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post #931 of 3001
No, I'm going to downsize the screen, not get rid of the brand new 5030. I brought this screen with me when I down sized my home (and consequently my theater/living room.) and have been using it but now that I have upgraded the projector its time to get a new screen too.
thanks for the info..
post #932 of 3001
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Originally Posted by crussell1492 View Post

My current screen is "120 and at my viewing distance of 9 1/2 feet I get a slight screen door effect. I am trying to decide if that will go away at 110" or if I should go all the way down to 106"

You have probably already considered this but you may want to try to zoom in the lens to get a smaller image with your existing screen to see if you like what you see before investing in a smaller screen.
post #933 of 3001
Sorry for spamming this thread about input lag but the results so far are all over the place. From 37ms to almost 100ms. So weird.
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Input lag. If you're into gaming, you'll want the least input lag possible. That is achieved by switching from "Fine" Image Processing to "Fast." This setting is designed specifically to reduce input lag, and resulted in only 37 milliseconds of lag, a touch over two frames. While this isn't the fastest home theater projector on the market, it is certainly a marked improvement over last year's 5020UB at 50 milliseconds. Note that "Fast" processing has a softening effect on the picture that reduces the appearance of fine detail, and this reduction in apparent resolution is most visible when there is a lot of small text or other detail on the screen. Depending on what kind of game you're playing, that softness could be invisible, obvious, or anywhere in between.

If you use the standard default settings, which include "Fine" Image Processing, the 5030UB measures 91 milliseconds of input lag, equivalent to five and a half frames of a 60fps signal. That's slower than last year's Home Cinema 5020UB (67 ms) and equal to the Home Cinema 5010 (92ms).

(probably postet already)
http://www.projectorcentral.com/epson_home_cinema_5030ub_projector_review.htm?page=Performance
post #934 of 3001

What do you guys think of the combination of the 5030UB plus the Darbelt DVP 5000?

 

I am running a 50 ft hdmi ... do i plug the darbee in at the start or right near the Epson?

 

what settings would you recommend?

 

Is it true that the Darbee units working better on older less detailed projectors?

 

For example ... are they overkill on the newer units like the Epson 5030

 

thanks guy !!!

post #935 of 3001
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Originally Posted by gpctv02 View Post

What do you guys think of the combination of the 5030UB plus the Darbelt DVP 5000?

I am running a 50 ft hdmi ... do i plug the darbee in at the start or right near the Epson?

what settings would you recommend?

Is it true that the Darbee units working better on older less detailed projectors?

For example ... are they overkill on the newer units like the Epson 5030

thanks guy !!!
I have my Darby connect to my 5030UB and I am having no issues. I am going to have it calibrated at the end of the week, so I'll let you know if I keep the Darby in the chain. My Darby is connect right next to my receiver with a 3' HDMI and I have a 32' run to my projector after the Darby.
post #936 of 3001
Silly question perhaps - but what's this all about with the 3 minute time and extra panels to watch widescreen format? Is that just to avoid the black bars on the screen or is there an issue with different aspect ratios and the 5030?

I have a BenQ w500 (720p) and am considering the upgrade to a 5030. I run a 100" 16:9 screen and just let the projector work with the material I feed it. Sometimes black bars, sometimes not. Is that the issue people are trying to avoid? (Has never been a problem for me) or is there something I should know before making the upgrade? I have been very happy with my BenQ for years and am only looking to upgrade to get more pop from blu-rays.
post #937 of 3001
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Originally Posted by Ix View Post

I bought 4 pairs of the Samsung SSG-5100GB RF glasses and I recommend everyone else do the same. One, they work perfectly with the 5030ub - you even get a "sync" message when you first pair them. Two, they have a couple minor improvements over the 4100GB's that everyone used to get last year - the lenses are a little wider, there's a power indicator, and they automatically shut off (I don't know if the latter was a problem with the old model, but I read several reviews that said it was).

