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I appreciate all the reviews but I actually have one (the IOGear), and it works fine. I see no degradation whatsoever, and believe me, I've looked, particularly when I calibrated it with the Spears & Munsil 2nd edition disk last night.

If you read a lot of reviews (and I did) and you are comparing the same models (HDMI wireless standards are not all the same, and even when they are there are some poor implementations) you'll see quite a lot of them were when the reviewer tried to transmit through walls, or had it next to something that blocked signals otherwise. Amazon reviews in particular.

I still firmly believe the Epson UBE is a waste of money - it's more expensive then standalone units, locks you to that PJ (since you can't buy an upgraded unit with *just* the receiver you're paying for it all over again if you do), and anecdotal evidence aside there is no concrete testing that shows it's "better" in any way. Stick to a well-reviewed unit like the IOGear (DVDO makes a decent one too, I understand) and you'll be fine. I'd be willing to bet that if you have problems with a good standalone unit you will have the same problems with the UBE, it's not magic.

But each to his or her own, I'm only relating my experience. Around Christmas I'm probably going to upgrade my A/V receiver and re-run my cable anyway - and when I do, I'll be able to re-use my wireless unit smile.gif I'm already thinking it would fix a problem I have in another room.
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I received my 5030UB today from Magnolia Design and it up and running. However they told me they are going to receive the 6030UBs shortly. I owned the 5020 and was very happy with it. With that said at that moment i was SLIGHTLY having second thoughts and was hesitating. I was thinking about getting the 6030UB but I've never seen it in action. I loved the 5020UB so I'm sure I will have no problems with the 5030UB.

 

With that said can anyone tell me if there is much of a difference in picture quality between the 6030UB and the 5030UB?? I know the 6030UB comes with a ceiling mount and an extra bulb. Which is something I don't really care for since I bought the Best Buy 4 year warranty that covers one extra bulb failure. I know the 6030 has anamorphic lens capabilities and something called ISF calibration and color management but I don't really know much about that feature.

 

Anyone here that can say if those extra 900 dollars is worth it if I don't care about the ceiling mount or the extra bulb by any chance?? I understand its a bit hard to define if its worth it or not since everyone has different opinions. I just wanted to hear someone else's opinion if by chance anyone has seen the 6030UB in action. I would like to hear other people's opinions of the comparison of these two projectors. I don't know if I'm allowed to ask questions on the 6030UB in this thread or not. So hopefully I'm not going off topic too much by asking this question in this thread. 

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I received my 5030UB today from Magnolia Design and it up and running. However they told me they are going to receive the 6030UBs shortly. I owned the 5020 and was very happy with it. With that said at that moment i was SLIGHTLY having second thoughts and was hesitating. I was thinking about getting the 6030UB but I've never seen it in action. I loved the 5020UB so I'm sure I will have no problems with the 5030UB.

With that said can anyone tell me if there is much of a difference in picture quality between the 6030UB and the 5030UB?? I know the 6030UB comes with a ceiling mount and an extra bulb. Which is something I don't really care for since I bought the Best Buy 4 year warranty that covers one extra bulb failure. I know the 6030 has anamorphic lens capabilities and something called ISF calibration and color management but I don't really know much about that feature.

Anyone here that can say if those extra 900 dollars is worth it if I don't care about the ceiling mount or the extra bulb by any chance?? I understand its a bit hard to define if its worth it or not since everyone has different opinions. I just wanted to hear someone else's opinion if by chance anyone has seen the 6030UB in action. I would like to hear other people's opinions of the comparison of these two projectors. I don't know if I'm allowed to ask questions on the 6030UB in this thread or not. So hopefully I'm not going off topic too much by asking this question in this thread. 

The picture quality will be identical between the 5030 and the 6030. The only differences are the ones you listed.
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How much does that four year BB warranty cost?
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How much does that four year BB warranty cost?

$450.00 For the Best Buy Warranty for the Epson 5030UB if I remember correctly. Ill double check the receipt later to verify but I'm almost positive its $450.00. Covers everything except physical damage to the projector. One bulb failure coverage. Im not entirely 100 percent sure if the warranty price is the same between Magnolia Design Center and Magnolia Home Theater though. Prices MIGHT be different. Im not certain. But I think they are the same.

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The picture quality will be identical between the 5030 and the 6030. The only differences are the ones you listed.

