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Need a pair of PA speakers for under $1800. Needing Help.

post #1 of 22
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Hi there avsforum!

I need a new pair of PA speakers for my organization. We usually use them for parties (loud music, off a laptop or phone) and we also transport them to tailgates. We listen to the typical college party scene music. No substance lyric wise, and the occasional snare drum diddling a simple beat while the bass booms. Our last pair of speakers (JBL JRX125's) were fantastic and lasted a solid 5 years until recently someone cranked our Crown 802AMP and blew them out.

Condition of the JBL JRX125's :
PA Speaker 1: completely done. Horn, and both speakers are blown out. (Can things like wiring also be shot?)
PA Speaker 2: Horn is blown out as well as one speaker, the other is on its way out as well.
Doing my research it looks like it would be around $800 to buy a whole new set of speakers + installation, I believe it's time to go new. (Please correct me if I'm wrong)

CROWN 802 AMP : http://imgur.com/a/Q2al6

I really like PA speakers because of the risks involved with transportation and parties.

So with these things in mind, can someone with more knowledge than myself point me in the right direction? Most of the websites I've looked at appear phishy, and I don't have very much knowledge on things like brands or reputable websites.

Thank you.


TL;DR :
-For parties and Tailgates
-Off an Ipod or Computer, not live.
-Bass heavy music.
-Are my old speakers totaled?
-Crown 802 Amp.
-PA speakers are durable.
-Please bestow any buyer beware knowledge.
-avmaxx just screwed me over.
post #2 of 22
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Originally Posted by testingtesting View Post

Hi there avsforum!

I need a new pair of PA speakers for my organization. We usually use them for parties (loud music, off a laptop or phone) and we also transport them to tailgates. We listen to the typical college party scene music. No substance lyric wise, and the occasional snare drum diddling a simple beat while the bass booms. Our last pair of speakers (JBL JRX125's) were fantastic and lasted a solid 5 years until recently someone cranked our Crown 802AMP and blew them out.

Condition of the JBL JRX125's :
PA Speaker 1: completely done. Horn, and both speakers are blown out. (Can things like wiring also be shot?)
PA Speaker 2: Horn is blown out as well as one speaker, the other is on its way out as well.
Doing my research it looks like it would be around $800 to buy a whole new set of speakers + installation, I believe it's time to go new. (Please correct me if I'm wrong)

http://www.samash.com/jbl-jrx125-dual-15-3-way-passive-pa-cabinet-jjrx125xx1?cm_mmc=GoogleShopping-_-Live%20Sound-_-Channeladvisor-_-JBL+JRX125+Dual+15%22+3+Way+Passive+PA+Cabinet&utm_source=GSH&utm_medium=CSE&utm_campaign=Channeladvisor&CAWELAID=1594728238&catargetid=500002510000006643&cadevice=c&cagpspn=pla&gclid=CKqggoKm3LkCFQie4AodVkEAMw

So your $800 number for going new is reasonable.

I'd take the guy who blew your old ones out to the ummm, woodshed and educate him, and buy another pair.

I'm surprised that you were able to hurt them with 800 wpc 4 ohms/ 500 wpc 8 ohms.

Of course JRX are basically JBL's cheapest PA speakers, nothing like their best or SOTA. You might want to move upscale to EAW, EV, or QSC.
post #3 of 22
Since they were doing the job for you-why not take them to a speaker repair facility and have them rebuild them?

It will be less expensive than new-and you know what you are getting.

There is a lot of CHEAP CRAP out there.

Real speaker cost real money-an you are nowhere near that dollar amount.

So I would stick with the know and have them rebuilt.

If done by a authorized JBL repair facility (DO NOT use aftermarket parts!, they will be like new.
post #4 of 22
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Originally Posted by Ivan Beaver View Post

Since they were doing the job for you-why not take them to a speaker repair facility and have them rebuild them?

It will be less expensive than new-and you know what you are getting.

It's been years since I took something to a pro audio repair shop, but back then they wanted $150 just to open each box. Even consumer audio is running like $80 for the initial inspection. If it ain't in warranty, repair costs can be prohibitive.

In this case we're talking some fairly low end speakers. The replacement drivers (at list) could run close to or exceed replacement cost of the whole speaker as repair parts.
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There is a lot of CHEAP CRAP out there.

