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post #1021 of 2566
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Originally Posted by tim1000 View Post
 

for those who purchased the w series, why did you pick it over the xbr 4k tv? what are the differences between xbr series and w series?


Waiting for the 4k content and technology to catch up. I almost never buy first generation electronics. When 4k content comes out and all the new technology kinks are worked out I'll buy a 4k then. For now, it makes very little sense to spend that much money for very little benefit.

post #1022 of 2566
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everything is the same except for the 4k resolution and for me spending $2000 more is not worth for now cause there is only little content to view in 4k.is 

are they also physically the same, thickness and design?

how well are the xbr selling being that there is not much 4k content? 

where there be 4k content soon?

why are people on here picking up the xbr over w?

post #1023 of 2566
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Originally Posted by tim1000 View Post

for those who purchased the w series, why did you pick it over the xbr 4k tv? what are the differences between xbr series and w series?

Price difference. I paid $1730ish in Canada and all my local HD content is 1080p, being widely available.

And Netflix SuperHD at up to 7Mps is already killing our monthly BW bucket.

UHD/4K downloads or streams would probably max me out in less than a week.

I have to say 1y free NF and H+ is awesome, I've put them on several devices in the house so we don't necessarily have to use the Sony for them.
post #1024 of 2566
BTW, in Canada, put your router on US VPN for NF and H+.

For H+, to bypass zipcode signup, use only the digits in your postal code, then add 00, 01, 02 until it matches a real zip in the US using the USPS online zipcode finder.

It's the same number you use at US gas stations requiring a zip at the pump.
post #1025 of 2566
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Originally Posted by tim1000 View Post

are they also physically the same, thickness and design?
how well are the xbr selling being that there is not much 4k content? 
where there be 4k content soon?
why are people on here picking up the xbr over w?


someone mention in this thread that most of the parts use in xbr850a are use also in w850a so i guess they are physically the same. i also see both of them in local store before i purchase my w850a and they are exactly the same the only difference is the xbr logo on the top right of the tv and the 4k resolution.
post #1026 of 2566
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Originally Posted by deniesant View Post

someone mention in this thread that most of the parts use in xbr850a are use also in w850a so i guess they are physically the same. i also see both of them in local store before i purchase my w850a and they are exactly the same the only difference is the xbr logo on the top right of the tv and the 4k resolution.

I have seen the xbr850a next to the w850a playing the same 1080p blu-ray. There is no comparison, the xbr850a had much better picture quality. Color, contrast, black level, lack of vertical banding, everything.
post #1027 of 2566
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Originally Posted by vinuonline View Post

Since you mentioned about amazon, I will share an interesting experience I had with amazon which i didn't care to include in my previous post. 5 days ago I first ordered 55W900A through Amazon. They had it for $1789 + tax and 2% rewards back. After placing the order, the next day I found the price of $1599+ $99 shipping+ no tax with J&R. I called Amazon and the guy said they can price match only $1688 ($1599+$99shipping) , and finally I went for it. That evening I found that buydig has it for $1599+ no shipping + no tax. I called amazon again, but they refused to price match again as their policy allows only one price match. I talked with couple of different reps with the same result. I cancelled that order and went to BB. I have always considered Amazon as one of the best store to buy stuff online with their hassle free returns and all, and I still do. But this definitely was not the best experience with them.

Since when does their policy allow only 1 price match? i think I price matched 3 times back before the winter holidays.. Is that a new 2014 thing?
post #1028 of 2566
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Originally Posted by Ahzari View Post

Since when does their policy allow only 1 price match? i think I price matched 3 times back before the winter holidays.. Is that a new 2014 thing?

http://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=201133250

This is the link to their 'TV Low Price Guarantee Terms & Conditions'. If you go to 'Additional Terms and Conditions', #1 says " Only one unit purchased of an item per customer is eligible for the Guarantee (that is, multiple claims on the same item will not be eligible, regardless of the quantity ordered), and the Guarantee can only be applied once per item, even if a lower-priced offer is subsequently found.".