Yeah Ive heard that from some people. Magnolia reps have also told me the picture quality for the 6030/6020 is better though. I hear different things. Oh well. I do love the 5030UB though. I guess I was just curious how much better then this it got. Thanks though for your input! =)

post #877 of 2948
Thanks for that warranty information. Since a new bulb is probably going to run around $300 alone I would say $450 is not a bad deal for an extra four year warranty. My only concern is that I would not want to keep a projector that long since technology advances so quickly. I use to be of the mind set of replacing a projector when the bulb goes out (should last about three years the way I use it) but my two 6500 bulbs have lasted only 1600 and 1100 hours and both were OEM lamps. I was thinking of getting the 5030 for the longer lasting bulb if for no other reason. However, if the bulb's anticipated life is exaggerated the way it was on the 6500, an extra warranty like the one you bought might be a wise way to go instead of spending double that and going with the 6030.
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Yeah Ive heard that from some people. Magnolia reps have also told me the picture quality for the 6030/6020 is better though. I hear different things. Oh well. I do love the 5030UB though. I guess I was just curious how much better then this it got. Thanks though for your input! =)

That's a shame, because he's lying. Unless he's using the fact that it is ISF calibration tools, but then he's still stretching the truth.
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Thanks for that warranty information. Since a new bulb is probably going to run around $300 alone I would say $450 is not a bad deal for an extra four year warranty. My only concern is that I would not want to keep a projector that long since technology advances so quickly. I use to be of the mind set of replacing a projector when the bulb goes out (should last about three years the way I use it) but my two 6500 bulbs have lasted only 1600 and 1100 hours and both were OEM lamps. I was thinking of getting the 5030 for the longer lasting bulb if for no other reason. However, if the bulb's anticipated life is exaggerated the way it was on the 6500, an extra warranty like the one you bought might be a wise way to go instead of spending double that and going with the 6030.

Yeah I believe its a pretty good deal. So you get wear and tear damage warranty for the cost of 150. If you deduct the bulb price out of that. I was a bit hesitant at first but I was so happy with the 5020 that I highly doubt i will be upgrading this projector until 4k projectors drop down in price. I doubt ill upgrade until Epson starts releasing 4k technology in their projectors. Even then I wont get one until the prices in 4k drop down where it costs around the same that this Epson 5030UB Cost me. I dont think Id pay more then $4k for a projector. Lol $4k is the most id ever pay for a 4k Projector if Epson released one. Thats my budget. Bulb life does last well. But it all depends on how you use the projector. And which mode you have it on. In the 5030 the THX mode is the mode with the clearest picture. And the most dimmest mode I believe. So I try to keep it in THX mode to make the bulb last longer. And I also get awesome picture quality in THX mode so its a win win. You cant go wrong with the 5030. I doubt youll be wanting to upgrade this projector anytime soon if you got it. Unless you wanted to into 4k soon. You will get wayyyy better picture quality in the 5030UB as opposed to the 6500. And it is way brighter. So youll be able to keep it in ECO and itll probably still be brighter then your 6500 I would imagine. If the 5030 is in your budget then Id say its worth the upgrade. Its a hell of a good projector for the price. I think 2600 is actually a good price for this projector. Im glad Epson doesnt overprice their projectors and that they have a bunch of different level projectors. Makes it easier for people in a budget to buy one. You cant go wrong with this projector. Does well in everything. Except for super fast paced gaming for hardcore gamers. But for movies, sports and everything else I think it excels.

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That's a shame, because he's lying. Unless he's using the fact that it is ISF calibration tools, but then he's still stretching the truth.

What is meant by "calibration tools"? Are they meant to be used by ISF calibrators or do these tools take the place of having to have the projector calibrated by a pro?
post #881 of 2948
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That's a shame, because he's lying. Unless he's using the fact that it is ISF calibration tools, but then he's still stretching the truth.