Frankly, this low end JBL stuff is about one full notch above it. Real JBL speakers of this nature start out around $1500 each.
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Real speaker cost real money-an you are nowhere near that dollar amount.

Agreed.
post #5 of 22
Thread Starter 
I'm so happy that you both agree that my speakers are terrible. It makes me feel fantastic, and I appreciate it. Thank you.

I'm not looking for the absolute finest quality, I suppose I should have established that more in the OP. I'm looking for $1800 dollars worth of quality. Not $3000.
post #6 of 22
if $1,800 is what you've got, it is what you've got, sure beats the heck out of a $900 budget. :-)

a pair of these are within your budget:

http://www.zzounds.com/item--JBLPRX425

if you could find a pair of the old jbl srx with the dual 2226 woofers, that would be good.

also good used would be a pair of Yorkville unity u215 speakers.

both these are hugely popular and come up for sale used quite frequently.
post #7 of 22
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Originally Posted by testingtesting View Post

I'm so happy that you both agree that my speakers are terrible. It makes me feel fantastic, and I appreciate it. Thank you.

I'm not looking for the absolute finest quality, I suppose I should have established that more in the OP. I'm looking for $1800 dollars worth of quality. Not $3000.

My favorites for general purpose PA are:

Electrovoice ZX-1 for small rooms and portable use - very good with equalization and a subwoofer, nice for the size and cost all by themselves.

Electrovoice ZX-5 for general purpose and large rooms.

Both of these speakers are IMO smooth and clean enough to use for hi fi, but since they are very efficient they are a bit limited on the bottom end compared to similar sized hi fi speakers. I'll take the smooth and clean with tons of dynamic range! ;-)
post #8 of 22
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Originally Posted by LTD02 View Post

if $1,800 is what you've got, it is what you've got, sure beats the heck out of a $900 budget. :-)

a pair of these are within your budget:

http://www.zzounds.com/item--JBLPRX425

if you could find a pair of the old jbl srx with the dual 2226 woofers, that would be good.

also good used would be a pair of Yorkville unity u215 speakers.

both these are hugely popular and come up for sale used quite frequently.

Would my AMP be ok with those JBLPRX425's? There's an album in the OP showing my AMP.
Power Rating, Pink Noise: 600 W / 1200 W / 2400 W (Continuous/Program/Peak)
I feel like I'm just a little low. According to the manual :http://www.crownaudio.com/media/pdf/amps/139436.pdf

It delivers 800W per channel in dual in 4ohm speakers. I've seen people advocate things like get 2-4 times the amount of power than the rms value. At 800w I'm rocking 1.34 times the power, which seems a little low. Am I reading this wrong?

My amp is set to deliver 1000W. Is that per speaker or total? Either way I'm not sure if I could pump in enough juice.

How would the bass sound from the PRX425's? I'm not sure what to look for in terms of bass spec wise.
Edited by testingtesting - 9/25/13 at 5:44pm
post #9 of 22
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post #10 of 22
" I've seen people advocate things like get 2-4 times the amount of power than the rms value. At 800w I'm rocking 1.34 times the power, which seems a little low. Am I reading this wrong?"

there is nothing wrong with running speakers with less than maximum power. the power advocates who say that there is are just plain ignorant.

if you have a speaker that can take 1000 watts and choose to run it with a 10 watt amp, that would be just fine.

the only thing to focus on is not clipping the amp too much, but that applies regardless of what speaker you are running.
post #11 of 22
the bass would like it measures: http://www.jblpro.com/BackOffice/ProductAttachments/JBL_PRX425.v2.pdf

...very strong in the 60hz and up ballpark, average around 50hz, and a little weak down around 30hz.

if you want speakers with more low end, they trade off upper end performance and/or cost more.
post #12 of 22

Depends whether you buy speakers by the pound, cubic foot, or dB SPL of quality sound. IME the thing that separates the quality pieces from the junk in pro audio speakers are efficiency, smoothness and low distortion.
post #13 of 22
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Originally Posted by arnyk View Post

Depends whether you buy speakers by the pound, cubic foot, or dB SPL of quality sound. IME the thing that separates the quality pieces from the junk in pro audio speakers are efficiency, smoothness and low distortion.

