or Connect
AVS › AVS Forum › Display Devices › Screens › DIY Screen Section › Another 2.35:1 Silver Fire on Drywall Project taking off.
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

Another 2.35:1 Silver Fire on Drywall Project taking off. - Page 2

post #31 of 95
Thread Starter 
Ok....I'm back up and gettin' back at it. Gotta swin there though....3" of rain has fallen the last 4 hours. Early this AM the sound of rain hitting the roof top just 3 ' above my head helped keep me awake so there is that.

Pics are coming, so set your alarm clocks!
post #32 of 95
We had heavy rains last night here too, although we very much welcome it since the last couple of years has been far and few between, but know what you mean when the sound of the rain hitting the window overshadows everything else.

Looking forward for the final reveled... hahah, too many DIY shows. tongue.gif
post #33 of 95
Thread Starter 
Took a quick jaunt Home for a beef brisket dinner. Managed to get all the Fibers into the Matrix except the final 25 "Shooting Star" ones...and that happens when I return.

As does hooking up the BD-DVD and PJ and getting some screenies.

Saturday (...or maybe tomorrow... PM ) the screen trim goes up, and on Monday all equipment for the Theater and Home systems will be installed

Here are 3 shots of what I'm dealing with...or was.......





The screen shots will be up before sunrise.......
post #34 of 95
wake up brother show us some eye candy!!!!!
post #35 of 95
Thread Starter 
............how about before Sunset? I worked up until 10 am, and you can believe that stepping back to take approx. 70 screen shots was no9 easy task. But all ya all have waited patiently so what else could I do? tongue.gif

First off, this is the Theater Room w/paint scheme, Carpet, Star Field, and the lighting level you see is the Level all Screenies were taken at except those obviously taken with the Cans off. However, the Big 5' Double Door was "always" open



The next shot is a picture of the Screen's lack of Texture. The shot is a macro, at 4000 x 2288 Pixel resolution.



And now........cool.gif













The off axis shots below of the Screen clearly so virtually no loss of viewing cone, yet I estimate this Screen is at least 1.3 gain




The Stars


post #36 of 95
Nicely done!!!
post #37 of 95
Bravo!!! biggrin.gif
post #38 of 95
Wow! Jaw dropping eye candy great job I can see your smile from
here. It's Miller time!!!!!!!
post #39 of 95
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by greg1292 View Post

Wow! Jaw dropping eye candy great job I can see your smile from
here. It's Miller time!!!!!!!

Look again at the Leeloo face shots, second from the Top on left. Who Dat? eek.gif
>

I only made it that far because of my cooler being stocked with Sam Adams Octoberfest. If all I had was Miller to quaff, I'd have died around 1 AM.

So Monday all the A/V equipment goes in....and on Friday the Members Preview Party for Home Builders Assoc of Memphis.At that time I will be going around taking some candid shot of my Peers' efforts.

..................it should be interestingly droll. biggrin.gif

Leo, The Candy Man couldn't bake without your Sugar. wink.gif The 2.39:1 Demo Disc is awesome

Silver Fire 2.5 4.0 with 3 oz additional UPW will satisfy any sweet tooth. smile.gifcool.gif

One might note how the constancy of Colors and the Black levels do not vary hardly at all between the room all full illumination and with all lighting down except the light coming in from the door.
post #40 of 95
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by HopefulFred View Post

This is pretty awesome. Nicely done MM!

Thank you all for your comments! Any High Res Screen Shot requests will be graciously attempted to be fullfilled

Circumstances added an additional week to my 3 week "Time Limit", but good 'ol Scotty got the Warp Coil re-functioning quickly enough that I managed to escape any desperate situations. Considering it was exactly 4 weeks to today since the start, I'm feeling OK. (...that I managed to stock up with 6 cases of SA Octoberfest has also got me feeling optimistic... biggrin.gif )

Spock approves....





Officially, after having taken a horizontal measurement starting at 1/4" in from the left side of the actual projected image to within 1/4" of the right side (132.25"wide ) I am settling for a 143" diagonal 2.39:1 image, with a corresponding 112" diagonal 16:9 (55.5" high @ C.I.H.)