 

 

Mmmm I see. Thanks for letting me know. I suppose that makes me feel a bit more comfortable that I got the 5030UB instead of the 6030UB. So its not a major huge difference then. Good to know. Thank you. Yeah sometimes salesmen will lie or stretch the truth to make a more expensive sale. I guess you have to be careful who you trust. Thanks again for your input. =)

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Yeah I believe its a pretty good deal. So you get wear and tear damage warranty for the cost of 150. If you deduct the bulb price out of that. I was a bit hesitant at first but I was so happy with the 5020 that I highly doubt i will be upgrading this projector until 4k projectors drop down in price. I doubt ill upgrade until Epson starts releasing 4k technology in their projectors. Even then I wont get one until the prices in 4k drop down where it costs around the same that this Epson 5030UB Cost me. I dont think Id pay more then $4k for a projector. Lol $4k is the most id ever pay for a 4k Projector if Epson released one. Thats my budget. Bulb life does last well. But it all depends on how you use the projector. And which mode you have it on. In the 5030 the THX mode is the mode with the clearest picture. And the most dimmest mode I believe. So I try to keep it in THX mode to make the bulb last longer. And I also get awesome picture quality in THX mode so its a win win. You cant go wrong with the 5030. I doubt youll be wanting to upgrade this projector anytime soon if you got it. Unless you wanted to into 4k soon. You will get wayyyy better picture quality in the 5030UB as opposed to the 6500. And it is way brighter. So youll be able to keep it in ECO and itll probably still be brighter then your 6500 I would imagine. If the 5030 is in your budget then Id say its worth the upgrade. Its a hell of a good projector for the price. I think 2600 is actually a good price for this projector. Im glad Epson doesnt overprice their projectors and that they have a bunch of different level projectors. Makes it easier for people in a budget to buy one. You cant go wrong with this projector. Does well in everything. Except for super fast paced gaming for hardcore gamers. But for movies, sports and everything else I think it excels.

I agree with all you have said, especially the price points. I have decided that once this last lamp goes on me (I replaced it last week) I will upgrade to whatever Epson's newest projector line is at that time (probably in about a year if prior lamp life is any indication). The Darbee Darblet I hooked up along with the new lamp has really made my 6500 better than it ever has been and I am pretty satisfied right now. Many projector manufactures are not coming out with anything new and improved this year at all which tells me Epson is doing a good job of keeping on the cutting edge by rolling out improvements every year. I will be anxious to see what they will release next year.
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The picture quality will be identical between the 5030 and the 6030. The only differences are the ones you listed.

Correct. smile.gif
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post #884 of 2948
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I agree with all you have said, especially the price points. I have decided that once this last lamp goes on me (I replaced it last week) I will upgrade to whatever Epson's newest projector line is at that time (probably in about a year if prior lamp life is any indication). The Darbee Darblet I hooked up along with the new lamp has really made my 6500 better than it ever has been and I am pretty satisfied right now. Many projector manufactures are not coming out with anything new and improved this year at all which tells me Epson is doing a good job of keeping on the cutting edge by rolling out improvements every year. I will be anxious to see what they will release next year.

Yeah Epson does a good job. If the lamp does last you a year then your best bet is to wait for the Epson 5040UB. Next years release. If Epson is smart they'll add a gaming mode to accommodate all the gamers out there. That really does seem to be the only thing missing in this projector at this time that I can see would make a huge difference. I don't see anything else besides a gaming mode they can add to make this projector better. Or maybe they will try to do what JVC is doing and do that 4k Upscaling feature. Who knows what Epson will bring in the future. I was thinking about getting the Darbee Darblet as well. But Im going to hold off on it for a while. Im curious as to how much it would improve the picture on the 5030UB as well. I hear people saying a lot of good things about it but I've never seen one in action. They are a bit pricey too. Im curious if the improved picture quality is worth 300 if  it will be used along with this projector. I dont know much about the Darbee. Just read a few small things about it. Ive yet to do full research on it. 

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That's a shame, because he's lying. Unless he's using the fact that it is ISF calibration tools, but then he's still stretching the truth.

A Best Buy employee trying to upsell... imagine that. 

