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post #1 of 22
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I'm looking To upgrade my ram and don't know what i should get... Looking for pointers.

My Current System:

i7-3770k ivy bridge CPU
ASRock z77 Extreme4 MB
Nvidia GTX 680 FTW 4gb GPU
Corsair HX 750 PS
Corsair h100i cpu water cooler
G.Skill sniper 1600 16gb ram

I realize now the ram i got is not very good and want to start over instead of just adding two more sticks of what i got now so i want to get a couple of better sticks to start with and eventually add two more later. So i just want to know whats some of the better stuff to get.

Thanks in advance!
post #2 of 22
You're actually fine, but if you really want to step up to something higher, try 2133 or 2400. It'll run you about $130-145 for a pair of 8GB sticks. Unless you go with Corsair Dominator Platinum, then expect double that price lol.
post #3 of 22
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Originally Posted by Marafice Eye View Post

You're actually fine, but if you really want to step up to something higher, try 2133 or 2400. It'll run you about $130-145 for a pair of 8GB sticks. Unless you go with Corsair Dominator Platinum, then expect double that price lol.

What would be the bonus of dominator platinum? And does it matter what brand I go with in regards to my MB or anything else compatibly speaking?
post #4 of 22
The Dominator Platinum IS really good ram, but in all honestly it's more of a luxury item as if you directly compared the Dominator to a similar speed ram from another brand, the difference is almost unnoticeable. It will outperform other ram in certain case, like synthetic benchmarks, and some very very ram heavy activities. But really, in gaming and most common activities, it's not worth it.

As for compatibility, there should be no issues. Looking at your motherboard, it theoretically supports 2800+ but as you're on Ivy Bridge for your CPU, the difference in speed and cas latency in your 1600 ram, and something like 2400 ram is very minute. You may get a small performance boost by jumping up to 2133 or 2400, but it will be small. If you were on a Haswell or an Ivy Bridge E, I'd say definitely get something faster as they love faster ram.

Right now it's really whatever you feel like doing.

16GB of Dominator Platinum 2133 ram is $225

16GB of G Skill Ripjaws X 2400 ram is $145
post #5 of 22
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Ok, thanks man.. Probably a stupid question but i cant just buy two G.Skill Ripjaw 2400 and add them with my 1600 snipers can I?
post #6 of 22
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Looking at my system what would be your main course of moving forward with upgrading? I'm still relatively new to PC's and was thinking of trying to get another GTX 680FTW but wasn't sure if i should upgrade my ram first.. kind of why i was looking at doing that to begin with.
post #7 of 22
No, do not mix and match ram. I would say if you don't have an SSD as your primary OS drive, do that first, SSDs are awesome. SLI 680s would be a beast upgrade, you could also just get 2 more sticks of your 1600 Sniper for a total of 32GB and run a ramdisk if you want. Lots of options.

Honestly with the setup you have now, those are the only things I would personally consider doing as your base components aren't lacking in an major way.

I don't know though, finding another 680 FTW might be a challenge, unless you go used. At the new price of $530-560, I'd personally just replace the current 680 with a 780. Then sell the 680 and make a bunch of money back. Just an idea though.
post #8 of 22
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I already do have an ssd and its freaking great. Make a bunch of money? Are the 780's running cheap? Or do you mean that people will pay more for a 680 to sli since they don't make them anymore?
post #9 of 22
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Originally Posted by Mikeclough24 View Post

I already do have an ssd and its freaking great. Make a bunch of money? Are the 780's running cheap? Or do you mean that people will pay more for a 680 to sli since they don't make them anymore?

