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post #31 of 197
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Originally Posted by mbw23air View Post

It says experience first-hand the thrilling realism of JVC's new UltraHD 4k Reference Series projectors. Do you think they are showing a prototype of next years UHD projector? If so, why is it plural and it does say their new projectors like it is this years models. What am I missing here? I mean I know the thread title is 2014-2015 native 4k w/ 8k eshift rumors but wouldn't if JVC showed a UHD prototype this year cannibalize sales from this years models?

Mike

That would be very rude of them wink.gif
post #32 of 197
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Originally Posted by Gradius2 View Post

I don't.

In fact, I knew it would happens too.

But 1080p will be here for 10 years or so (mark my words!).

I knew it would to, some thought it would be a waste. It wasn't about if anyone needed eshift 8K, its about selling projectors and many would buy it for the 8K eshift. But 1080p is going to be here for at least 7 more years. When the next console is released with a higher resolution in 7 years, then things might change. I am going to be using my 1080p LED projector for 10+ years.
post #33 of 197
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Originally Posted by blee0120 View Post

That would be very rude of them wink.gif

I hope you make your way over there now to see them and report back. wink.gif
post #34 of 197

Oh, ok...so apparently this means that, contrary to previous rumors, JVC actually is introducing real 4K projectors this year. (I'm sure they wouldn't invite people with an advert that promises Ultra HD 4K projectors only to
say "nah, just kidding...it's just E-shift again!")
post #35 of 197
The eshift line has always been called 4k, so it's tricky to know what they mean. It might mean eshift with UHD input.
post #36 of 197
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Originally Posted by mbw23air View Post

I hope you make your way over there now to see them and report back. wink.gif

Sony and JVC are making it hard to wait until next year. The only thing that helping me wait until next year is that there is very little 4K content, with the Sony Server being the only movies. I would love to see Total Recall in 4K, I thought that movie looked great on my RS48
post #37 of 197
JVC showed a 4K projector 4 years ago at CES. They've had native 4K for years. Pricey though.
post #38 of 197
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Originally Posted by Craig Peer View Post

JVC showed a 4K projector 4 years ago at CES. They've had native 4K for years. Pricey though.

Their advertising on that brochure ad just makes it sound like it is part of their new line is all.
post #39 of 197
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Originally Posted by Craig Peer View Post

JVC showed a 4K projector 4 years ago at CES. They've had native 4K for years. Pricey though.

Get use to the word "pricey" when JVC does hit the 4k market.
post #40 of 197
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Originally Posted by R Harkness View Post

Oh, ok...so apparently this means that, contrary to previous rumors, JVC actually is introducing real 4K projectors this year. (I'm sure they wouldn't invite people with an advert that promises Ultra HD 4K projectors only to
say "nah, just kidding...it's just E-shift again!")

No it's said, next year for the end of 2014.
post #41 of 197
End of 2014 is timely....4K source material will be available by then.
post #42 of 197
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Originally Posted by Fat Dave View Post

The eshift line has always been called 4k, so it's tricky to know what they mean. It might mean eshift with UHD input.

That's exactly what it means.
post #43 of 197
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Originally Posted by R Harkness View Post

I'm feeling the same way. Someone needing a new projector will buy one, but for many of us this is the year to skip, given E-shift has been available for a couple of years and the true 4K models and general refresh of the line looks like it should happen next year.
(With the caveat of wondering if JVC did indeed increase the contrast this year employing a DI or whatever).

If attending Cedia was based on just seeing projectors, then I probably would have only went to one. As it stands now, I will be driving over 2k miles for the one in Denver. I hope Denver is as great as it has been made out to be.

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Originally Posted by blee0120 View Post

I knew it would to, some thought it would be a waste. It wasn't about if anyone needed eshift 8K, its about selling projectors and many would buy it for the 8K eshift. But 1080p is going to be here for at least 7 more years. When the next console is released with a higher resolution in 7 years, then things might change. I am going to be using my 1080p LED projector for 10+ years.

1080p will be around for along time in the cheap pjs, but by 2020 everything over $1k will be 4k and up.
post #44 of 197
Denver and the rest of the state of Colorado is a fantastic place to visit. when the show was in Denver in the past, I always spent a week elsewhere in the state seeing the sites. Aspen, Vail, Boulder, Telluride. Flying in small light planes. Lots of things to do and see. Of course, there can be a big difference in weather this time of year rather than late August, the first week in September. Some of the mountain roads actually close September 1st.