 

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Yeah Ive heard that from some people. Magnolia reps have also told me the picture quality for the 6030/6020 is better though. I hear different things. Oh well. I do love the 5030UB though. I guess I was just curious how much better then this it got. Thanks though for your input! =)

After extensive research on my part, it's pretty common knowledge that they (the 5030 & 6030,) have identical picture quality, and are in fact the same projector, just a different case color.  (given same model projector differences & the ISF calibration & anamorphic lens capabilities plus all the bonus goodies of the 6030)

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Yes, the Darbee will improve your picture, regardless the source. It is like a "dynamic range expander" for video. It enhances the picture and blacks seem blacker and whites whiter. There is a whole thread here at AVS that explains this thing top to bottom. There are also many reviews not only by users but pros as well at various video and home theater websites. I figured since the reviews were generally very favorable I would try it, considering I was getting a new lamp anyway and the 6500 had been calibrated by one of the best (Jeff of Accu Cal). The Darblet is not a calibration tool which is to say it will not make things more "accurate" but it will enhance with sharper pictures. It is not measurable in some scenes but it is in many others such as close ups where eyebrows sometimes look like a smear above the eyes. The Darbee highlights the hairs and even individual threads in clothing. It is almost like putting your glasses on and then taking them off and putting them on again. There is just a little more detail to everything. Is it worth $300? Well, for those of us wanting to get everything out of our projectors we possibly can it would be. On a smaller screen I would say it would not be worth that kind of money.
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Thanks for that warranty information. Since a new bulb is probably going to run around $300 alone I would say $450 is not a bad deal for an extra four year warranty. My only concern is that I would not want to keep a projector that long since technology advances so quickly. I use to be of the mind set of replacing a projector when the bulb goes out (should last about three years the way I use it) but my two 6500 bulbs have lasted only 1600 and 1100 hours and both were OEM lamps. I was thinking of getting the 5030 for the longer lasting bulb if for no other reason. However, if the bulb's anticipated life is exaggerated the way it was on the 6500, an extra warranty like the one you bought might be a wise way to go instead of spending double that and going with the 6030.

Are you sure it's an extra four year warranty? Or is it a four year warranty, which would only give you two years beyond the Epson manufacturer's warranty?
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Are you sure it's an extra four year warranty? Or is it a four year warranty, which would only give you two years beyond the Epson manufacturer's warranty?

Its a 4 year Best Buy warranty. They sell the warranty this way because most items out there dont come with a good manufacturer warranty. Luckily Epson does have a good manufacturer warranty. 4 year time starts ticking at the date of purchase. Of course if your still under the Epson warranty it is probably better to just contact Epson. Its your choice if you rather deal with Epson or Best Buy. Personally id use Epson Warranty if i was still under the 2 years. But if my bulb were to blow out and for some reason Epson didnt want to replace it. I could just go to Best Buy. Its not an EXTRA 4 years. Its just 4 years. Both warranty's start ticking from the date of purchase. Except the Epson warranty comes free with purchase. And best buy you have to pay.

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Its a 4 year Best Buy warranty. They sell the warranty this way because most items out there dont come with a good manufacturer warranty. Luckily Epson does have a good manufacturer warranty. 4 year time starts ticking at the date of purchase. Of course if your still under the Epson warranty it is probably better to just contact Epson. Its your choice if you rather deal with Epson or Best Buy. Personally id use Epson Warranty if i was still under the 2 years. But if my bulb were to blow out and for some reason Epson didnt want to replace it. I could just go to Best Buy. Its not an EXTRA 4 years. Its just 4 years. Both warranty's start ticking from the date of purchase. Except the Epson warranty comes free with purchase. And best buy you have to pay.

Gotcha, so really one extra year (if you buy the projector with a credit card that offers an extra year warranty) for $150, assuming you'll need the replacement lamp (which most people likely would.)
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Since this is my first time into PJs, I'd just like to clear some muddy waters. From what I understand about the Geek Squad Plan (GSP) at Best Buy, the four years plan would cover everything except accidental damage, and would replace one bulb in those 4 years.

If I get a 5030 from BB and DON'T buy GSP, the PJ would have the basic Epson warranty, which is pretty good, lasts 2 years, and would mean I'd have to contact them for service.

If the bulb decided to die in 4 months for any reason, would the basic manufacturer warranty cover it, and would they send me a replacement bulb to cover it?

If the bulb dies 3 days before the warranty is out, would they check how many hours it has on it, and then issue a replacement?

Even if you had GSP, and the bulb died in 3 months, you'd use up your 'one bulb' wouldn't you?

Freddy ..
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Thank you for that explanation. I may have to cancel my UBE pre order and go with the UB and the IOGear

 

I haven't read reviews of Epson's implementation but I have read many IOGear reviews. Based on numerous factors largely based on distance you can experience...

