Originally Posted by moob
Reference cards with reference coolers. They're always horrible. My slightly OC'ed 7970GHz tops out at around 62°C during the summer with a non-reference air cooler (now it's even lower). The stock 7970GHz was over 80°C when it was released. That's how much AMD stock coolers suck.
In any case, it's $549 for a card that goes toe-to-toe with the Titan that costs nearly twice as much, and bests the 780 that costs at least $100 more...how is that not impressive? Even when the non-reference cards drop they probably won't be that much more expensive.
Not that any of this matters much to me because I'd never pay that much for a GPU. lol I got my 7970GHz for $360 about a year ago but $400 is probably the most I'd pay for a card. I have no loyalty to either the Red or Green teams...I just go for whatever's the best value. For a long time that was Nvidia (the very first stand-alone GPU that I bought for myself was a GeForce 2 MX400...so many hours lost playing MoHAA...), but AMD's taken that crown last 2-3 years. That being said, if Mantle ends up being significant, that could sway me even more down the line.
It's not impressive to me simply because it's already so OC'd out of the box that AMD states it will run at 95c and that's just fine with them. IE, you'll be lucky to be able to OC any higher without being on a waterblock. This insane OC is the only way it trades blows with a STOCK Titan with no OC. And as I said, my 780 can best a STOCK Titan too and I've barely got a 100Mhz OC on it and it runs nowhere near 95c.
Reviews have been quite lackluster and some have noted an 11 minute cooldown time from 95c to 47c, that's absolutely ridiculous and shows an incredibly poor design on the heat side. My 6870 which only had the reference fan didn't take anywhere NEAR that long to cool down. And the slower memory clock also hampers it, especially due to the operating temp being that high. My major issue is still the fact that AMD removed the possibility of personal overclocking on it JUST to barely beat a Titan.
That's why I'm not impressed, at all. I already said price point is nice for a space heater that can also game. I'm not a fanboy one way or the other, my previous comp was AMD all around and I like them, this one is Intel/Nvidia, I'm just not going purely by performance for price. Especially when heat levels are that high, and the ability to do your own OC'ing is pretty much dead without a custom water loop that will set you back 200-300 bucks for a single card alone. I was very interested in the 290X until the official reviews and data started popping up.
The 290X seems like AMD just chasing after the Titan saying "Wait for me! Wait for me! I'm a contender too!" I have a very strong feeling the 290X typical lifespan is going to be quite short with that operating temp.Edited by Marafice Eye - 10/25/13 at 5:44am