Cutting 3.25" wide MDF Base Board to length, wrapping ( w/Black Velvet ) and installing the Trim surround today.
post #41 of 95
Quote:
Originally Posted by MississippiMan View Post

That's perfectly OK............,

If the only Stars anyone sees are the ones twinkling in your eyes over the image you have on your screen, then that will be enough. wink.gif


...........but ya know, there exists on AVS a particular fellow that can paint luminous Star Fields that charge up using Black Light Fluorescent Tube. All in all the costs are about equal, but of course there is no back-breaking, eye straining work involved.

Who is the starfield painter?

BTW is 1.3 gain the highest one can go for wall paint retro reflective? Have a Sony HW50ES, will soon own a Sony600ES. Trying to bridge the gap between good 2D and brighter 3D for a 120" diagonal screen. Have a SI Solar 4K (1.37 gain) 120" diagonal 2.35:1 screen now
and it is perfect for 2D, 3D is dim at CIH 16:9 and 95" diagonal, much worst when I zoom 3D to the 2.35:1 I guess because I am loosing some pixels too without the anamorphic lens .
post #42 of 95
the starfield was done using fiber optics. you should take a read of the whole thread to appreciate the backbreaking work to install it.

as for the gain... initially it was set to be higher... however, doing it on drywall and having rolled the primer coats in hopes of saving time... the high powered optima highlighted the roller variation as visible grain from close range viewing... and to a critical viewer (ie folks like MM) was wholely unacceptable as hundreds of folks passing through the home show will likely walk all the way up to the screen. the less high powered PANY to be used for the show would likely have been more forgiving but MM was not about to take that chance.

so out came the large 3M large sanding sponges, the 1.5mm tip was replaced by a 1.0mm tip, and a slighly lower gain final 3 dusters were sprayed for a featureless (see macro image) finish.

i'm sure MM will elaborate...

i can tell you that the most impressive 3D showings at CEDIA featured high gain grey screens... which blew those who used white screens for 3D out of the water.
post #43 of 95
Quote:
Originally Posted by pb_maxxx View Post

the starfield was done using fiber optics. you should take a read of the whole thread to appreciate the backbreaking work to install it.

as for the gain... initially it was set to be higher... however, doing it on drywall and having rolled the primer coats in hopes of saving time... the high powered optima highlighted the roller variation as visible grain from close range viewing... and to a critical viewer (ie folks like MM) was wholely unacceptable as hundreds of folks passing through the home show will likely walk all the way up to the screen. the less high powered PANY to be used for the show would likely have been more forgiving but MM was not about to take that chance.

so out came the large 3M large sanding sponges, the 1.5mm tip was replaced by a 1.0mm tip, and a slighly lower gain final 3 dusters were sprayed for a featureless (see macro image) finish.

i'm sure MM will elaborate...

i can tell you that the most impressive 3D showings at CEDIA featured high gain grey screens... which blew those who used white screens for 3D out of the water.

I know the starfield in this topic is fiber optic, Mr. MM mentioned in his last post that there is a painter that can do the same with glow in the dark paint and that he is on the AVS forum.

I thought grey screens were only to be used now days with polarized glasses and the appropriate PJ. I have active shutter glasses that requires a non polarized screen as I recall. The grey screens at
CIDIA were manufactured or painted, I was inquiring about the paint on product ?
post #44 of 95
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by roxiedog13 View Post

I know the starfield in this topic is fiber optic, Mr. MM mentioned in his last post that there is a painter that can do the same with glow in the dark paint and that he is on the AVS forum.

Here are the links:

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1260948/star-ceilings-painted-or-fiber-optics
http://www.nightskymurals.com/

And a bullet list:

  • The example of a Fiber optic ceiling shown on the 1st page of the listed Thread is about as "Sh_ tty" looking as they come, so don't let that weigh in on any decision making.
  • The need for "Charging" can become an issue if it's not done via "Built In Black Lights".....and without adequate charging, longevity of illumination is markedly limited.
  • The Vendor does not sell kits....and does every installation himself, so scheduling is a must, and caters more to his availability, He has mentioned DIY, but so far I have not read of a single person having done so. I could be wrong though...but since the actual website mentions nothing at all about "sales", expect to have to have it done under contract.
  • Specialized Room decor (Trays / Recessed Ceilings..), and any true "Sky Scene Mural" such as Clouds and/or other effects adds considerable cost. Just "Stars" is more affordable, but again, you have almost no leeway as far as ceiling color.
  • A Fiber Optic Ceiling is ready to entertain when you want it to...at the flip of a switch...not 2-3 hours bof charging time.
  • After having done a few, including some truly epic sized Fiber optics, I can attest to the work ethic required. But even as of late I learned some new tricks that can make it all easier. I just didn't learn them before hand going in...unfortunately.