 

However, with the receiver in the same place, I ran a long HDMI cable to the theater to judge the picture quality on my projector. In this setup, a small, but noticeable, degradation in picture quality was apparent. There was noise, a graininess to the image, most noticeable along edges and in fine detail. On the small LCD screen, this wasn’t apparent, but blown up to 103-inches, it was very noticeable. Subjectively, I’d say it reduced picture quality 20-25%.

 

Close by he had lots of luck...

 

Moving the transmitter about half the distance to the transmitter, the picture looked perfect. This is interesting, as the normal “fail mode” of digital signals is all or nothing. Losing some slight picture quality at extreme distances is probably a reasonable tradeoff for many people.

 

Unlike a cable it doesn't either work or not work... you are always left wondering how well it works.

 

The quote above in this review which reflects the loss I have read in others...

 

http://hdguru.com/iogear-wireless-3d-hdmi-digital-kit-first-review/6808/

 

What??  It's HDMI. It's digital. You can’t have 'small but noticeable degradation' - either it is working or it isn't. If it passing the 0s and 1s then it is passing them. Digital is all or nothing - if there is something wrong with the connection, then there will be significant artefacts in the image as data is lost, or no image at all. It's not like analog where you could get a 'progressive' deterioration.

 

Similarly you can’t have "noise, a graininess to the image, most noticeable along edges and in fine detail" either. You will either have a perfect picture or a picture that is clearly damaged (flashing lines, flashing colours etc) or no picture at all. The reviewer is talking nonsense.

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What??  It's HDMI. It's digital. You can’t have 'small but noticeable degradation' - either it is working or it isn't. If it passing the 0s and 1s then it is passing them. Digital is all or nothing - if there is something wrong with the connection, then there will be significant artefacts in the image as data is lost, or no image at all. It's not like analog where you could get a 'progressive' deterioration.

Similarly you can’t have "noise, a graininess to the image, most noticeable along edges and in fine detail" either. You will either have a perfect picture or a picture that is clearly damaged (flashing lines, flashing colours etc) or no picture at all. The reviewer is talking nonsense.

Technically that's true, but the piece you're missing is that there are two "standards" for wireless HDMI in common use today - WHDI and WirelessHD - and WHDI can use a tiny bit of compression if needed (determined automatically). Most units you find today use WHDI because it can work over longer distances and through walls - WirelessHD requires direct line of sight and has other shortcomings.

What this means is, the longer the distance from the receiver, or the more objects in between, the greater the chance that the signal will need to be compressed more, which will lead to picture degradation. This can happen even if you have direct line of sight - WHDI operates in the lower 5ghz band, outside of wifi range, but it's still subject to interference just like wifi is. Some owners have reported merely shifting the unit a couple feet away from their other A/V equipment helped.

Like I've been saying, mine works just fine, but I got it after extensive research and with consideration of my environment, which is ideal (12 feet away, direct line of sight even though I don't need it). Others should do the same, and once again (I swear this is the last time I'll bring it up) this is another strike against the UBE model for me, because if Wireless HDMI didn't work right I would have to return the entire PJ, or live with one that had a $300 extra I didn't use.
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What??  It's HDMI. It's digital. You can’t have 'small but noticeable degradation'

Even without compression I don't see why you couldn't get picture degradation due to individual bits that are not received correctly. Flip enough bits and the resulting noise overlaid on the image would make it look grainy as reported.
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I have the 6020 and paid the extra money because my wife refused to have a white projector hanging from our darkened ceiling. I have had plenty of guests ask where I got such a large flat screen because they don't notice the black 6020 hanging from the ceiling.
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I loath the white case as well. mad.gif

I can't believe they get away with not having an option at that price point. I would guess more people would opt for the black case.
That is what help me from buying the Epson last year. I might have to wait for the Panasonic again this time....that is if there is one.
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Yes, the Darbee will improve your picture, regardless the source. It is like a "dynamic range expander" for video. It enhances the picture and blacks seem blacker and whites whiter. There is a whole thread here at AVS that explains this thing top to bottom. There are also many reviews not only by users but pros as well at various video and home theater websites. I figured since the reviews were generally very favorable I would try it, considering I was getting a new lamp anyway and the 6500 had been calibrated by one of the best (Jeff of Accu Cal). The Darblet is not a calibration tool which is to say it will not make things more "accurate" but it will enhance with sharper pictures. It is not measurable in some scenes but it is in many others such as close ups where eyebrows sometimes look like a smear above the eyes. The Darbee highlights the hairs and even individual threads in clothing. It is almost like putting your glasses on and then taking them off and putting them on again. There is just a little more detail to everything. Is it worth $300? Well, for those of us wanting to get everything out of our projectors we possibly can it would be. On a smaller screen I would say it would not be worth that kind of money.

