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post #751 of 2956
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Originally Posted by SWvdM View Post

After watching several dark and bright scenes with the iris off, normal and high, I have my suspicions as I could also not hear anything or detect any difference in contrast.  Maybe JewDaddy or Zombie can help us out on this one.
Would a scene on freeze frame with all black screen then turn iris on/off or also a scene in movie end credits with black background and white lettering turn turn iris on/off be a good test to figure out if it's working at all?
post #752 of 2956

Received my 5030 and had a dedicated electrical line run for it today.  Should get the mount and the Elite Sable screen built tomorrow.  I hope to post first impressions this weekend.

post #753 of 2956
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Originally Posted by WynsWrld98 View Post

Would a scene on freeze frame with all black screen then turn iris on/off or also a scene in movie end credits with black background and white lettering turn turn iris on/off be a good test to figure out if it's working at all?
I remember reading a review of the 5020 where during a 2:35 movie, where there are black horizontal bars above and below the projected screen. The reviewer had the dynamic iris off and then turned it on, and he could see the black bars get just a bit darker. Based on that information, it sounds like your method of a black screen would work. As I understand it, the dynamic iris doesn't do it's thing so much when there are mixed light and dark areas on the screen, but when the scene is very dark to begin with.
post #754 of 2956
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Originally Posted by gnolivos View Post

I've been reading through the thread trying to find any indication of INPUT LAG on this pj.... Last I found said 30ms tested by one person, and 60-70 tested by another (Zombie?)

Where did this net out please? Anyhting conclusive?

I re-ran the tests several times, I couldn't find anymore more than what I posted. I have another 5030 on the way, I'll try it again to verify. This is the same PC / CRT setup I measured 30 MS on the HW50.
post #755 of 2956
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Originally Posted by WynsWrld98 View Post


Would a scene on freeze frame with all black screen then turn iris on/off or also a scene in movie end credits with black background and white lettering turn turn iris on/off be a good test to figure out if it's working at all?

 

 

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Originally Posted by gpmbc View Post

Thx for your response SWvdM, glad I'm not the only one. Hopefully someone else can chime in.

 

 

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Originally Posted by gpmbc View Post

Any 5030 users, do you hear the iris at all in action? Do you see any visual effect, pumping or any change in picture. I've set mine off, normal, and high, and see no difference what so ever nor do I hear anything. I went to YouTube to see/hear the iris of 5020 in action and you can hear a grinding noise which is typical. I know the iris is supposed to be improved on the 5030 but completely silent?

 

I have now looked at several scenes, including credits roll (black/white), freeze frame and switched from bright to dark scenes, using Living Room, Dynamic, Natural and THX to test the Auto Iris in Off/Normal/High settings.  There is absolutely no sound from the projector indicating that it has engaged the auto iris.  There is also no difference in contrast or brightness that I can detect with the various scenes in iris modes Off/Normal/High.

 

Is there anybody that can help us determining whether the iris is, in fact, working, or not - using a specific test, or anybody familiar with the auto iris that can shed more light on this?

 

Much appreciated.

post #756 of 2956
The iris on my 5030 is much quieter than my 8500, can't say I heard it while watching a movie.
post #757 of 2956
I've seen some movement in the iris, but it's much more subtle than on the 6010. And my 6010 could be heard easily when it changed the iris. On the most aggressive setting, the 5030 doesn't shut down like the 6010 did. My projector is in another room after a remodel, so I can't compare noise levels directly.
post #758 of 2956
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Originally Posted by Joseph Clark View Post

I've seen some movement in the iris, but it's much more subtle than on the 6010. And my 6010 could be heard easily when it changed the iris. On the most aggressive setting, the 5030 doesn't shut down like the 6010 did. My projector is in another room after a remodel, so I can't compare noise levels directly.
Cool... it sounds like Epson has done a good job of addressing one of the typical cons of the 5010/20 projectors, the noise and sometimes obviousness of the dynamic iris!
post #759 of 2956
I've had my 5030UB for a few weeks now and I've had a number of HDMI sync issues.

  • I've had problems where the Epson 5030 wouldn't sync picture at all and I had to change the input from HDMI1 to HDMI2 back to HDMI1 or change the input on my preamp to get picture.
  • I've had issues where the Epson "sync'd" but the screen was totally green -- I could make out shapes moving around, so it definitely was taking in the signal, just displaying it 100% green.
  • One time, I powered the Epson on and, even though I have the lamp in ECO mode, the fan was running higher than I've ever heard it before and it never output any light. It did this for 5 minutes and was unresponsive to any remote control inputs. I was finally able to power it off by manually holding the power button on the unit for 10 seconds.
  • The final straw was watching Monsters University (2D) last night, I was having brief audio dropouts every 10-30 seconds. Picture was stable, but the audio would drop out for about 0.5 seconds, accompanied by relay clicks on the preamp.