Three - They are $15-20 depending on where you get them. Amazon has them for $20 but I found them at my local Fry's for $15 each. That is a friggin steal.

Four - other than being "open" framed they work exactly as well as the OEM glasses do - picture is the same. Which is probably no surprise to most but I do see it asked from time to time.

Now, these aren't the "premium" kind of glasses like those that ship with the PJ. They have snap-in arms, run off tiny non-rechargeable batteries (easily replaceable though) and the frame itself is straight with no "wrap around" effect block off your peripheral vision. Also, they look kind of goofy but then, all 3D glasses do to some extent.

Don't let that dissuade you - these are perfect kid/guest glasses. At $15 you could pick up 6 pairs for less than the cost of one OEM Epson model. They are extremely light and comfortable and work well with prescription eye wear - in the latter case, better than the OEM glasses. Using batteries means you never have to worry about a pile of glasses sitting around hooked up to a makeshift USB hub, nor worry that if you leave them sitting around all year until the holidays and forget to charge them you'll be stuck.

Don't get me wrong - I love the two pair that come with the PJ, and those are what I will use, but for guests or kids, the Samsung ones are great. As far as picture quality goes there is no difference whatsoever between them.


Thanks for the information on the Samsung glasses. I just ordered a few pair from Amazon along with a package of batteries.
post #938 of 3001
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Originally Posted by gregsdouglas View Post

Silly question perhaps - but what's this all about with the 3 minute time and extra panels to watch widescreen format? Is that just to avoid the black bars on the screen or is there an issue with different aspect ratios and the 5030?

I have a BenQ w500 (720p) and am considering the upgrade to a 5030. I run a 100" 16:9 screen and just let the projector work with the material I feed it. Sometimes black bars, sometimes not. Is that the issue people are trying to avoid? (Has never been a problem for me) or is there something I should know before making the upgrade? I have been very happy with my BenQ for years and am only looking to upgrade to get more pop from blu-rays.

Some people like to mask off their screen as it provides better contrast. Monoprice sells a couple of screens with masking built in. Many people just make panels covered in black velvet that they fasten in place at the top and bottom of the screen.
post #939 of 3001
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Originally Posted by KUV1977 View Post

Sorry for spamming this thread about input lag but the results so far are all over the place. From 37ms to almost 100ms. So weird.
(probably postet already)
http://www.projectorcentral.com/epson_home_cinema_5030ub_projector_review.htm?page=Performance

I created a customer user setting that uses "fast" image processing, along with some picture tweaks for games (basically, a brighter image, slightly over-saturated colors, that's how I like it) and it works fine - I don't have the equipment to measure it but the reviews say that fast image processing and FI disabled it gets 37ms, which is pretty decent. I've been doing two things with this projector since I got it last week - watching lots of 3D content, and playing BF4 smile.gif

It's not as precise as my ASUS VG248QE - which is one of the fastest gaming monitors around at 1ms - but it really doesn't bug me - it's usually not even noticeable. Depends on how sensitive you are, I guess. Me, I just love playing it at 1080p on a 106 inch screen with surround sound blasting smile.gif I even put a ridiculously overpowered graphics card in my HTPC for this reason smile.gif

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Originally Posted by Keith Mickunas View Post

Some people like to mask off their screen as it provides better contrast. Monoprice sells a couple of screens with masking built in. Many people just make panels covered in black velvet that they fasten in place at the top and bottom of the screen.

I agree, I am looking in to masking options myself having done it with a previous screen long ago - really makes a 2:35 picture pop. Probably just going to make some more panels, since that'll end up costing $20 or so. I think there are some guides in the DYI forum.
post #940 of 3001
Thanks for the Input Ix. My viewing distance is about 11ft which according to the THX guideline...comes out to be about 110". I normally like bigger screens but the wife likes is a little smaller. I'll get the projector first and show her how 110" looks like vs 106" or 100".
post #941 of 3001
As a said above...I will be buying the 5030 soon. I am planning to mount it using the Peerless PRGUNV (black) and project it on to an Elite Sable Fixed 110" screen with CineWhite. This is my first projector but I've been reading up on this stuff for over a year. Correct me if I'm wrong but because of the 5030's lens shift....I can't really go wrong with the placement of the projector correct? I plan on centering it in the room and far back enough (about 11.5ft from the screen) but other than that it's pretty painless...yes? Thanks.