Well, throughout the week I received the 5030ub, 100 inch tab tensioned Vapex 1.1 gain screen and darbee darblet. I plan on hooking everything up this weekend (pray for me!). Am of course, super excited. Will post my own review ASAP. Thank you all for the wealth of information here! smile.gifbiggrin.gif
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Are you sure it's an extra four year warranty? Or is it a four year warranty, which would only give you two years beyond the Epson manufacturer's warranty?

Generally when you purchase an extended warranty it includes the manufacturer's warranty. So a four year warranty on a 5030 would be two years of manufacturer's warranty and two years of extra warranty. You do not get two and then four for a total of six.
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What??  It's HDMI. It's digital. You can’t have 'small but noticeable degradation' - either it is working or it isn't. If it passing the 0s and 1s then it is passing them. Digital is all or nothing - if there is something wrong with the connection, then there will be significant artefacts in the image as data is lost, or no image at all. It's not like analog where you could get a 'progressive' deterioration.

Similarly you can’t have "noise, a graininess to the image, most noticeable along edges and in fine detail" either. You will either have a perfect picture or a picture that is clearly damaged (flashing lines, flashing colours etc) or no picture at all. The reviewer is talking nonsense.

Technically that's true, but the piece you're missing is that there are two "standards" for wireless HDMI in common use today - WHDI and WirelessHD - and WHDI can use a tiny bit of compression if needed (determined automatically). Most units you find today use WHDI because it can work over longer distances and through walls - WirelessHD requires direct line of sight and has other shortcomings.

What this means is, the longer the distance from the receiver, or the more objects in between, the greater the chance that the signal will need to be compressed more, which will lead to picture degradation. This can happen even if you have direct line of sight - WHDI operates in the lower 5ghz band, outside of wifi range, but it's still subject to interference just like wifi is. Some owners have reported merely shifting the unit a couple feet away from their other A/V equipment helped.

Like I've been saying, mine works just fine, but I got it after extensive research and with consideration of my environment, which is ideal (12 feet away, direct line of sight even though I don't need it). Others should do the same, and once again (I swear this is the last time I'll bring it up) this is another strike against the UBE model for me, because if Wireless HDMI didn't work right I would have to return the entire PJ, or live with one that had a $300 extra I didn't use.

 

That is interesting, thanks. I agree with you that it is a great alternative to the UBe model. I have ordered the UB model as I have cables already in place but I did consider the UBe model to give more flexibility in the future. In the end I decided to get the UB - so your post was of great help to me. If I need wireless in future I now know it is an option for me.

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Yes, the Darbee will improve your picture, regardless the source. It is like a "dynamic range expander" for video. It enhances the picture and blacks seem blacker and whites whiter. There is a whole thread here at AVS that explains this thing top to bottom. There are also many reviews not only by users but pros as well at various video and home theater websites. I figured since the reviews were generally very favorable I would try it, considering I was getting a new lamp anyway and the 6500 had been calibrated by one of the best (Jeff of Accu Cal). The Darblet is not a calibration tool which is to say it will not make things more "accurate" but it will enhance with sharper pictures. It is not measurable in some scenes but it is in many others such as close ups where eyebrows sometimes look like a smear above the eyes. The Darbee highlights the hairs and even individual threads in clothing. It is almost like putting your glasses on and then taking them off and putting them on again. There is just a little more detail to everything. Is it worth $300? Well, for those of us wanting to get everything out of our projectors we possibly can it would be. On a smaller screen I would say it would not be worth that kind of money.

How does the Darbee compare to the Epson Super Resolution settings? Does it essentially do the same thing?
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How does the Darbee compare to the Epson Super Resolution settings? Does it essentially do the same thing?

So far, none of the projector manufacturer's have been able to do as good of a job with this as Darbee. With Darbee you can get improved perceived contrast and sharpness with out artifacts. Super resolution and Sony's reality creation can't say that. So a Darbee paired with a projector is a good match. smile.gif
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