This is in the same setup (Oppo BDP-93, Onkyo PR-SC5508, same HDMI cable) as my two past projectors (Epson 1080UB, Benq W6000) and I've never had such issues before, so I'm unlikely to believe that my existing equipment developed a problem completely coincidentally with the arrival of the new projector. I've checked all my HDMI connections throughout the chain and everything was solid.

So, two questions... Has anyone else experienced any similar HDMI sync issues? And, since I bought from Projector People, do I deal with their tech support or do I go straight to Epson?
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For numbers 1, 2, and 4, I suspect that you have a bad or otherwise questionable HDMI cable in your setup, or your HDMI chain is not connected properly. Just because your setup worked previously does not mean that the cables are problem free.

As far as #3, I had this happen once or twice when I first bought my 5010. If the lamp does not light up properly, the projector seems to go into some sort of self protect mode and will not respond to remote commands in order to make sure that you don't do something stupid. The solution is to wait it out for about 10 minutes, power down, and then restart. It should then hopefully light up and respond normally. Like I said, this happened once or twice to me, and it has not happened again in a very long time...ymmv.
post #761 of 2956
Re: 5030UB comment above of

One time, I powered the Epson on and, even though I have the lamp in ECO mode, the fan was running higher than I've ever heard it before and it never output any light. It did this for 5 minutes and was unresponsive to any remote control inputs. I was finally able to power it off by manually holding the power button on the unit for 10 seconds.

This problem has been around since the 5010/6010 (I own a 6010) pretty sad that Epson hasn't solved this two generations later.
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Here's my shout-out to zombie for the Epson 5030 that he calibrated for me. I've had it set up for a couple of days in my theater and it's outstanding. The improvement over my 6010 in 2D is only incrementally better, but FI in 3D alone makes it worth the upgrade. This particular 5030 has superior panel alignment out of the box and it tweaks in even better. Color is outstanding in 2D and 3D. Jason calibrated it for 2D low and high lamp modes, and for 3D. Beautiful.
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So I had canceled my order for the 5030 at Best Buy because it was on backorder and they had no idea when it was going to come in. In the interim I had decided I might go with the Sony HW55ES. Anyway so I went to BB today and, lo and behold, they had a 5030 in stock in the store. So I grabbed it. Glad I did. Had it up and running in less than 20 minutes. Replaced my 4 year old Panny AE4000. Contrast on this thing is crazy. Black levels are amazing. I threw Creature From The Black Lagoon on in 3D. THX mode was a little dimmer than I wanted but Cinema Mode was bright as heck. Looked awesome. I have a 100" Carada BW screen. No crosstalk at all during the movie. Watched Hubble 3D as well. Clean as a whistle as far as CT goes. Gonna play more tomorrow but just wanted to say I joined the club. Guess it's no Sony for me. Especially since the 5030 is quite a bit brighter. Better for 3D. Convergence was pretty good out of the box. Tweaked it and it's spot on now. Color uniformity is WAY better than on my old Panny but I have to say the iris on the Panny is less noticeable. I can see it in action on this projector. But it's not too annoying so I'll live with it. Besides I get 45 days to return it so if I find anything I don't like with it I can always take it back.

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Edited by eliocon - 11/2/13 at 5:59pm
post #764 of 2956
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Originally Posted by Joseph Clark View Post

Here's my shout-out to zombie for the Epson 5030 that he calibrated for me. I've had it set up for a couple of days in my theater and it's outstanding. The improvement over my 6010 in 2D is only incrementally better, but FI in 3D alone makes it worth the upgrade. This particular 5030 has superior panel alignment out of the box and it tweaks in even better. Color is outstanding in 2D and 3D. Jason calibrated it for 2D low and high lamp modes, and for 3D. Beautiful.

Thanks, I'm glad you like it. I believe I set the Super Resolution to 3 and the sharpness as well to 3, I thought this combo looked great overall.

Cine4home mentioned some tweaks to the optical path and I believe this shows on your specific copy vs. the numerous 5020 and 6020's I saw last year. I have another 5030 on the way and curious to see how consistent it is between copies.

for the $$ it's a great bang for the buck in 2D and 3D. I really like the Epson RF glasses, one of my favorite factory glasses so far. Enjoy your new toy!! biggrin.gif


edit: I forgot to mention one of our members is sending over the LPE filter to add to the reviews. I'm excited to try this out and see how many 'near D65' lumens we can crank out of the Epson.
Edited by zombie10k - 11/2/13 at 6:08pm
post #765 of 2956
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Originally Posted by eliocon View Post

