the same as the 8200 and the 6030UB was the same as the 9200. But then again isn't the only difference the warranty, color of the case, a spare bulb and 3d glasses.



I really wish they could have the same model name worldwide though as all having different names for the same projector does nothing but cause confusion.
Edited by FilmReverie - 10/12/13 at 10:58pm
post #306 of 2957
Can any former 5010/6010/5020/6020 owners who just bought the 5030/6030 comment on how significant a difference Frame Interpolation in 3D looks comparing how same title looked on their older Epson without it?
post #307 of 2957
When you turn off the FI on the 5030, it looks exactly like the 5020. it's a little choppy. some people pick up on this, others won't have any idea what we're talking about.. smile.gif

The FI in 3D is the stand out feature. I was calling for this since the 5010 and we finally have it now.

it's definitely easier on the eyes imo. I like that there is a 'low' mode, so it's just enough to take the edge off, but not look over processed.
post #308 of 2957
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Originally Posted by zombie10k View Post

When you turn off the FI on the 5030, it looks exactly like the 5020. it's a little choppy. some people pick up on this, others won't have any idea what we're talking about.. smile.gif

The FI in 3D is the stand out feature. I was calling for this since the 5010 and we finally have it now.

it's definitely easier on the eyes imo. I like that there is a 'low' mode, so it's just enough to take the edge off, but not look over processed.

Zombie how did you feel about the FI on the HW50? Personally, I can't stand it, so is it similar on the 5030? I tried FI on the HW50 with 3D, and while it does eliminate some weirdness in motion, it just introduces other weirdness. I feel like 24p is just the wrong frame-rate for movies at times, but I'm not sure exactly what it should be. Maybe 28? 32? Not sure. biggrin.gif
post #309 of 2957
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Originally Posted by zombie10k View Post

Now JC did say to burn in the projector, so I might have to watch some movies tonight and quite fiddling with calibration gear. cool.gif

 Hi zombie10k, could you elaborate on what changes may occur during "burn in"? Thanks as always...

 

 

:)

post #310 of 2957
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Originally Posted by WilliamG View Post

Zombie how did you feel about the FI on the HW50? Personally, I can't stand it, so is it similar on the 5030? I tried FI on the HW50 with 3D, and while it does eliminate some weirdness in motion, it just introduces other weirdness. I feel like 24p is just the wrong frame-rate for movies at times, but I'm not sure exactly what it should be. Maybe 28? 32? Not sure. biggrin.gif

I thought the FI in 3D on the HW50 looked more aggressive than the HW30 but didn't have them side by side to compare. I agree it can be too much on the Sony in 3D.

The 5030 looks about 1-2 'clicks' less aggressive and is a bit more natural. all FI has some kind of artifacts, but this is pretty good imo.

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Hi zombie10k, could you elaborate on what changes may occur during "burn in"? Thanks as always...

smile.gif

When lamps are brand new, they have about much 'red' as they are going to get. This is the first color to go as a UHP lamp ages. This affects grayscale. (think skin tones). Some lamps perform well over the first few hundred hours, the Sharp 30K has been very consistent as it's lamp ages.

I'm curious to see how the Epson lamp behaves as I put on the first 20-30 hours which is why I ran a 'zero hour' calibration to get a baseline.
post #311 of 2957
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Originally Posted by zombie10k View Post

I thought the FI in 3D on the HW50 looked more aggressive than the HW30 but didn't have them side by side to compare. I agree it can be too much on the Sony in 3D.

The 5030 looks about 1-2 'clicks' less aggressive and is a bit more natural. all FI has some kind of artifacts, but this is pretty good imo..

Cheers. The only occasion I like FI is watching nature documentaries. Planet Earth with FI is just... breathtaking with it on.
post #312 of 2957
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Originally Posted by RickAVManiac View Post

Zombie, have you try the Super Resolution in 3D? I think on the 5030 it is available. Maybe that can help for "shaprness look"

I went through a number of the settings and decided on Super Resolution = 3 and the Sharpness set to 3 as well. This combo looks great on my 142". Not overcooked, just about right for my preferences. I also added the Darbee @ 30% as well.

After a 6 hour 3D marathon I can tell you guys the FI implementation is impressive. It's great that they included a 'low' setting. Put on the 3D movie 'Wreck it Ralph' and fast forward to the very end where the credits are rolling. They are using old school fonts from an arcade game and the mild (but noticeable) judder is typical as would be seen on any of the 3D projectors without FI turned on. When you turn it on 'low' it *just* adds enough to smooth out the credit roll but is hardly noticeably otherwise. Even normal looks a bit less aggressive than the HW50's lowest FI mode.

I have the projector farther back than normal from the 142" (~20 feet thanks to the Planar 8130 throw). In Cinema 3D mode (no color correction yet for the glasses, but skin tones in Journey to the Mysterious island look decent through the glasses). It's putting out over 1100 lumens in 3D mode. Remember the torch mode can be calibrated for even more lumens, so this remains as one of the brightest 3D projectors.

