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post #301 of 428
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Originally Posted by TyrantII View Post

So, anyone tinker with it yet this weekend?

Honestly, I don't personally see the point if you already have an existing Windows license. I mean, the biggest benefit here in my mind is that OEMs will now be able to sell gaming PCs without paying the Windows licensing fee, but if you already have a Windows PC up and running, I don't know why you wouldn't just set it to auto-start Steam Big Picture at boot.

At some point in the future, maybe that'll change, but for now I just don't see a reason to.
Edited by jhoff80 - 12/15/13 at 7:42am
post #302 of 428
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Originally Posted by jhoff80 View Post

Honestly, I don't personally see the point if you already have an existing Windows license. I mean, the biggest benefit here in my mind is that OEMs will now be able to sell gaming PCs without paying the Windows licensing fee, but if you already have a Windows PC up and running, I don't know why you wouldn't just set it to auto-start Steam Big Picture at boot.

At some point in the future, maybe that'll change, but for now I just don't see a reason to.
I think there will be an added benefit of better frame rates for the games that are developed for it. Having an OS that is stripped down for gaming with not a ton of crap running in the background is a good thing. Now that I am on my weekend I will download it and partition my USB 3.0 drive and give it a whirl and see how it plays. I would like to find a game I already own that I can install on both windows and Steam OS to compare.
post #303 of 428
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Originally Posted by jhoff80 View Post

Honestly, I don't personally see the point if you already have an existing Windows license. I mean, the biggest benefit here in my mind is that OEMs will now be able to sell gaming PCs without paying the Windows licensing fee, but if you already have a Windows PC up and running, I don't know why you wouldn't just set it to auto-start Steam Big Picture at boot.

At some point in the future, maybe that'll change, but for now I just don't see a reason to.

Yeah, it's just a curiosity at this point. But I think it'll improve very rapidly. The neat thing about SteamOS is that it's open source. People won't have to wait for Valve to implement a feature, they'll just hack it right in. Maybe valve doesn't want to make it too easy to dual boot....give it a few days and Linux nerds will have that part figured out.

I'm also glad to see the desktop is still available underneath it. All I really need is chrome(ium) and it's everything I need a desktop to do. I could easily see myself running steamOS as my primary in a year or two.
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Steam Machine beta opened up:
post #305 of 428
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Originally Posted by DaverJ View Post

Steam Machine beta opened up:
Excellent, it does have connectors for dual hard drives. So in essence you could put a Windows based hard drive on there and dual boot if you wanted too. Judging by the size I am not sure if you go with a desktop hard drive though. Looks pretty small.
post #306 of 428
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Originally Posted by Arutha_conDoin View Post

Excellent, it does have connectors for dual hard drives. So in essence you could put a Windows based hard drive on there and dual boot if you wanted too. Judging by the size I am not sure if you go with a desktop hard drive though. Looks pretty small.

Yeah, they're 2.5" drives. Makes sense nowadays...SSDs and hybrids are 2.5.

I wonder how long it currently takes to boot? Ideally they need to get it under 10 seconds.
post #307 of 428
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Originally Posted by bd2003 View Post

Yeah, they're 2.5" drives. Makes sense nowadays...SSDs and hybrids are 2.5.

I wonder how long it currently takes to boot? Ideally they need to get it under 10 seconds.
Only problem with the 2.5" drives is it seems you can not get the space like you can with the bigger ones. Oh well pros and Cons to each one.
post #308 of 428
If that's the Asrock Z87E-ITX motherboard like I've heard a few places say (I can't watch the video at the moment), there's also an mSATA slot on the bottom of the board that you could put an SSD into.


I've got a 256GB Plextor one in my gaming / media PC that uses the same board. That's more than enough for Windows and a few games (but admittedly most of my games are on a separate 1TB SSD)... though if you need more space Samsung also supposedly has a 1TB mSATA card coming out soon for some exorbitant price. biggrin.gif

Edit: I'm near certain now that it is that board. There's an Asrock boot logo, plus Asrock doesn't have any other Haswell boards with wifi... and the port layout is identical to my board as well.

A bunch of (unfortunately, mostly blurry) pictures are at:
http://steammachinebetatester.tumblr.com/

More are at: http://imgur.com/a/LpuE8

That front light looks way too bright, they should've made it dimmable. Other than that though, looks nice.
tumblr_mxtguyllvp1t89ljvo1_1280.jpg
Edited by jhoff80 - 12/16/13 at 8:17am
post #309 of 428
Great comparison video of Metro Last night of Steam OS and Windows. Corey even pulls up the Config files and shows what the differences are between the two.
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Corey also has it setup for dual booting Steam OS and Win 7 Enterprise.
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Any summaries? I really don't want to spend 6 minutes watching what I could read in 15 seconds.
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It'd be nice if the performance comparison was comparing like to like. The Windows version of Last Light is DX11, and the Linux version obviously is OpenGL only. For seeing the actual difference between the two, he needs to play a game that is OpenGL on Windows as well.
post #313 of 428
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Originally Posted by bd2003 View Post

Any summaries? I really don't want to spend 6 minutes watching what I could read in 15 seconds.