So I had canceled my order for the 5030 at Best Buy because it was on backorder and they had no idea when it was going to come in. In the interim I had decided I might go with the Sony HW55ES. Anyway so I went to BB today and, lo and behold, they had a 5030 in stock in the store. So I grabbed it. Glad I did. Had it up and running in less than 20 minutes. Replaced my 4 year old Panny AE4000. Contrast on this thing is crazy. Black levels are amazing. I threw Creature From The Black Lagoon on in 3D. THX mode was a little dimmer than I wanted but Cinema Mode was bright as heck. Looked awesome. I have a 100" Carada BW screen. No crosstalk at all during the movie. Watched Hubble 3D as well. Clean as a whistle as far as CT goes. Gonna play more tomorrow but just wanted to say I joined the club. Guess it's no Sony for me. Especially since the 5030 is quite a bit brighter. Better for 3D. Convergence was pretty good out of the box. Tweaked it and it's spot on now. Color uniformity is WAY better than on my old Panny but I have to say the iris on the Panny is less noticeable. I can see it in action on this projector. But it's not too annoying so I'll live with it. Besides I get 45 days to return it so if I find anything I don't like with it I can always take it back.

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You bought the Epson 5030 at Best Buy??? How is it that you got 45 days to return it? I was almost certain the return policy for Best Buy is 15 days or 30 if your an Elite Reward Zone Member. How did you get 45???

post #766 of 2956
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Originally Posted by beasttopray View Post

You bought the Epson 5030 at Best Buy??? How is it that you got 45 days to return it? I was almost certain the return policy for Best Buy is 15 days or 30 if your an Elite Reward Zone Member. How did you get 45???

Elite Plus members get 45 days. It used to be 60. Hard life, I know. smile.gif
post #767 of 2956
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Originally Posted by eliocon View Post

So I had canceled my order for the 5030 at Best Buy because it was on backorder and they had no idea when it was going to come in. In the interim I had decided I might go with the Sony HW55ES. Anyway so I went to BB today and, lo and behold, they had a 5030 in stock in the store. So I grabbed it. Glad I did. Had it up and running in less than 20 minutes. Replaced my 4 year old Panny AE4000. Contrast on this thing is crazy. Black levels are amazing. I threw Creature From The Black Lagoon on in 3D. THX mode was a little dimmer than I wanted but Cinema Mode was bright as heck. Looked awesome. I have a 100" Carada BW screen. No crosstalk at all during the movie. Watched Hubble 3D as well. Clean as a whistle as far as CT goes. Gonna play more tomorrow but just wanted to say I joined the club. Guess it's no Sony for me. Especially since the 5030 is quite a bit brighter. Better for 3D. Convergence was pretty good out of the box. Tweaked it and it's spot on now. Color uniformity is WAY better than on my old Panny but I have to say the iris on the Panny is less noticeable. I can see it in action on this projector. But it's not too annoying so I'll live with it. Besides I get 45 days to return it so if I find anything I don't like with it I can always take it back.

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I don't see any difference with the iris on with mine. What is that you see?
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Would last year's panasonic RF 3D glasses work with the 5030?
post #769 of 2956
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Originally Posted by broadwayblue View Post

Would last year's panasonic RF 3D glasses work with the 5030?

Can't say for sure, but probably. My Samsung 3D plasma RF glasses from 2011 work with the 5030. I just picked up another couple of pairs of the cheapie $20 Samsung 3D glasses at Best Buy. I'll use the Epson glasses for normal viewing, but it's nice to have a few extra pairs of the Samsungs on the rare occasions when I have more guests.
post #770 of 2956
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Elite Plus members get 45 days. It used to be 60. Hard life, I know. smile.gif

Well Ill be darned. Lol I looked into it a bit further. I never registered my account. So a lot of my points vanished over the years. But apparently I'm an Elite Plus Member and I didn't even know it. Lol

post #771 of 2956
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Originally Posted by gpmbc View Post

I don't see any difference with the iris on with mine. What is that you see?

Just an occasional pulse taking the scene a little darker when it switches from a light to a dark scene. Nothing horrible. It's just slightly noticeable on mine. Actually the projector is so much better than my old one at reproducing black that I think I'm going to leave it off. I can hear it a little too. Not a horrible loud noise but it's kinda there. But this is a super minot complaint. I'd give this projector 10 out of 10 if I were a reviewer. It's freaking awesome. Oh and I found out that the reason Best Buy had it in stock is that they were going to install it in the Magnolia room. But they decided to sell it to me. Crazy...
post #772 of 2956
Check out this youtube video. Cool setup!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=amfr6PHZQpU
post #773 of 2956
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Originally Posted by beasttopray View Post

Well Ill be darned. Lol I looked into it a bit further. I never registered my account. So a lot of my points vanished over the years. But apparently I'm an Elite Plus Member and I didn't even know it. Lol

LOL.. I only became an Elite Plus member because I happened to upgrade my phone on a day that if you upgraded your phone and extended your plan for 2 years they would give you premier status. It was really fortunate timing. This purchase put me over the top so I'm an Elite Plus member til 2015. I do miss the free calibrations they used to offer reward zone silver members.
post #774 of 2956
I just finished watching Star Trek Into Darkness on the 5030 (been saving it for the upgrade from the 6010). It made me appreciate the good work you did even more, Jason. smile.gif I know this movie was a 2D to 3D conversion, but the 3D looked great, with the 5030 showing almost no ghosting.