Re projectors, Sony will make the biggest splash with its three new projectors. The official release of the leaked replacement 1000ES at IFA. Epson will have some surprises. Red digital will be showing things but with Red its more like futurama at Disneyland no matter hiow long they say until delivery. The Redray I ordered in December still hasn't shipped and reportedly the software still needs considerable work. Nothing on their forum as to what they will be showing. For two months now they have been saying, new orders are expected to ship in 2 to 3 weeks.

Re JVC. Evolutionary new models. I can't stand the JVC fan boys. It makes sense for them not to have a real 4K consumer model this year. Not enough 4K source material. Real smart of them. Then WTF did they put a 4K input on their machines this year? Why bother if no sources. Once again, the JVC machines this year will offer improved performance and represent great value for those that don't want to spend the bucks for the Sony 500ES or don't have the bucks, the real true reason for most. I think after JVC shows the evolutionary improvement this year, many of the JVC boys will be flipping their projectors this year.
post #45 of 197
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Originally Posted by R Harkness View Post

I'm feeling the same way. Someone needing a new projector will buy one, but for many of us this is the year to skip, given E-shift has been available for a couple of years and the true 4K models and general refresh of the line looks like it should happen next year.
(With the caveat of wondering if JVC did indeed increase the contrast this year employing a DI or whatever).


No doubt. For someone who has an old model really wanting to upgrade or those new in the market, I can see MUCH more reason to upgrade vs those of us who have a JVC only a year or two old. None of the new features announced at this point are anywhere close to compelling enough for me to flip my 45 right now, but that is just me. If I really felt the need to do something to my system this year, it would be somewhere other than the video side.

I might still go to the show for the social aspect. Does Monster still throw that massive BBQ with blu ray giveaways on Sat? The AVS gathering was always fun I thought. Was I seeing things, or was Kid Rock at the AVS party the year the RS1 debuted here in Denver? I was a number of drinks in at that point, so if someone could confirm or deny that, it would be great. tongue.gif
post #46 of 197
There was a Kid Rock imitator as well as imitators for a few other celebs. Sort of like faux or e-shift 4k. smile.gif To me, that was the best AV Science party. That club closed however. They had an outdoor ground level seating area great for cigar smoking and making contact with a lot of industry people walking by.
Edited by mark haflich - 9/14/13 at 11:17am
post #47 of 197
With the JVC info available so far I don't see how I could make an upgrade decision. I probably won't upgrade but neither have I ruled it out. Personally I can't make a smart decision on this until the facts are known. Is next year the right year for 4K? I don't know that either but even then one might be better off waiting another year for issues to be worked out and content availability to improve and prices to decline. I'm thinking I'm not going to make the jump to 4K next year as it'll entail a pricy projector, a pricey Lumagen (a true 4K model to replace my Mini), and another blu ray player. Given this upgrading this year may make some sense depending on what JVC announces (I was actually hoping to jump to Sony but I'm not interested in the 55ES and the 500ES is too expensive (and too soon given my reasoning) but what were they thinking by not having another model between these two machines.

Then again what JVC marketing announces and what JVC delivers may differ (JVC marketing must have a good supply of excellent weed). So even if I should be excited about what JVC announces I'll wait until there's enough feedback to see how well they perform (absolutely NO more JVC preorders for me).....
Edited by Geof - 9/14/13 at 10:17am
post #48 of 197
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Originally Posted by mark haflich View Post

There was a Kid Rock imitator as well as imitators for a few other celebs. Sort of like faux or e-shift 4k. smile.gif To me, that was the best AV Science party. That club closed however. They had an outdoor ground level seating are great for cigar smoking and making contact with a lot of industry people walking by.


Now it all makes sense! biggrin.gif That was definitely my favorite AVS party of the three in Denver as well, or are you saying best out of all the Cedia AVS events over the years?
post #49 of 197
In my book, the best AVS party over all the years.