    I my opinion, if one is DIY'ing a Fiber Optic Star Field, it is an insane bargain, and much less than the painted variety. However in the reverse, it's comparable in cost, if not a bit more expensive then the paint. But figure in the need for adequate Black light Stands, the PITA aspect of storing / getting out and setting them up, or more importantly...the expense and effort of designing in permanent "Hidden" Black lighting, and suddenly Fiber Optics don't sound like the nightmare some would have them to be. And there is this...the new, Multi-Cell LED Lamps used in the Star-field Illuminator last 50,000 hours in continuous use....and run cool at 1/10th the cost of Black Light Tube / Lamp arrays.

    All that said, the end "Painted" product, especially one with Clouds and color effects is extremely appealing. It is just a good idea to have all the skinny...the real "Pros & Cons" of both.

Quote:
I thought grey screens were only to be used now days with polarized glasses and the appropriate PJ.

No, your thinking of high gain Metallic (...as in real metal...) Silver screens. "Passive" is the word description for such, and only a few TVs and PJs employ that technology.
Quote:
I have active shutter glasses that requires a non polarized screen as I recall. The grey screens at
CIDIA were manufactured or painted, I was inquiring about the paint on product ?

Active systems require "Gain" at the screen surface due to the loss of lumen output that every display has when switching to 3D. That is a primary reason most Active-oriented 3D PJs have upped the lumen output, to compensate for said loss.

Silver Fire Screens all have positive gain, and they are "Silvery Gray"...not just .
post #45 of 95
Quote:
Originally Posted by MississippiMan View Post

Here are the links:

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1260948/star-ceilings-painted-or-fiber-optics
http://www.nightskymurals.com/

And a bullet list:

  • The example of a Fiber optic ceiling shown on the 1st page of the listed Thread is about as "Sh_ tty" looking as they come, so don't let that weigh in on any decision making.
  • The need for "Charging" can become an issue if it's not done via "Built In Black Lights".....and without adequate charging, longevity of illumination is markedly limited.
  • The Vendor does not sell kits....and does every installation himself, so scheduling is a must, and caters more to his availability, He has mentioned DIY, but so far I have not read of a single person having done so. I could be wrong though...but since the actual website mentions nothing at all about "sales", expect to have to have it done under contract.
  • Specialized Room decor (Trays / Recessed Ceilings..), and any true "Sky Scene Mural" such as Clouds and/or other effects adds considerable cost. Just "Stars" is more affordable, but again, you have almost no leeway as far as ceiling color.
  • A Fiber Optic Ceiling is ready to entertain when you want it to...at the flip of a switch...not 2-3 hours bof charging time.
  • After having done a few, including some truly epic sized Fiber optics, I can attest to the work ethic required. But even as of late I learned some new tricks that can make it all easier. I just didn't learn them before hand going in...unfortunately.

    I my opinion, if one is DIY'ing a Fiber Optic Star Field, it is an insane bargain, and much less than the painted variety. However in the reverse, it's comparable in cost, if not a bit more expensive then the paint. But figure in the need for adequate Black light Stands, the PITA aspect of storing / getting out and setting them up, or more importantly...the expense and effort of designing in permanent "Hidden" Black lighting, and suddenly Fiber Optics don't sound like the nightmare some would have them to be. And there is this...the new, Multi-Cell LED Lamps used in the Star-field Illuminator last 50,000 hours in continuous use....and run cool at 1/10th the cost of Black Light Tube / Lamp arrays.