Speaking of which, the ghosting performance of the 5030 seems very similar to the 6010 I had - probably a wee bit better. Another thing that's great about the 5030 (and 6010) is that it takes only about 5-6 minutes from a cold start (or change from low lamp) for the visible ghosting to go away to practically nothing. When it first starts, the ghosting can be severe, but it's a short-lived problem. My JVC RS40/45 took maybe a half hour before ghosting got as good as it was going to get - and even then the ghosting performance was never anywhere near as good as it is on the Epsons.

If you haven't already, check out Star Trek ID in 3D if you want a fun ride with your new Epson 5030. It's a blast!!! biggrin.gif
post #775 of 2956
I cant believe they havent sorted the high fan/no light output problem after all these years!
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Anyone know when the 5030 UBE is getting released? This is driving me crazy because Epson said mid Oct and it still isn't available! Video games have release date, movies have release dates. Why can't projectors???

post #777 of 2956
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Originally Posted by eliocon View Post

Just an occasional pulse taking the scene a little darker when it switches from a light to a dark scene. Nothing horrible. It's just slightly noticeable on mine. Actually the projector is so much better than my old one at reproducing black that I think I'm going to leave it off. I can hear it a little too. Not a horrible loud noise but it's kinda there. But this is a super minot complaint. I'd give this projector 10 out of 10 if I were a reviewer. It's freaking awesome. Oh and I found out that the reason Best Buy had it in stock is that they were going to install it in the Magnolia room. But they decided to sell it to me. Crazy...
Thx for your response.
post #778 of 2956
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Originally Posted by Joseph Clark View Post

I just finished watching Star Trek Into Darkness on the 5030 (been saving it for the upgrade from the 6010). It made me appreciate the good work you did even more, Jason. smile.gif I know this movie was a 2D to 3D conversion, but the 3D looked great, with the 5030 showing almost no ghosting.

Speaking of which, the ghosting performance of the 5030 seems very similar to the 6010 I had - probably a wee bit better. Another thing that's great about the 5030 (and 6010) is that it takes only about 5-6 minutes from a cold start (or change from low lamp) for the visible ghosting to go away to practically nothing. When it first starts, the ghosting can be severe, but it's a short-lived problem. My JVC RS40/45 took maybe a half hour before ghosting got as good as it was going to get - and even then the ghosting performance was never anywhere near as good as it is on the Epsons.

If you haven't already, check out Star Trek ID in 3D if you want a fun ride with your new Epson 5030. It's a blast!!! biggrin.gif

Thanks for the critique!
I too am saving Into Darkness for my 5030/HT debut.
Now i'm even more psyched...should be in a few weeks.
Mounting gear/screen should be coming this week.
Never mounted a PJ before, and actually never even used a PJ before, so i'm sure there will be a few humps.
post #779 of 2956
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Originally Posted by Joseph Clark View Post

I just finished watching Star Trek Into Darkness on the 5030 (been saving it for the upgrade from the 6010). It made me appreciate the good work you did even more, Jason. smile.gif I know this movie was a 2D to 3D conversion, but the 3D looked great, with the 5030 showing almost no ghosting.

Calibrating through the glasses can make a big difference depending on how far off it is. Some projectors are off by a mile (Panasonic 8000). Thankfully the 5030 was relatively easy to correct.

I think it's become an expectation that 3D color isn't going to look right, but it doesn't have to be that way... smile.gif
post #780 of 2956
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Originally Posted by zombie10k View Post

Calibrating through the glasses can make a big difference depending on how far off it is. Some projectors are off by a mile (Panasonic 8000). Thankfully the 5030 was relatively easy to correct.

I think it's become an expectation that 3D color isn't going to look right, but it doesn't have to be that way... smile.gif

What software are you using to calibrate through the glasses? I know for a while you used the patterns I worked up for you, but I'm sure they've been replaced by professional software by now. Seeing what you were able to get out of the 5030 made me feel even more guilty about my laziness in not learning to calibrate my own displays. The 3D calibration does make a big difference. I kept thinking that as I watched STID last night. Skin tones looked amazing. Even in clips from the animated Monsters vs Aliens, the "skin tones" looked better. smile.gif
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