In summary - PhysX is a real framerate killer in certain unoptimized sections of games. wink.gif

Apparently there's no PhysX support in the current Linux build of Metro Last Light, so it gets better framerate than the Windows version *with PhysX enabled*. But when he matched the Windows config to what the Linux allowed (i.e. turning off PhysX), the framerate between the two versions were comparable.
post #314 of 428
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Originally Posted by bd2003 View Post

Any summaries? I really don't want to spend 6 minutes watching what I could read in 15 seconds.
It's called fast forwarding to the end;) I never did see a summary in the comments. I do think he had one towards the end of the video. From what I saw he had to mess with the config file to get the two to match on settings since under steam OS it does not have the near the same settings as what Windows does.
To be honest I am impressed with how solid framerates are already with the SteamOS. I do think it will get better with time as developers learn it and OpenGL as well.
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Steam Controller on Windows:
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Teaser for CES 2014? I'll try and post things for Steam Machines as I come about them as I am off Monday and Tuesday, but if my 49ers loose I may be heartbroken for a few weeks.tongue.gif
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Originally Posted by Arutha_conDoin View Post

Teaser for CES 2014? I'll try and post things for Steam Machines as I come about them as I am off Monday and Tuesday, but if my 49ers loose I may be heartbroken for a few weeks.tongue.gif

I'll be at CES from Wed - Fri, and first place I'm going is the Valve booth.
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Originally Posted by Marafice Eye View Post

I'll be at CES from Wed - Fri, and first place I'm going is the Valve booth.
I'm jealous. Well CES dates suck for me since I am back to work on Wed. I guess I will not be posting much at all unless I see the articles before I head to bed.
post #319 of 428
Valve Press conference tonight at 8pm EST for CES 2014. Rumor has it they will have 12 partners showing off the Steam Machines.
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So here's a valid question:

Do any of you plan on investing $500 to $1000 on a Linux-based box that plays PC games.
post #321 of 428
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Originally Posted by HeadRusch View Post

So here's a valid question:

Do any of you plan on investing $500 to $1000 on a Linux-based box that plays PC games.

I'll invest $40 on a hard drive to dual boot.
post #322 of 428
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Originally Posted by HeadRusch View Post

So here's a valid question:

Do any of you plan on investing $500 to $1000 on a Linux-based box that plays PC games.

Maybe?

Although I'm finding that I'm not doing as much living-room gaming as I used to. Having a dedicated game TV is ideal for my situation.

Also remember that these things are open, so throw a Windows install and Steam Machines can become full-fledged standard PCs.

I'm curious if someone can create a Linux front-end so we can have media streaming with gaming on Steam Machines. Maybe Netflix will do a Linux version at some point, but doubtful because of the whole DRM/Silverlight thing.
post #323 of 428
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Originally Posted by DaverJ View Post

Maybe?
Right....I have no idea who wants this thing. The Ouya is cute in that "its the price of a good meal in the City" kind of way, but these are more
"So I'm buying a PC that doesn't run Windows and it costs a lot and it will run, well, whatever games I can get via Steam that supports Linux..."

Who's buying this?

Smells like 3DO to me! The amazing system that nobody needs at that price!

However, I'm not Gabe so I'm sure there's a business decision there that makes sense or they wouldn't be going down this road...unless Gabe things
Valve has only one-shot to carve out a piece of the Livingroom market because IOS is "probably going to enter this game officially at some point" with
greater game pairing between IOS and APPLETV products........probably thinks Microsoft and Apple by themselves aren't really trying to secure the
"Living Room PC" Market anymore.....so he's staking his claim. Speculation, of course.
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Although I'm finding that I'm not doing as much living-room gaming as I used to. Having a dedicated game TV is ideal for my situation.

Now you're just confusing me smile.gif
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Also remember that these things are open, so throw a Windows install and Steam Machines can become full-fledged standard PCs.