Well what I mean is the 780s are only about $100 (about $630-730 depending on which card you go for) more than a new 680 FTW (if you can find one new), so if you bought a 780, you could then sell your old 680 and make some money back. You could possibly get $300 or more (I'd say more due to it being a 4gb FTW card)
post #10 of 22
The hardware you currently have is actually pretty nice. Nicer than most in fact. If it is running stable and smooth I'd stay with it for a while. I'd personally focus on keeping it clean and uncluttered with routine maintenance.
post #11 of 22
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Originally Posted by Marafice Eye View Post

Well what I mean is the 780s are only about $100 (about $630-730 depending on which card you go for) more than a new 680 FTW (if you can find one new), so if you bought a 780, you could then sell your old 680 and make some money back. You could possibly get $300 or more (I'd say more due to it being a 4gb FTW card)

OK I see.. I was looking around earlier and all I didn't see any 780's with 4 GB like the 680 FTW. Is 3 the most you can get? the 4 GB makes a pretty big difference though soesnt it? If you were to get a 780 which would you get?
post #12 of 22
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Originally Posted by lurkor View Post

The hardware you currently have is actually pretty nice. Nicer than most in fact. If it is running stable and smooth I'd stay with it for a while. I'd personally focus on keeping it clean and uncluttered with routine maintenance.

Ya, True.. Its just that i can't help but constantly want to upgrade haha i'm sure you know how it is.
post #13 of 22
In terms of upgrades, two 680s in SLI beat a single 780 by quiet a bit if you can find one.
post #14 of 22
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Originally Posted by Mikeclough24 View Post

OK I see.. I was looking around earlier and all I didn't see any 780's with 4 GB like the 680 FTW. Is 3 the most you can get? the 4 GB makes a pretty big difference though soesnt it? If you were to get a 780 which would you get?

I'm actually building a new comp in the next couple weeks with a 780 and I'm getting the Galaxy 780 Hall of Fame. It's $690 but can outperform a Titan.



Titan Super Clocked vs 780 HoF Overclocked

They don't make a 780 with anything higher than 3GB simply because of the way the memory modules work. the only thing you'd see is a 6GB 780, and they won't do that because the Titan is Nvidia's 6GB card. At this point, having an extra 1GB of VRAM is negligible unless you're running some extreme mods for Skyrim. 3GB is more than enough for the next few years.
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In terms of upgrades, two 680s in SLI beat a single 780 by quiet a bit if you can find one.

That they do, the trouble is finding a non-used 680 FTW, those are NOT easy to locate new anymore and that's the problem. If he wanted to SLI 680s he'd have to get a different model. Not that that is a no-no, it's just not as simple as one would think. And then in games that don't like SLI (very few, but they're still out there) you're stuck using only a single card, in which case the 780 still pretty much beats all.
post #15 of 22
I don't know if I'd say that 3GB was enough for the next few years. For the next year maybe, but I remember when people were saying 1GB was enough just a couple years ago, and here we are seeing many games push beyond the 2GB limit at higher resolutions + AA, with a handful pushing beyond the 3GB limit. I have a feeling 4GB will become the norm very soon on higher-end cards.

Personally, I'm waiting to see what AMD does. If they offer games like BF4 and Watch Dogs with their new cards, it'll be a no-brainer for me. I can deal with a slower card if it means saving that much in games. O_o
post #16 of 22
At 1080p, 3GB will be more than enough. Unless you're down-sampling or running 1440p or higher, or as I said, running a crazy heavy modded Skyrim, you're not even coming close to 3GB. The best looking games available (Skyrim, BF3, Witcher 2, Crysis 3, etc) Un-modified are not breaching 2GB. SO yes, imo, 3GB will last more than another year. The leaked benchmarks for the new AMD R9 290X are honestly too good to be true, if it turns out they actually are that good, more power to them. AMD can make great cards, hell my 6870 is still alive and kicking pretty darn good, but they have major issues with multi-gpu setups. If he's looking to upgrade the vid card, the best options for him are a 2nd 680 FTW, or a 780. Because SLI scales incredibly well, and has little to no microstuttering and is much more stable the AMD's Crossfire (at least until they fix it). The other thing to keep in mind is the quality of the VRAM on cards. The reason some 4GB cards are surprisingly cheap, at least in comparison to others or to the 2GB versions, is the lower quality VRAM modules used.