    All that said, the end "Painted" product, especially one with Clouds and color effects is extremely appealing. It is just a good idea to have all the skinny...the real "Pros & Cons" of both.
No, your thinking of high gain Metallic (...as in real metal...) Silver screens. "Passive" is the word description for such, and only a few TVs and PJs employ that technology.
Active systems require "Gain" at the screen surface due to the loss of lumen output that every display has when switching to 3D. That is a primary reason most Active-oriented 3D PJs have upped the lumen output, to compensate for said loss.

Silver Fire Screens all have positive gain, and they are "Silvery Gray"...not just .

Yes indeed, I did mean passive glasses not polarized for use with gray screens. I know all the variables surrounding high gain and three D, Angular vs reflective etc. . My biggest issue is not being able to preview materials, so I am trying to come to some
conclusions via member observations, in particular, comparisons to known products.

I have a CIH 2.35:1 screen it is 120" diagonal. Fantastic for 2D, dim for 3D. Since my current SI Solar 4K (1.37gain) reference screen is fixed I was considering a drop down electric motorized in a high gain angular reflective as my PJ is mounted
on the ceiling at top of screen height.

I'm looking at the DIY products just in case there is a screen paint process that is middle of the road and as thus I can go with one screen only. High gain normally equates to poorer contrast, blacks and color, I'm trying to get the best of both in a bat cave
environment only, don't care for showing movies with lights on at all.

The Star Ceiling painter you refer to I have been trying to reach for a year, he has never returned my call. I thought there may have been another person. My theater is finished, the ceiling painted in dark night sky blue ready for the glow paint process. I have
6, four foot black light tubes hidden in the sofett to charge the paint, all I need is the material and some guidance which I am more than willing to pay for. I'm in a remote community on the East coast of Canada, I doubt the painter will venture this far anyway .
So far I've had no luck reaching him, maybe that has changed now. I have a local visual arts college in my city and loads of artists around. I'd say I will likely work with one of those persons, we will just have to do plenty of research and some test boards before
tackling the ceiling.
post #46 of 95
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by roxiedog13 View Post

Yes indeed, I did mean passive glasses not polarized for use with gray screens. I know all the variables surrounding high gain and three D, Angular vs reflective etc. . My biggest issue is not being able to preview materials, so I am trying to come to some
conclusions via member observations, in particular, comparisons to known products.

I have a CIH 2.35:1 screen it is 120" diagonal. Fantastic for 2D, dim for 3D. Since my current SI Solar 4K (1.37gain) reference screen is fixed I was considering a drop down electric motorized in a high gain angular reflective as my PJ is mounted
on the ceiling at top of screen height.

I'm looking at the DIY products just in case there is a screen paint process that is middle of the road and as thus I can go with one screen only. High gain normally equates to poorer contrast, blacks and color, I'm trying to get the best of both in a bat cave
environment only, don't care for showing movies with lights on at all.

As modestly as I can do so, let me assure you that the Silver Fire paint apps are a solution to your issue. I myself paint directly onto Mfg Screens when they are lacking in needed performance, yet exist and must be used. 3D ? No problem whatsoever. Call my bluff, because I bluff not! Because Silver Fire performs excellently in ambient light, the attributes it has are what makes "in the dark" viewing almost "over the top"....but without the disadvantages of Mfg High Gain Reto-reflective screens. Blacks are greatly improved but not at the expense of Colors, Whites, or Gain.
Quote:
The Star Ceiling painter you refer to I have been trying to reach for a year, he has never returned my call. I thought there may have been another person. My theater is finished, the ceiling painted in dark night sky blue ready for the glow paint process. I have
6, four foot black light tubes hidden in the sofett to charge the paint, all I need is the material and some guidance which I am more than willing to pay for. I'm in a remote community on the East coast of Canada, I doubt the painter will venture this far anyway .
So far I've had no luck reaching him, maybe that has changed now.

Post Script:

It appears to have changed.....I made an attempt myself and received a response within a Day. A PM get's a response, but email is better (...go to his Site...)
Edited by MississippiMan - 11/5/13 at 2:23am
post #47 of 95
Because Silver Fire performs excellently in ambient light, the attributes it has are what makes "in the dark" viewing almost "over the top"

For years we've shown the advantages of Silver Fire when ambient light is present and suspected the same in controlled viewing...