Wow, yeah I expect that to be a smooth and easy process for Joe Home User. It's like Valve is about to market NERD BOXES....FOR NERDS.
Except, Nerds already own their own nerd boxes......so why would they buy another one, a little special one just for their TV's? I'm still trying to
wrap my head around the marketing on this thing.
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I'm curious if someone can create a Linux front-end so we can have media streaming with gaming on Steam Machines. Maybe Netflix will do a Linux version at some point, but doubtful because of the whole DRM/Silverlight thing.
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Again....you can do this with any Windows PC with an HDMI port........so why would you buy a Linux-based hardware solution that will run less games on STEAM than you could if you had a PC with STEAM installed.
I dunno, I really can't wait for the big reveal on this one smile.gif
post #324 of 428
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Originally Posted by HeadRusch View Post

So here's a valid question:

Do any of you plan on investing $500 to $1000 on a Linux-based box that plays PC games.
I'll survey what is coming out. Based on the Beta Steam Machine I would jump on that for $100. Especially knowing there is room for a second Drive in there to add Win 8.
post #325 of 428
Someone already announced one that dual boots windows and SteamOS. I'd be surprised if they don't all have that option for an extra $99 or whatever a windows license costs nowadays.

I agree that the expensive ($299+), Linux only steambox is kind of a headscratcher at the moment, but it needs some time. Technically it's launching with more games than the x1 and PS4....so it's not completely useless. But I wouldn't want to go without windows just yet.
post #326 of 428
Because one of the things they're doing with the SteamBox is game streaming. Most of us have Steam on a Windows PC already, so stream it right from your Windows machine to your SteamBox. Then you're not hassling with what games run on Linux and what games don't.

That's a function for those of us who have an established Windows game base. For new people it's just like buying a next gen console, with more launch titles, better components, and upgradability.

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post #327 of 428
As it is now, I don't see anyone really wanting it. I think the promise is in the future. I myself could not understand what the need for such a device could be when we were first learning of this.

But if it's possible to play the entire steam library on one of these I think it will be promising. If devs could focus on a more efficient linux version of the game. This can only happen if valve convinces everyone the steam OS is worth it.

Right now it's definitely not worth it.

I keep meaning to set aside some space for another OS, but my interest level is just not that high.



Streaming doesn't make sense to me either. Now instead of one machine you're engaging resources from two separate devices.

I only have one machine with an nvidia card so I can't try out the streaming if I ever get this thing going.
Edited by Yrd - 1/6/14 at 12:49pm
post #328 of 428
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As it is now, I don't see anyone really wanting it. I think the promise is in the future. I myself could not understand what the need for such a device could be when we were first learning of this.

But if it's possible to play the entire steam library on one of these I think it will be promising. If devs could focus on a more efficient linux version of the game. This can only happen if valve convinces everyone the steam OS is worth it.

Right now it's definitely not worth it.

I keep meaning to set aside some space for another OS, but my interest level is just not that high.



Streaming doesn't make sense to me either. Now instead of one machine you're engaging resources from two separate devices.

I only have one machine with an nvidia card so I can't try out the streaming if I ever get this thing going.

That's the point though, unless your gaming rig is in your theater/living room (for most folks here, it is so you're not the target) this enables you to leave your gaming rig in its location and have a smaller form factor device in your theater/living room with a wireless controller to stream anything installed regardless of the fact that the SteamBox runs Linux.
post #329 of 428
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Originally Posted by Marafice Eye View Post

That's the point though, unless your gaming rig is in your theater/living room (for most folks here, it is so you're not the target) this enables you to leave your gaming rig in its location and have a smaller form factor device in your theater/living room with a wireless controller to stream anything installed regardless of the fact that the SteamBox runs Linux.

Isn't this what Nvidia just did with its $200 Shield handset, though? No Linux....etc.
post #330 of 428
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Originally Posted by HeadRusch View Post

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Originally Posted by Marafice Eye View Post

That's the point though, unless your gaming rig is in your theater/living room (for most folks here, it is so you're not the target) this enables you to leave your gaming rig in its location and have a smaller form factor device in your theater/living room with a wireless controller to stream anything installed regardless of the fact that the SteamBox runs Linux.

Isn't this what Nvidia just did with its $200 Shield handset, though? No Linux....etc.

Not quite. With the shield you have to own an Nvidia card (Granted SteamOS needs Nvidia right now, it won't soon.) and the streamable library for shield is very small. Aside from that, you're on what? A 6 inch screen with the shield instead of your home setup?

Shoot if I really wanted to I could stream my PC right to my Nexus, but that doesn't mean it would be a functionally perfect experience, which is what Valve's trying to do with the streaming.

I know I'd use a SteamBox for my living room when they get to a non-beta point and the streaming works. I've got something like 707 games on steam and don't want my rig in the living room, but I also can't show off games to friends and let them play easily with it in my room, so having a fully functional SteamBox with working streaming would be awesome.
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