This is for a fraternity house.
post #14 of 22
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Originally Posted by arnyk View Post

Depends whether you buy speakers by the pound, cubic foot, or dB SPL of quality sound. IME the thing that separates the quality pieces from the junk in pro audio speakers are efficiency, smoothness and low distortion.

This is for a fraternity house.

For dances?

Maybe we should rework our budget for a subwoofer...
post #15 of 22
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Originally Posted by arnyk View Post

For dances?

Maybe we should rework our budget for a subwoofer...

Lots of dances. A subwoofer would be fantastic if you think it would deliver more bass than two 3way speakers. I wasn't sure of the possibility for that, I was thinking of going with two Cerwin Vega 2153's. They're true 3 way so I thought they would be a step up from a "quasi 3-way" with my old JRX125's.

How does my old Behringer Xenyx 502 mixer fit into the equation?
post #16 of 22
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Originally Posted by arnyk View Post

For dances?

Maybe we should rework our budget for a subwoofer...
As the old saying goes-Treble don't get the party started
post #17 of 22
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Originally Posted by LTD02 View Post

if you want speakers with more low end, they trade off upper end performance and/or cost more.

That's good to know. Well I do want some low end, could I possibly get a speaker and a subwoofer combination?
post #18 of 22
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Originally Posted by Ivan Beaver View Post

As the old saying goes-Treble don't get the party started

That's very true. So would a subwoofer speaker combination or two PA cabinets be better for the low end? The only problem I see is that having two speakers is nice so you can put them in different rooms/ point different directions. Obviously not the best setup for performance, but to be honest the people listening don't have much of an ear for music.
post #19 of 22
Thread Starter 
Now I'm considering scraping my amp, selling it and investing in active.

This is probably my other option than the 2153's. 1 sub and 2 loudspeakers.

http://www.musiciansfriend.com/pro-audio/electro-voice-elx115-passive-15-loudspeaker (Or the active version if that's the way I go)
http://www.pssl.com/Pro-Audio/EV-ELX118P-18-Powered-Subwoofer-Live-X-

Thoughts?
post #20 of 22
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Originally Posted by arnyk View Post

For dances?

Maybe we should rework our budget for a subwoofer...

What do you think about this set up?

Crown 802 AMP
Behringer Xenyx 502 mixer
1 Cerwin Vega 18" Active Dedicated sub http://www.musiciansfriend.com/pro-audio/cerwin-vega-cva-118-18-active-subwoofer/600290002000000
2 Passive Electro Voice ELX115's 15's. http://www.musiciansfriend.com/pro-audio/electro-voice-elx115-passive-15-loudspeaker

(How do you feel about Active vs Passive vs ELX vs ZLX?) I know that your're a big electrovoice buff.

vs.

Crown 802AMP
Behringer Xenyx 502 mixer
2 Cerwin Vega CVP 2153's
Edited by testingtesting - 9/30/13 at 12:04am
post #21 of 22
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Originally Posted by testingtesting View Post

Quote:
Originally Posted by arnyk View Post

For dances?

Maybe we should rework our budget for a subwoofer...

What do you think about this set up?

Crown 802 AMP
Behringer Xenyx 502 mixer
1 Cerwin Vega 18" Active Dedicated sub http://www.musiciansfriend.com/pro-audio/cerwin-vega-cva-118-18-active-subwoofer/600290002000000
2 Passive Electro Voice ELX115's 15's. http://www.musiciansfriend.com/pro-audio/electro-voice-elx115-passive-15-loudspeaker

(How do you feel about Active vs Passive vs ELX vs ZLX?) I know that your're a big electrovoice buff.

vs.

Crown 802AMP
Behringer Xenyx 502 mixer
2 Cerwin Vega CVP 2153's

No experience with any of the above, sorry.
post #22 of 22
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Originally Posted by arnyk View Post

No experience with any of the above, sorry.

Fair enough, the reviews I've read are saying "eh, not too impressive"

Is it possible to run a dedicated sub and one 2x15" cabinet on the same system? You mentioned earlier in a post that I should try and get a subwoofer worked into the equation. Would that sound okay to have one of each of these? Would the diffrences in power consumption per channel cause issues?

For instance
http://www.zzounds.com/item--CWVEL36C
http://www.zzounds.com/item--CWVCVP2153
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