But until recently, a forum member with the data equipment to do so has shown that right of the gate... Silver Fire screens (even without ambient light) have a nearly 64% advantage in retaining your projectors contrast over most standard white screens.
post #48 of 95
Quote:
Originally Posted by MississippiMan View Post

As modestly as I can do so, let me assure you that the Silver Fire paint apps are a solution to your issue. I myself paint directly onto Mfg Screens when they are lacking in needed performance, yet exist and must be used. 3D ? No problem whatsoever. Call my bluff, because I bluff not! Because Silver Fire performs excellently in ambient light, the attributes it has are what makes "in the dark" viewing almost "over the top"....but without the disadvantages of Mfg High Gain Reto-reflective screens. Blacks are greatly improved but not at the expense of Colors, Whites, or Gain.
You could and should dun him a bit on his dedicated Thread.... biggrin.gif Perhaps in that way at least you'd get him to respond. After so much time without a response, you certainly have reason...and frankly he needs a bit of goading, seeing that he uses the Forum to promote his services.Get on that Thread of his and "insist" upon a response. One way or another. If he insists that he must do it...( he's is a bit paranoid about risking revealing methods and materials...) then pin him down. If your willing to pay for Travel and labor...where's the Beef? In the least, others should know about your situation, and the seemingly intentional lack of response. (...he might well have good reason, but without a response...who can say? )

Sorry if I come off as being a bit unyielding, but I try hard to distance my off-forum services from the Forum. It's been expected of me to do so since day one. When I do get a request, I take it immediately "off forum" and make a conspicuous effort to oblige Forum members,,..and do so at reduced cost ...even if I travel overseas. So I have little patience for those who act otherwise. In truth I hope you do get a positive response, because done right...and he does do it right....you'd make for another great referral.

Well, you have piqued my interest for sure. Great thing about your product is that I could make a custom size screen , the ultimate goal would be a SINGLE , CURVED and make it dual masking. I would like to keep a constant image size so the 2.35:1 and 16:9 appear to be same size. I hate when I drop size from a 2.35:1 down to 16:9.

Now need to learn more, where to buy product, how to construct etc.? If it looks promising I will buy the anamorphic lens to go with my new 500ES now and then build the screen later. I am more that happy with my current screen for 2D and would not want to give up anything from that level. I would rather add a second screen tor
3D rather than falling somewhere in the middle. If you believe it can do both........I'm in.
post #49 of 95
Thread Starter 
It can do both.....I assure you of that. Been there...done it before, with less robust PJs than your SONY.

Hey! where can I pick up a SONY VPL-HW500ES? Gotta be a Killer machine!

wink.gif

BTW, I have all the info you need to effectively and easilt construct a 2.39:1 Curved Screen. And even if you grab up a "Morph lens" at normal pricing, the DIY Screen build will only add another $225.00 tops, which is very small change considering the well over $3K cost of a decent A-lens & Sled.
post #50 of 95
Quote:
Originally Posted by MississippiMan View Post

It can do both.....I assure you of that. Been there...done it before, with less robust PJs than your SONY.

Hey! where can I pick up a SONY VPL-HW500ES? Gotta be a Killer machine!

wink.gif

BTW, I have all the info you need to effectively and easilt construct a 2.39:1 Curved Screen. And even if you grab up a "Morph lens" at normal pricing, the DIY Screen build will only add another $225.00 tops, which is very small change considering the well over $3K cost of a decent A-lens & Sled.

I paid $2500 for the reference screen I have, if you can have it so much better for that little why are more not doing this. Is the build process too technical for most? Even if one had others build and paint the thing would that not be better if it is sooooo much better??

What I have been invoiced for the 500ES here in Canada is a great deal, well, considering what the cost is in the US . I will be able to pay for the UH480 with electric sled and still be less than the US price. This will be a first time EVER that I have paid less for any product
over what the price is South of the border . To be honest, even the price I will pay is too much I would never have purchased for anything less.

Anxiously waiting for the construction details and price for the paint.
post #51 of 95
Thread Starter 
I got the screen trim up.......