Again, what it comes down to is the fact that it will not be easy to find another 680 FTW new, or a used one from a source you would actually trust. With his current hardware, the only thing that going to give a real noticeable gain in gaming is a new card. A new CPU would require buying a new motherboard as well, and the gains from that would be minimal.
post #17 of 22
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I like the sound of the 780 HOF card but i did just get this 680 ftw not long ago so figured i'd try the SLI rout. Purchased it and then realized there was the 700 series coming out like a month later. It seems to run everything I play great so far(BF3, Crysis 3, Metro last light, Skyrim) etc. but what do i gain by upgrading further? Basically i want to keep upgrading and was just looking for what i should do next.
post #18 of 22
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Originally Posted by Mikeclough24 View Post

I like the sound of the 780 HOF card but i did just get this 680 ftw not long ago so figured i'd try the SLI rout. Purchased it and then realized there was the 700 series coming out like a month later. It seems to run everything I play great so far(BF3, Crysis 3, Metro last light, Skyrim) etc. but what do i gain by upgrading further? Basically i want to keep upgrading and was just looking for what i should do next.

Don't get me wrong, the 680 FTW is a beast card, pretty much anything EVGA makes is top-notch. What you'd gain is more longevity by upgrading. However if you can get your hands on another 680 FTW, I say go for it, absolutely. The only problem is finding one.

Here's the upgrade paths you really have -

- New motherboard and CPU - $500-ish or so. Would maybe gain you a little bit of performance but would theoretically help in the long run.

- New GPU or SLI - $550-750 or so. SLI 680s is a great option as long as you can find another FTW, the only problems that may arise is in SLI implementation in newer games make take some time so you'd be running in single card configuration until the games/drivers are optimized. The 780 HoF specifically can outperform a Titan so sticking with the single card option, it's a nice upgrade for longevity. The new AMD cards are out Oct 18th apparently (with the reveal of the flagship coming in a couple days). I'm not sure I'd trust the 'leaked' benches just yet, but if the prove to be real, the R9 290X could be a beast of a card for around $600.

You already have a primary SSD and most of the other equipment is solid so really the only things you'll see any benefit from is a new CPU, a new GPU, or SLI'ing that 680 FTW.

I can't find a new 680 FTW anywhere (other than one seller on amazon that wants $3,072 for it... lol) and you're looking at around $500 for a used one. If you feel comfortable buying a 2nd one that's used, go for it, as SLI 680s will out perform the 780 HoF and the Titan. And your PSU should handle it fine.

Also just as a heads up as some people aren't aware, SLI'ing doesn't give you 8GB of VRAM, it's still only 4GB, the workload is just split among both, but running in SLI doesn't add the two amounts together.
post #19 of 22
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Originally Posted by Marafice Eye View Post

Don't get me wrong, the 680 FTW is a beast card, pretty much anything EVGA makes is top-notch. What you'd gain is more longevity by upgrading. However if you can get your hands on another 680 FTW, I say go for it, absolutely. The only problem is finding one.

Here's the upgrade paths you really have -

- New motherboard and CPU - $500-ish or so. Would maybe gain you a little bit of performance but would theoretically help in the long run.

- New GPU or SLI - $550-750 or so. SLI 680s is a great option as long as you can find another FTW, the only problems that may arise is in SLI implementation in newer games make take some time so you'd be running in single card configuration until the games/drivers are optimized. The 780 HoF specifically can outperform a Titan so sticking with the single card option, it's a nice upgrade for longevity. The new AMD cards are out Oct 18th apparently (with the reveal of the flagship coming in a couple days). I'm not sure I'd trust the 'leaked' benches just yet, but if the prove to be real, the R9 290X could be a beast of a card for around $600.

You already have a primary SSD and most of the other equipment is solid so really the only things you'll see any benefit from is a new CPU, a new GPU, or SLI'ing that 680 FTW.

I can't find a new 680 FTW anywhere (other than one seller on amazon that wants $3,072 for it... lol) and you're looking at around $500 for a used one. If you feel comfortable buying a 2nd one that's used, go for it, as SLI 680s will out perform the 780 HoF and the Titan. And your PSU should handle it fine.