As a side note: I posted a question about warranty if purchased from Canada but you reside in the US. I confirmed from different sources at Epson that warranty will not be a problem. Basically, as long as it's purchased in North America (US, Canada & Puerto Rico), warranty is covered.
post #942 of 3001
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Originally Posted by wakkadss View Post

As a said above...I will be buying the 5030 soon. I am planning to mount it using the Peerless PRGUNV (black) and project it on to an Elite Sable Fixed 110" screen with CineWhite. This is my first projector but I've been reading up on this stuff for over a year. Correct me if I'm wrong but because of the 5030's lens shift....I can't really go wrong with the placement of the projector correct? I plan on centering it in the room and far back enough (about 11.5ft from the screen) but other than that it's pretty painless...yes? Thanks.

As a side note: I posted a question about warranty if purchased from Canada but you reside in the US. I confirmed from different sources at Epson that warranty will not be a problem. Basically, as long as it's purchased in North America (US, Canada & Puerto Rico), warranty is covered.

Yes, the Epson has plenty of lens shift flexibility in both directions. You should be fine.
post #943 of 3001
Thanks Joe.

As far as wiring...I wanted to run wiring in the ceiling from the 5030 to the AV equipment. I live in Orange County CA. Do you guys know of a cheap installer or wiring guy that can run the AV wiring? Thanks.
post #944 of 3001
Quick question.

I love this projector!

Upgraded from a recently damaged Panasonic 3000.

My projector is mounted off center left to right. This causes the picture to be slightly taller on the left side of the screen then the right.

The projector allows you to correct for trapezoid correction which takes care of differences between the widths of the image at the top and bottom, but I can't find a way to correct the difference in image heights on the left vs right.

My Panasonic allowed for this correction. Is there a way to do it on the 5030?

I suppose I could move the projector so it's centered left to right but that would put it above one of a double doorway.

Thanks in advance

Custer
post #945 of 3001
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Originally Posted by General Custer View Post

I suppose I could move the projector so it's centered left to right but that would put it above one of a double doorway.

It doesn't need to be centered left-to-right relative to the screen, because you can change the horizontal offset in the same way you change the vertical offset. If any side is longer than the other side (left-right or top-bottom) that means the front of the projector lens isn't parallel to the screen. Fix that and all the lengths will match its corresponding pair. Then you can use the horizontal and/or vertical offset to center the image on the screen.
post #946 of 3001
Thanks everyone for your help. I could not figure out what was going on with my cables. Turns out I bought a monster cable and it all worked. Go figure.
post #947 of 3001
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Originally Posted by Chucklesmcgee View Post

I have the 6020 and paid the extra money because my wife refused to have a white projector hanging from our darkened ceiling.

Same here! I had to get the black 6030 instead of the penguin 5030 even though I didn't need the extra mount, etc. Seems like everything that goes into the theater has to have a coordinated look or piano finish or whatever, which always seems to cost extra. I call it the "wife tax". smile.gif
post #948 of 3001
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Originally Posted by wakkadss View Post

As a said above...I will be buying the 5030 soon. I am planning to mount it using the Peerless PRGUNV (black) and project it on to an Elite Sable Fixed 110" screen with CineWhite. This is my first projector but I've been reading up on this stuff for over a year. Correct me if I'm wrong but because of the 5030's lens shift....I can't really go wrong with the placement of the projector correct? I plan on centering it in the room and far back enough (about 11.5ft from the screen) but other than that it's pretty painless...yes? Thanks.