Before..................

photo Amagnetowatchin_zpscce01395.jpg

Top Piece up.....

photo ScreenTrim1stickup_zps4855694a.jpg

Two Sides make 3.....


photo ScreenTrim3sticksup_zpsc7d3ff38.jpg

.................and done.

photo ScreenTrim4sticksup_zps3ec6e45f.jpg


Rango under ambient

photo ARangoTheatershot_zps5dd74bbb.jpg


Close up of a Lizard...

photo ARangoClose-upTheatershot_zps0921369e.jpg


And a very interesting shot. Taken under full flash with all lights on.....and the image is still at least watchable. eek.gif .

photo ARangouderflashTheatershot_zpsf644cf96.jpg
post #52 of 95
Quote:
Originally Posted by MississippiMan View Post

I got the screen trim up.......

Before..................

photo Amagnetowatchin_zpscce01395.jpg

Top Piece up.....

photo ScreenTrim1stickup_zps4855694a.jpg

Two Sides make 3.....


photo ScreenTrim3sticksup_zpsc7d3ff38.jpg

.................and done.

photo ScreenTrim4sticksup_zps3ec6e45f.jpg


Rango under ambient

I wasn't impressed with the all lights on picture until I noticed you also used a camera with flash. Can you do a couple close and far with the lights on and no flash?


photo ARangoTheatershot_zps5dd74bbb.jpg


Close up of a Lizard...

photo ARangoClose-upTheatershot_zps0921369e.jpg


And a very interesting shot. Taken under full flash with all lights on.....and the image is still at least watchable. eek.gif .

photo ARangouderflashTheatershot_zpsf644cf96.jpg
post #53 of 95
Thread Starter 
Quote:
I wasn't impressed with the all lights on picture until I noticed you also used a camera with flash. Can you do a couple close and far with the lights on and no flash?

Awwwww.........c'mon. frown.gif

Look closer at almost every shot I have posted. The room lighting (5 Halogen Spots) is always up at full. You can see how brightly lit the back of the dark brown leather chairs are.

The screen put's out a lot of reflected light, so the surrounding walls are muted, especially in a close-up.

Previously Posted Examples:


Far way in Full light (...not the backs of all the chairs...)
photo Magnetoinhighambientwideroom_zps10ae25c5.jpg


Closer in Full light
photo Magnetoinhighambient_zps97e158b0.jpg


Close up w/no lights
photo Magnetoinnolighting_zpsac5c075b.jpg


Far away in the Dark
photo Theodonfarindark_zpsb3fa6d0c.jpg


Far away in Full Light
photo Theodonfarinfulllight_zps136f5e09.jpg


Close up in Full Light
photo Theodoncloseinfulllight_zpsf97269d3.jpg


Close up Full Lights
photo Thorinfulllightingcloseup_zps1c7add3a.jpg


Far away Full Lights
photo Thorinfulllighting_zps4c657853.jpg


Far away no lights
photo Thorw-Stars_zps81bcb04d.jpg


No attempt to create "Eye Candy" here....just quickly snapped shots from various focal lengths, light on & off. Look closely and you can see the Can lights in most "Far" images.
However you can see that the exposure off the screen almost has no obvious change. This is because the Room lighting has almost no effect.

Granted, room colors and lighting position has a important roll to play, and play it does. But even so, at 143" diagonal and with the amount of light present, I really think the shown performance can stand up for itself.
post #54 of 95
Sorry, you must have misunderstood. The pictures without flash are perfect, those with flash are washed out but is in no way indicative of the quality with just lights alone.........I assume. Pictures otherwise are great and now that you have posted the other pictures with lights on, without the flash( what I was asking for) the quality is fantastic.
Edited by roxiedog13 - 11/4/13 at 3:08pm
post #55 of 95
Thread Starter 
Roxiedog13,

As previously stated, I took the Flash shot on a whim, primarily to show the Trim, and found that even with the images displayed during the Flash, the screen still showed a discernible and clear image, albeit wash out. That is showed "anything at all" was wholly surprising...as that virtually never happens under any circumstances.