Also just as a heads up as some people aren't aware, SLI'ing doesn't give you 8GB of VRAM, it's still only 4GB, the workload is just split among both, but running in SLI doesn't add the two amounts together.


OK thanks so much for all your help!

Isn't my cpu pretty top notch though? what better cpu's are out there other than the new haswell ones? The AMD better? I saw you were mentioning they have new gpu's coming out soon but what are they? I am still learning about all this i didn't even realize AMD and intel required different gpu's?

Also, could i not sli one of these with mine? http://www.ebay.com/itm/EVGA-GeForce-GTX-680-FTW-LE-2-GB-02G-P4-3684-KR-/231056817608?pt=PCC_Video_TV_Cards&hash=item35cc0f3dc8
post #20 of 22
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Originally Posted by Mikeclough24 View Post

OK thanks so much for all your help!

Isn't my cpu pretty top notch though? what better cpu's are out there other than the new haswell ones? The AMD better? I saw you were mentioning they have new gpu's coming out soon but what are they? I am still learning about all this i didn't even realize AMD and intel required different gpu's?

Also, could i not sli one of these with mine? http://www.ebay.com/itm/EVGA-GeForce-GTX-680-FTW-LE-2-GB-02G-P4-3684-KR-/231056817608?pt=PCC_Video_TV_Cards&hash=item35cc0f3dc8

Yeah your CPU is the top end quad from the previous gen, that's why I say the benefit from upgrading your mobo and CPU will be minimal, and would really only be for longevity when we get newer tech stuff that new gen boards and processors can make use of. Haswell in particular loves faster ram for example.

As to running SLI with a 2GB card, yes, you can do that, but it then limits your current 4GB to only 2GB. They will work fine in SLI, but they are then limited to the lowest VRAM card. So you have to decide if that's worth it. Honestly it won't be that much of a hit in gaming at 1080p to lose that extra 2GB, but as mentioned above, if you start running very heavy VRAM usage games (i.e. modded Skyrim, ENB injectors for things like GTA4, and other things etc,) You may run into that 2GB cap rather fast. But for most anything stock at the highest settings, you should be ok.

EDIT: I just realized I didn't address the AMD CPUs, no, don't bother. You already have the Intel side covered. AMD chips can be great when building on a budget for a NEW build, not an upgrade. AMD hasn't released anything new lately other than the 9590 and the 9370. Both octo-cores, the former at 4.7GHz stock (5GHz boost) and the latter at 4.4 and 4.8. But they can only be bought in bundles and the cheapest is over $700. Also, they're not that impressive for gaming. As a workstation setup, sure, but don't even consider them with what your base components are, it's not worth it.
Edited by Marafice Eye - 9/23/13 at 2:53am
post #21 of 22
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Originally Posted by Mikeclough24 View Post

I like the sound of the 780 HOF card but i did just get this 680 ftw not long ago so figured i'd try the SLI rout. Purchased it and then realized there was the 700 series coming out like a month later. It seems to run everything I play great so far(BF3, Crysis 3, Metro last light, Skyrim) etc. but what do i gain by upgrading further? Basically i want to keep upgrading and was just looking for what i should do next.

You have a fantastic system all-around. If the games you play run great, then I don't see a point in upgrading at this time.

The upgrade bug will just keep biting. Towards the end of next year you'll probably clamor for Haswell-E and want a mammoth 6- or 8-core CPU with quad-channel DDR4 RAM. It never ends. biggrin.gif
post #22 of 22
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Originally Posted by MSmith83 View Post

You have a fantastic system all-around. If the games you play run great, then I don't see a point in upgrading at this time.

The upgrade bug will just keep biting. Towards the end of next year you'll probably clamor for Haswell-E and want a mammoth 6- or 8-core CPU with quad-channel DDR4 RAM. It never ends. biggrin.gif

Agreed, that's kinda been the point I've been trying to make without straight out saying it. Any upgrades at this point are incremental for the cost. In terms of longevity of your current system, SLI or a new card altogether are the only things that will give you better performance in games over the next couple years. If you're dead set on upgrading something, make it your GPU. Go SLI, or get a new single card.
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