And the JVC guys are so straight that connecting between two points not coincident looks like a curve in comparison.
Edited by mark haflich - 9/14/13 at 5:20pm
post #50 of 197
I think most people are talking out of their arse when it comes to what JVC will or won't show this year. There is a lot of speculation based on the info out there but people have been wrong in the past. We won't know anything for sure until the show. True 4K may or may not be there, but with the absolute dearth of content, I could honestly care less. Being ahead of the curve right now means little to nothing right now. As long as they're true 4K when there is actually some real quantity to 4K playback material they'll be fine. I think it's great that Sony is pushing it out there, it only helps getting material here faster. But I don't see any reason for any manufacturer to rush out 4K playback devices until there is more out there to watch. I'll gladly wait another year and let the tech mature and come down in price, just in time for some 4K Blu-ray to arrive.
post #51 of 197
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Originally Posted by Kris Deering View Post

I think most people are talking out of their arse when it comes to what JVC will or won't show this year. There is a lot of speculation based on the info out there but people have been wrong in the past. We won't know anything for sure until the show. True 4K may or may not be there, but with the absolute dearth of content, I could honestly care less. Being ahead of the curve right now means little to nothing right now. As long as they're true 4K when there is actually some real quantity to 4K playback material they'll be fine. I think it's great that Sony is pushing it out there, it only helps getting material here faster. But I don't see any reason for any manufacturer to rush out 4K playback devices until there is more out there to watch. I'll gladly wait another year and let the tech mature and come down in price, just in time for some 4K Blu-ray to arrive.

Gotta love the frankness!

Looking forward to someone doing a comparison between a Native 4K panel and an 2K-4K e-shifted panel with UHD inputs with UHD material and seeing at what viewing ratio the difference becomes apparent.
post #52 of 197
I think most people were only offering speculation, not claims of knowledge.

And speculating is part of the fun.
post #53 of 197
Nobody would be on the forum if we couldn't speculate or try to predict the perfect projector in our price range.
post #54 of 197
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Originally Posted by kraine View Post


JVC has lost this year battle against SONY without being able to offer opponents to the VW1000ES or the VW500ES so maybe the fight will start again next year.

JVC has not lost any battle. The VW500ES sells for almost 9000 UK pounds. That is more than 4 times the cost of an X35!

When the VW1000ES came out, Sony strongly hinted it would be upgradable to support whatever standards came out for UHD after its release. Well, this seems to be true, but it will require sending the projector away and will have a cost associated with it. It is hoped that whatever Blu-ray 4K requires such as HDCP 2.2 and colourspace and all the other things can be done with a firmware upgrade to the VW500ES...but may it too will require sending away and a cost upgrade.

JVC have played safe this year by not releasing something just to grab a headline.

This is two companies hedging their bets in different ways. Nobody has won or lost any battle here.
post #55 of 197
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Originally Posted by JonStatt View Post

JVC have played safe this year by not releasing something just to grab a headline

rolleyes.gif Ok, you really believe that? Sound like JVC fanboy to me...
post #56 of 197
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Originally Posted by RickAVManiac View Post

rolleyes.gif Ok, you really believe that? Sound like JVC fanboy to me...

Well say what you want. I buy whatever is best for me...I honestly don't care what brand it is. Your comment sounds like Sony fanboyism to me! :P I am a bit old for fanboy nonsense...grew out of that decades ago.

If you search my previous posts, before anybody announced projectors this year, I said 4K is not ready and it would be better for big corporates like Sony and JVC to get it right rather than release something that risks not working with Blu-ray 4K or needs to be sent away for upgrades before a year is even over.
post #57 of 197
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Originally Posted by JonStatt View Post

Well say what you want. I buy whatever is best for me...I honestly don't care what brand it is. Your comment sounds like Sony fanboyism to me! :P I am a bit old for fanboy nonsense...grew out of that decades ago.

If you search my previous posts, before anybody announced projectors this year, I said 4K is not ready and it would be better for big corporates like Sony and JVC to get it right rather than release something that risks not working with Blu-ray 4K or needs to be sent away for upgrades before a year is even over.


Do not assume that it will need to be sent away. Are you old enough to remember when the family doctor made house calls? smile.gif
post #58 of 197
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Originally Posted by mark haflich View Post

Do not assume that it will need to be sent away. Are you old enough to remember when the family doctor made house calls? smile.gif

I do remember Doctor house calls as a child. I had a few visits from the local Doc back then smile.gif

The VW1000 will need to be sent away and it will also cost money. This was mentioned on the UK forums by Steve Withers in discussion with Sony. It is hoped the VW500 will only require firmware upgrades, but it is not a guarantee.
post #59 of 197
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Originally Posted by RickAVManiac View Post

rolleyes.gif Ok, you really believe that? Sound like JVC fanboy to me...

JVC will sell more projectors this year still, not everyone spends $10K+ on projectors. JVC really has not lost because they didn't come out with an expensive 4K projector.
post #60 of 197
Well JVC will lose the over $12K sales to Sony but Sony will lose the under $12K sales to JVC. They are targeting different incomes and audiences.
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