JC - I might have to keep this one and have AVS send you another. That's all I need is another projector.... cool.gifbiggrin.gif
post #313 of 2957
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Originally Posted by zombie10k View Post

I went through a number of the settings and decided on Super Resolution = 3 and the Sharpness set to 3 as well. This combo looks great on my 142". Not overcooked, just about right for my preferences. I also added the Darbee @ 30% as well.

After a 6 hour 3D marathon I can tell you guys the FI implementation is impressive. It's great that they included a 'low' setting. Put on the 3D movie 'Wreck it Ralph' and fast forward to the very end where the credits are rolling. They are using old school fonts from an arcade game and the mild (but noticeable) judder is typical as would be seen on any of the 3D projectors without FI turned on. When you turn it on 'low' it *just* adds enough to smooth out the credit roll but is hardly noticeably otherwise. Even normal looks a bit less aggressive than the HW50's lowest FI mode.

I have the projector farther back than normal from the 142" (~20 feet thanks to the Planar 8130 throw). In Cinema 3D mode (no color correction yet for the glasses, but skin tones in Journey to the Mysterious island look decent through the glasses). It's putting out over 1100 lumens in 3D mode. Remember the torch mode can be calibrated for even more lumens, so this remains as one of the brightest 3D projectors.

JC - I might have to keep this one and have AVS send you another. That's all I need is another projector.... cool.gifbiggrin.gif

Hello zombie how is the ghosting on this projector?

Best regards
post #314 of 2957
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Originally Posted by FilmReverie View Post

Odd question but isn't the 5030UB the same as the 8200 not the 9200? So what I am asking is the thread title incorrect or have I just lost my mind (which is entirely plausible)?

My understanding though was the 5030Ub was the same as the 8200 and the 6030UB was the same as the 9200. But then again isn't the only difference the warranty, color of the case, a spare bulb and 3d glasses.



I really wish they could have the same model name worldwide though as all having different names for the same projector does nothing but cause confusion.

Good question. I am in the UK and here the 5030 is called the 9200. I am not sure what the 6030 is - is that the model with the wireless HDMI connection?  If so, we call that the 9200W.

 

I agree with you - I can’t see the sense in having different model designators for different markets. It's not like anyone cares what the units are called.

post #315 of 2957
I went through a number of tough scenes, Sammy's adventure, Grand Canyon and the bridge scene in Monster vs. Aliens. Overall it did a great job and I had to really hunt around to find anything on a paused screen.

it's not impervious to x-talk on sub-titles against the black bars, but overall very very good for a non-DLP. The Epson RF glasses are lightweight and fit well over my prescription glasses. Obviously we have to wait and see if x-talk changes as the lamp ages, but for now it gets a high positive rating for 3D bluray playback.

Here's a few scenes from Oblivion and a hires image I use for checking skin tones.

Epson-5030-10.jpg

Epson-5030-11.jpg

These are in hires, 4:3 format.

Epson-5030-14.jpg


Epson-5030-15.jpg
post #316 of 2957
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Originally Posted by john2910 View Post

Hello zombie how is the ghosting on this projector?

Best regards

I'm curious about the same thing.

I know people say these are the best LCD projectors in terms of ghosting, but if I'm used to a DLP for 3D will I be happy with this? That is my biggest concern. I remember when "My Bloody Valentine 3D" came out and all the reviews ripped in for being riddled with ghosting. When I watched it on my DLP it looked awesome.

Can the Epson 5030UB handle more challenging material, such as "My Bloody Valentine" or similarly tough material?
post #317 of 2957
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Originally Posted by zombie10k View Post

I went through a number of tough scenes, Sammy's adventure, Grand Canyon and the bridge scene in Monster vs. Aliens. Overall it did a great job and I had to really hunt around to find anything on a paused screen.

it's not impervious to x-talk on sub-titles against the black bars, but overall very very good for a non-DLP. The Epson RF glasses are lightweight and fit well over my prescription glasses. Obviously we have to wait and see if x-talk changes as the lamp ages, but for now it gets a high positive rating for 3D bluray playback.

Here's a few scenes from Oblivion and a hires image I use for checking skin tones.

Epson-5030-10.jpg

Epson-5030-11.jpg

These are in hires, 4:3 format.

Epson-5030-14.jpg


Epson-5030-15.jpg

I guessed you answered my question as I was typing it.

Are those images shot on your 142" HighPower screen?
post #318 of 2957
Yes. They are just screenshots but it also looks great in person.

I'll get a copy of mbv. What other 3D movies do you want me to check, I have a large 3D collection.
post #319 of 2957
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Originally Posted by zombie10k View Post

Yes. They are just screenshots but it also looks great in person.

I'll get a copy of mbv. What other 3D movies do you want me to check, I have a large 3D collection.

Awesome, thanks! That's the only one that really comes to mind. If a 3D set can handle that, they can handle just about anything else.
post #320 of 2957
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Originally Posted by zombie10k View Post

Yes. They are just screenshots but it also looks great in person.