I will have more images to come soon, with the room completely cleaned and doors in place...even a 1080p video of the room and screen / sound in full operation.
post #56 of 95
Quote:
Originally Posted by MississippiMan View Post

Roxiedog13,

As previously stated, I took the Flash shot on a whim, primarily to show the Trim, and found that even with the images displayed during the Flash, the screen still showed a discernible and clear image, albeit wash out. That is showed "anything at all" was wholly surprising...as that virtually never happens under any circumstances.

I will have more images to come soon, with the room completely cleaned and doors in place...even a 1080p video of the room and screen / sound in full operation.

OK thanks. I just finished doing a test with a 16" square of Black Diamond 2.7 . Have to say I was impressed that it did a terrific job of gain as advertised, colors popped and the drop in brightness for the outside seats was acceptable. How does the SilverFire stack up to this product?
Not so much concerned about the ambient light viewing as much as brightness gain and detail with lights off.
post #57 of 95
Thread Starter 
Look at this video......


......and consider the almost $3500.00 price difference. Also, it should be quite easy to reason that any screen that can do as well in ambient light as Silver Fire can is going to do all that much mo' bedder in the dark. Nothing will be lost....in fact, the real question will be as to if you can...or must drop down into Economy output.




And know this....the performance you find "acceptable" in a test-sized sample may well not be, and almost assuredly will not be representative of what you have in a full sized version. If the BD can't do this....you should be able to guess which application can really deliver the goods. After all, you were looking at a 16" square sample centered on the screen & Lens. The screen I'm showing is a full 143" diagonal. A slight difference that should not be over looked. . wink.gif



(BTW, the distorted "big face of Spock" in the bottom right corner was taken with be sitting on the floor beneath the screen. Below would be something for you to try with the BD....) tongue.gif

ASupersidewaysSpock_zps2764ab72.jpg
Edited by MississippiMan - 11/5/13 at 10:57pm
post #58 of 95
Quote:
Originally Posted by MississippiMan View Post

Look at this video......


......and consider the almost $3500.00 price difference. Also, it should be quite easy to reason that any screen that can do as well in ambient light as Silver Fire can is going to do all that much mo' bedder in the dark. Nothing will be lost....in fact, the real question will be as to if you can...or must drop down into Economy output.




And know this....the performance you find "acceptable" in a test-sized sample may well not be, and almost assuredly will not be representative of what you have in a full sized version. If the BD can't do this....you should be able to guess which application can really deliver the goods. After all, you were looking at a 16" square sample centered on the screen & Lens. The screen I'm showing is a full 143" diagonal. A slight difference that should not be over looked. . wink.gif



(BTW, the distorted "big face of Spock" in the bottom right corner was taken with be sitting on the floor beneath the screen. Below would be something for you to try with the BD....) tongue.gif

ASupersidewaysSpock_zps2764ab72.jpg

I could not run any video, the pictures do look great though. Great blacks, color and brightness. With my Solar 4K screen at 1.37 gain the PQ is good and blacks, color and brightness good too. The Black Diamond increases the brightness nicely and the image does retain the color
and has more pop to the image. By comparison though the blacks are more dark grey with the Black Diamond. I f I could retain the blacks a little better I would be very happy.
post #59 of 95
Thread Starter 
Try this link:

http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss302/MississippiMaurice/VESTA%202013/5thElement_zpsa265e7b1.mp4

Superb Black Levels at all times? Well that is easy. With Silver Fire, in the dark your Blacks will be Interstellar deep. Absolutely....without question.

Unlike the Screen Mfg, when we tout a specific performance envelope, it had better be able to be replicated, or people would / will come back to let you know otherwise in no uncertain terms.

Take it to the Bank and cash it. To quote" "Guy" ...."It's money!" Yum.
post #60 of 95
Question, and might be a dumb one -- nevertheless:

Do you come up with the paint mixture depending on the room's light?
Can Silver Fire be applied to an electric screen? I know you did it last year, but was it the same Silver Fire?

I'm sure you would like to answer these on a very specific comprehensive manner and would probably would need 10 pages to so. A general answer would suffice for my limited intellect and knowledge regarding DIY screens.
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: DIY Screen Section
AVS › AVS Forum › Display Devices › Screens › DIY Screen Section › Another 2.35:1 Silver Fire on Drywall Project taking off.