However I believe that it varies depending on the customer service rep you talk to, the case you are calling about, whether you are a prime member or not etc. Some customer service reps are really not smart enough to win customers but they just lose them too easily.
post #1029 of 2566
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Originally Posted by *UFO* View Post

I have seen the xbr850a next to the w850a playing the same 1080p blu-ray. There is no comparison, the xbr850a had much better picture quality. Color, contrast, black level, lack of vertical banding, everything.


of course there is no comparison for 2k more it is supposed to beat the w850a otherwise more will choose the W if they have the same pq, black level.
i only stated the physical design and for what i seen the difference is the xbr logo on the top right of screen.
post #1030 of 2566
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Originally Posted by deniesant View Post

of course there is no comparison for 2k more it is supposed to beat the w850a otherwise more will choose the W if they have the same pq, black level.
i only stated the physical design and for what i seen the difference is the xbr logo on the top right of screen.

And the frame, and the internal processing, and the.....
post #1031 of 2566
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Originally Posted by Ahzari View Post

Since when does their policy allow only 1 price match? i think I price matched 3 times back before the winter holidays.. Is that a new 2014 thing?

I got two price matches on my set from Amazon. One saved $325 when some California online TV dealer lowered his price a week for this set after I bought my set from Amazon then for $2698. The middle of the second week Amazon lowered their price for the Square-Trade 5-year extended warranty, so I saved a little more money. These price matches took place last October. Looks like Amazon may have started some stricter rules since then.
post #1032 of 2566
Like I have said before, this set makes a killer picture when playing a blu-ray disk. This is a screen shot from my TV from the trailer for a good movie called, Instructions.. I can't see my TV stand in this one again due to the black living room. I keep the on indicator LED on sleep? so it won't glare when I watch TV although It will light if I press any button on the remote.


Edited by WhiteSands - 2/3/14 at 3:52am
post #1033 of 2566
^ that movie looks good/funny

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Originally Posted by ancaster View Post

Setting Memory is set to "Common" yet when I turn on my htpc or play a movie in xbmc, it flashes "Scene selection has been changed". Input is HDMI1.

Any ideas? I tried to look for a setting in my Nvidia Ion video card that was taking over but couldn't find it.

Bump

Anyone running theirs with an htpc-xbmc and noticing the same?
post #1034 of 2566
Just was notified for an update on the tv today. Is there a way to find out what was updated?
post #1035 of 2566
+1, are Sony TV FW updates well beta tested?
post #1036 of 2566
The firmware listing at Sony's support site has not been updated yet. When it's updated you can get a very basic description:

http://esupport.sony.com/

Leon
post #1037 of 2566
I did the update, but I can't report anything good or bad to be honest.

Leon
post #1038 of 2566
I wish someday that Sony would take the speakers out of the TV cabinet and make them external. Something like include a soundbar with a adequate size external subwoofer. Make it were you could pay a lower price for 3 soundbar sizes or qualities to go with your newly bought speaker-less television. Do this with a coupon or proof of purchase receipt. This would eliminate the output audio stage including the speakers. This would make the new TV somewhat lighter and would also cost less.

This below my be a update about Sony's deeper involvement in 4K. Looks like this will be the new standard not that long into our future. No doubt the prices will fall once these sets pick up on sales. If the networks later goes 4K down the road it would be much easier than when they went from analog to digital signals. The analog to digital done years ago was very costly. They had to change out everything from the cameras to the transmitters including their towers and broadcasting antennas. The towers and antennas due to keeping the outdated analog still running while they built the new digital towers and antennas. The Satellite TV companies had to put up new digital satellites which had many more channels due to the new digital compression. The big networks helped pay the cost to the TV channel owners for the digital conversion. Fox paid a half the cost of the conversion and also doubled their output power including a much taller new tower at each of their Fox transmitters in the larger cities.

This from ExtremeTech:

http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/174222-ces-2014-sonys-superb-new-4k-uhd-tvs-prove-theres-more-to-image-quality-than-just-resolution.
Edited by WhiteSands - 2/3/14 at 1:13pm
post #1039 of 2566
I will stick with the obsolete 1080p technology for a few years still... rolleyes.gif
post #1040 of 2566
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Originally Posted by ancaster View Post

^ that movie looks good/funny
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Anyone running theirs with an htpc-xbmc and noticing the same?

Could be the set is throwing you over to some presets designed just to run with the htpc-xbmc your using. I'm finding the TV switches to a special picture mode when looking at inputs for pictures or any 3D content. On my set it shows in the upper left corner once i press home/ pictures and display/ 3D or pictures.