Yes, it's one of the easier projectors to place. Just put it more or less in the center and the lens shift should handle the rest. Most important thing is to make sure it's properly squared off relative to your screen (see General Custers post a couple above this one to see what happens if you don't dial that in right).

How high is your ceiling? The lens will shift down a decent amount but if you've got 15 foot ceilings or more you might want to look in to an extension pole for your mount. That's the only potential issue I can think of. These things are a hell of a lot easier to place than they used to be.
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Originally Posted by wakkadss View Post

Thanks Joe.

As far as wiring...I wanted to run wiring in the ceiling from the 5030 to the AV equipment. I live in Orange County CA. Do you guys know of a cheap installer or wiring guy that can run the AV wiring? Thanks.

Just a thought - see my earlier comments on the IOGear wireless kit. So far I haven't had a problem with it and at $170 it's going to be cheaper than an HDMI cable + installation would be.
post #949 of 3001
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by General Custer View Post


My projector is mounted off center left to right. This causes the picture to be slightly taller on the left side of the screen then the right.
 

 

As others have said, it isn't the fact it is mounted off-centre that is causing the problem, it is because the PJ is not parallel to the screen. It can be tricky to get the PJ perfectly parallel to the screen because a tiny movement at the PJ can make a big movement at the screen. I have found that using a mount which allows specifically for these tiny adjustments help enormously. My Peerless mount is using a small (3 inch) extension pole and the pole can be turned in its thread a fraction at time and then secured with a locking nut. This makes it easy to adjust the PJ by really small amounts while observing the test pattern on the screen. I have found this to be much easier than loosening the ceiling bolts and trying to turn the whole mount - it is difficult to get fractional adjustments this way, I didn’t need the extension pole to drop the PJ - just added it for this one specific benefit of making adjustment more precise and more simple. My Peerless mount also has a gear system for making tiny and precise adjustments in the other planes. 

post #950 of 3001
Finally got my 5030ub friday and with my black diamond 1.4 screen it is amazing. This is used in my living room with windows, over head light, light in the background etc. and the picture still looks great. Black out the windows or when night comes around, and it looks better then the theaters IMO.

My calibration disk gets in tomorrow. It defiantly needs to be calibrated some, but right out of the box the picture still looks great.

My projector is setup 14' away from my 110" screen.

My wife and I sit 3' behind the projector. We don't notice the fan when not in eco mode while watching. If the room is dead silent we can hear it. The auto Iris I have to really listen to hear it.
Edited by FATHERFORD - 11/11/13 at 4:09am
post #951 of 3001
It's typically 4ft directly above my head, I find the fan noticeable in Eco, not unbearable in anyway, but certainly present when the soundtrack is sparse. The only time I have heard the iris was when I had no sound at all, that is the amp wasn't switched on. Panel alignment seems to be very good on my sample. Sharpness is excellent for most of the image in my set-up (picture shifted vertically up ~80%), bottom left is a little out, but that could easily be a screen twist issue as I use a pull down at 13ft. I think the only difference from the TW8200 I have and the 5030UB is the lack of THX modes in the former.
post #952 of 3001
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Originally Posted by Ix View Post

I created a customer user setting that uses "fast" image processing, along with some picture tweaks for games (basically, a brighter image, slightly over-saturated colors, that's how I like it)

Are your custom settings actually changing from fine to fast when changing between the custom saved memory settings? I did a few trials and it seems that the fine/fast setting isn't stored in the custom settings, so it stays in whatever mode it was already in.
post #953 of 3001
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Originally Posted by varkeast View Post

Are your custom settings actually changing from fine to fast when changing between the custom saved memory settings? I did a few trials and it seems that the fine/fast setting isn't stored in the custom settings, so it stays in whatever mode it was already in.

