Originally Posted by thedest
Yep! Im including media/battery costs.
Everywhere I look people are talking about the 5D having 14 stops. Where did you came up with 12 stops?
Color bit depth is not dynamic range. Also, only some people have started talking about it having 14 stops very recently because of the new Dual ISO feature. Before this past couple of months no one ever said the 5D3 had anywhere near 14 stops. Almost no one even uses DUAL ISO. I plan to. It's a great feature, but for video you have to use it carefully and splitting it like ISO 200 and ISO 1600 can introduce some of the worst aliasing your eyes have ever seen. I don't know if they've found a way to manage this better with better processing, but last I saw for video is was best used only in certain circumstances.
Under normal circumstances the 5D3 absolutely does not have 14 stops or even close to it....excluding DUAL ISO, HDR Video and HDR photo modes of course. DXOMark is one of many who rated it. They list all of their findings in their graphs and charts.
- The BMCC 4k (or even the 2k) has a great price and features, but what keeps me away from it is the form factor. I want a camera for small clips in a family vocation. For handheld shooting. I cant imagine me holding a big blackmagic on the beach. What do you think about handheld shooting with them?
Yes, that's its flaw. I've owned the BlackMagic Cinema 2.5k MFT model. It's very awkward to hold handheld and it's heavy. It can be done, but it's not the best handheld experience ever. lol. They're definitely made for a cage or a rig. After that its easy. Their 4k camera also has global shutter, so no rolling shutter/jello whatsoever.
- The BMPCC could be an option, but I dont know if 1080p is future proof. Next year we will probably see a lot of prosumer 4k cameras. How many stops do we have in the ProRes 422 of the pocket-cam?
Thanks for the big answer!
Well, we have to remember that almost no one has 4k or views in 4k & won't for some time. Even if they do how many will care one iota? Virtually none. 4k makes a bigger difference on a 40 foot screen than a small one. Most people will still not have 4k over the next several years. Almost every delivery format is 1080p or less, especially online. Almost all web delivery is 1080p or less. 99.9% of all TVs owned are 1080p or less. Avatar was shot in 1080p. Made nearly $3 billion dollars. I'm into filmmaking and I couldn't care less about 4k, to be honest. It's a memory/bandwith hog that belongs in cinemas only right now and unless you're screening on a 20-40 foot screen it's mostly a waste considering that ultimately it's going to be downscaled back to 1080p so real people can see it. Resolution is the most overrated aspect of image quality. Dynamic range and color are hands down more important at this point. They are the real difference between a consumer video look and a cinematic film look, not resolution. The only reason I care about 4k at all is for A) reframing shots and adding post stabilization for hand held shots. B) Chroma keying. In time I'd like 4k, but right now....it's just not ready.
The Pocket camera should have about the same stops of DR or very close at ISO 800. So 13, and at least 12. The good thing is it does high dynamic range at higher ISO, so in moderate light where you have to bump up a DLSR to 1,600 ISO losing stops of DR, the BMCC is still at its maximum DR. Add a speedbooster and you get a wider field of view, add a stop of light and basically have a native ISO 1,600 with 13 stops of Dynamic range for under 2k. The only cinema cameras with high native ISOs are the Sony F5, Sony F55 and Red Dragon cameras....that I'm aware of.Edited by MTyson - 9/21/13 at 12:42pm