I'll get a copy of mbv. What other 3D movies do you want me to check, I have a large 3D collection.

Hello could you please check puss in boots 3d thats a heavy ghoster too..

Best regards...
post #321 of 2957
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Originally Posted by RickAVManiac View Post

Zombie, have you try the Super Resolution in 3D? I think on the 5030 it is available. Maybe that can help for "shaprness look"

I went through a number of the settings and decided on Super Resolution = 3 and the Sharpness set to 3 as well. This combo looks great on my 142". Not overcooked, just about right for my preferences. I also added the Darbee @ 30% as well.

After a 6 hour 3D marathon I can tell you guys the FI implementation is impressive. It's great that they included a 'low' setting. Put on the 3D movie 'Wreck it Ralph' and fast forward to the very end where the credits are rolling. They are using old school fonts from an arcade game and the mild (but noticeable) judder is typical as would be seen on any of the 3D projectors without FI turned on. When you turn it on 'low' it *just* adds enough to smooth out the credit roll but is hardly noticeably otherwise. Even normal looks a bit less aggressive than the HW50's lowest FI mode.

I have the projector farther back than normal from the 142" (~20 feet thanks to the Planar 8130 throw). In Cinema 3D mode (no color correction yet for the glasses, but skin tones in Journey to the Mysterious island look decent through the glasses). It's putting out over 1100 lumens in 3D mode. Remember the torch mode can be calibrated for even more lumens, so this remains as one of the brightest 3D projectors.

JC - I might have to keep this one and have AVS send you another. That's all I need is another projector.... cool.gifbiggrin.gif

Thanks for all that test. It's exacly what I want to know... And more smile.gif

Keep the good work.

Another point is Epson claim a better on/off this year. I supposed they do that by a more agressive iris? Do you feel the black are a bit better?
post #322 of 2957
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Originally Posted by RickAVManiac View Post

Zombie, have you try the Super Resolution in 3D? I think on the 5030 it is available. Maybe that can help for "shaprness look"

I went through a number of the settings and decided on Super Resolution = 3 and the Sharpness set to 3 as well. This combo looks great on my 142". Not overcooked, just about right for my preferences. I also added the Darbee @ 30% as well.

After a 6 hour 3D marathon I can tell you guys the FI implementation is impressive. It's great that they included a 'low' setting. Put on the 3D movie 'Wreck it Ralph' and fast forward to the very end where the credits are rolling. They are using old school fonts from an arcade game and the mild (but noticeable) judder is typical as would be seen on any of the 3D projectors without FI turned on. When you turn it on 'low' it *just* adds enough to smooth out the credit roll but is hardly noticeably otherwise. Even normal looks a bit less aggressive than the HW50's lowest FI mode.

I have the projector farther back than normal from the 142" (~20 feet thanks to the Planar 8130 throw). In Cinema 3D mode (no color correction yet for the glasses, but skin tones in Journey to the Mysterious island look decent through the glasses). It's putting out over 1100 lumens in 3D mode. Remember the torch mode can be calibrated for even more lumens, so this remains as one of the brightest 3D projectors.

JC - I might have to keep this one and have AVS send you another. That's all I need is another projector.... cool.gifbiggrin.gif


Keep up the good work.
 

+1

post #323 of 2957
Zombie,

Keep up the good work!
I want to know more about the default convergence in Epson 5030 model. 5020 was notorious for bad convergence even if manufactured in recent date.
post #324 of 2957
Jason, can you check out the credits at the end of The Great Gatsby for ghosting. The credits are shown within a framework of golden bars that constantly move -- high contrast of bright gold against a black background.

Also in the last Harry Potter movie near the beginning (1st or 2nd chapter) Harry is in a bedroom with the actor John Hurt and is examining different wands. In one scene (on my 6020) the pattern on the wall seems to hang out in front of the wall -- ghosting? It is solid on my DLP.

Thanks.
Edited by Deja Vu - 10/13/13 at 7:09pm
post #325 of 2957
looks like epson has a winner
post #326 of 2957
as always, awesome discussion.

i was an owner of an 8700ub and had to return in a few times when initially purchased so was a little hesitant on the 5030. well, so far so good -- it's been awesome out of the box. i added 4 pair of the panasonic glasses and have been impressed. this morning, though, i discovered some additional good news -- my LG BD player now supports vudu 3d streaming of 3d movies. i think it was a recent firmware update, so i think almost all of the LG players may be enabled. you will want to check.
post #327 of 2957
Good Afternoon, Zombie10k:
Excellent pictures qualities.
Can you tell me your screen specs?
Brand?
Model?
Gain?
I am newbie in HT World.
Thanks a lot.
Regards,
post #328 of 2957
Thanks to everyone posting their results. Can't wait to get my hand on one. I may have missed it- anyone post lag numbers?
post #329 of 2957
Man, I was dead set on getting a DLP but those screenshots make me warm and fuzzy in places that screenshots of Tom Cruise shouldn't do that.
post #330 of 2957
Jason, which 3D RF glasses do you recommend for the 5030, and why?
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