Shoot, I didn't look. That would suck - it's a lot of menu hops to get to that option.
post #954 of 3001
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Originally Posted by Ix View Post

Shoot, I didn't look. That would suck - it's a lot of menu hops to get to that option.

yea its a total pain, hopefully I wasnt doing something right (which is entirely possible)...
post #955 of 3001
PJ is finally mounted. Screen was supposed to arrive last week....sigh...still waiting. Supposed to be here on the 13th.
Everything else is setup.
Throw disnce of about 14 feet.
Viewing distance about the same. 135" screen.
post #956 of 3001
Has anyone had any direct experience with the Samsung SSG-4100GB vs Panasonic TY-ER3D4MU glasses?

The 5100GB are not sold at Best Buy right now and that's where I'll be picking up my projector. To compensate for the lower prices found online (because those purchases are not taxed) my Best Buy will give me the projector for $2499+tax and toss in either 4 pairs of Samsung glasses or two pairs of the Panasonic.

CNET favors the Panasonic slightly, but wanted to know if anyone else has had some real world experience. Thank you!
post #957 of 3001
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Originally Posted by Cyberathlete View Post

Has anyone had any direct experience with the Samsung SSG-4100GB vs Panasonic TY-ER3D4MU glasses?

The 5100GB are not sold at Best Buy right now and that's where I'll be picking up my projector. To compensate for the lower prices found online (because those purchases are not taxed) my Best Buy will give me the projector for $2499+tax and toss in either 4 pairs of Samsung glasses or two pairs of the Panasonic.

CNET favors the Panasonic slightly, but wanted to know if anyone else has had some real world experience. Thank you!

Well, the Panasonics are better hands down - better fit, blocks out your surroundings, and rechargeable USB, not to mention more expensive - so If I were you I'd take the two and then just buy two more of the 5100GB's online if you need extras.

That is, unless you have a lot of younger kids that will be using them, in which case I'd go with more of the cheaper ones because in my experience kids under the age of 10 are terrible with 3D glasses of any kind. If you aren't there to watch them, or don't already rule your house with an iron fist, they will get left on the floor. They will get sat on. They will get covered with sticky candy residue. They will get lost and eventually found in the strangest places. And if they are active like these, they will constantly turn them off when they need them, leave them on when they don't, and figure out ways to de-sync them from your PJ. Sometimes all of these in the course of one movie.

I'm convinced this is one the big reasons 3D never really took off in the home, because of kids and glasses.
post #958 of 3001
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PJ is finally mounted. Screen was supposed to arrive last week....sigh...still waiting. Supposed to be here on the 13th.
Everything else is setup.
Throw disnce of about 14 feet.
Viewing distance about the same. 135" screen.

 

Please be sure and post your thoughts on your setup when you get some viewing time.  Should be practically identical to mine.

post #959 of 3001
Does anyone know what "Epson Super White" does? I found enabling it in THX mode blew out my darks, so when looking at calibration patterns from AVS HD 709 i couldnt make out of the dark bars from 16-24, but turning it off i saw them fine.
post #960 of 3001
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Originally Posted by Ix View Post

Well, the Panasonics are better hands down - better fit, blocks out your surroundings, and rechargeable USB, not to mention more expensive - so If I were you I'd take the two and then just buy two more of the 5100GB's online if you need extras.

That is, unless you have a lot of younger kids that will be using them, in which case I'd go with more of the cheaper ones because in my experience kids under the age of 10 are terrible with 3D glasses of any kind. If you aren't there to watch them, or don't already rule your house with an iron fist, they will get left on the floor. They will get sat on. They will get covered with sticky candy residue. They will get lost and eventually found in the strangest places. And if they are active like these, they will constantly turn them off when they need them, leave them on when they don't, and figure out ways to de-sync them from your PJ. Sometimes all of these in the course of one movie.

I'm convinced this is one the big reasons 3D never really took off in the home, because of kids and glasses.

Thanks!

I don't have kids in the household but do have nephews and nieces visit sometimes. So first choice would be Panasonic then. Thank you!
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