The star of the movie said, once they completed the movie, "Instructions not INCLUDED" he didn't think much of it. Then found lines a couple blocks long wanting to get inside the theater to see it. Their is spanish in it including english, the spanish has text in the lower part of the screen making is very easy to read. It's a well photographed including great color by LionsGate and this is really good movie with lots of funny's in it and it really holds your interest in the latter part of the movie. This guy looks and acts so much like a younger Johnny Depp you would think they are twins, like from the Depp character in his pirate movies. The blu-ray version of this movie is has the best picture quality.
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Edited by WhiteSands - 2/3/14 at 1:36pm
post #1041 of 2566
Thanks. I'll check when I get home.
Any idea how to fix that, or where in the settings that might be?
post #1042 of 2566
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Originally Posted by ancaster View Post

Thanks. I'll check when I get home.
Any idea how to fix that, or where in the settings that might be?

Are you using "Auto" scene?
post #1043 of 2566
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Originally Posted by bm01 View Post

Are you using "Auto" scene?

Thanks both of you. Figured it out, and I'm sure I've read it before because googling the answer was a deja vu. I didn't pay attention reading it the first time.

Apparently each input has it's own Scene Selection. So while in HDMI1, I had to set it to "General".
Edited by ancaster - 2/3/14 at 4:36pm
post #1044 of 2566
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Originally Posted by vinuonline View Post


I agree with you, it's personal preference. Samsung color pops out, with the yellow side of the palette more predominant. It's like when I take pictures on my Nikon D90 with the cloudy white balance and vivid mode on. Some people prefer that look. I felt that the Sony color is more natural and more importantly easy on your eyes. That is a very important factor when it comes to hours of viewing. If you really want to see the difference between these TV's(and I 'm saying from W900A side since I couldn't see W850A at the store), you should compare the blue's and the skin tones. I don't know if proper calibration would yield such eye pleasing results from Samsung, may be, may be not.

I've probably told this story here several times already but when I first started my quest for a large flat screen TV to replace the 42" that was in my family room I bought a 60" 6000 series Samsung without actually watching it first in the store.  Needless to say this was a big mistake!  Within about an hour of watching the new TV I noticed my eyes stinging.  I figured it was the size of the TV that was bothering me so I started pushing the TV stand further and further away until it was all the way in the corner of my family room over 16' away from where I sit and I was still getting eye fatigue within a very short period of time of watching the TV.  If I watched 2 hour movie my eyes would sting for a half hour afterward.  I tried turning down the backlight but then the TV lost a lot of definition.  I also tried adjusting the colors for hours but I simply couldn't get natural color or brightness out of that thing no matter what I tried.  I finally had to return the it at which point the salesman at Best Buy recommended I try a plasma.  I got the Panasonic ST60 and absolutely fell in love with that TV right up until it got burn-in.  The plasma picture was just so warm and natural.  The blacks were super deep which made colors stand out brilliantly but without being too bright or harsh like the Samsung LCD.  Skin tones were vastly better as well and that's something I really look for in a TV now.  I've seen some LCD TV's that will make a person's face look like some grotesque Claymation version of a human face, as if it's made of wax or something but the W850A is fantastic in how natural and realistic it can render human facial features.  It's nearly as good as plasma in this regard.  Not quite that good but still very good and the best I've seen from an LCD in this price range.

 

I now realize the best TV is not the one with the brightest screen or the most cartoonish eye popping colors that only look good under the ultra bright fluorescent lights of some big box store.  The best TV's are the ones that look the most like real life and you can watch them for hours without experiencing any eye fatigue whatsoever regardless of how big the screen is.  The Triluminous Display Sony's are the closest thing I've found to capturing that magic plasma picture quality in an LCD screen.

post #1045 of 2566
Are Sony PS3 active 3D glasses compatible with this set?

I noticed on another forum they are $10 at Bestbuy and Futureshop (Canada)
post #1046 of 2566
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Originally Posted by tim1000 View Post
 

for those who purchased the w series, why did you pick it over the xbr 4k tv? what are the differences between xbr series and w series?

To be perfectly honest, the price was the main reason I chose the W850A over the XBR series.  Right now there's just not enough 4K content for me to pay the price difference to own a 4K TV.  I also feel like trying to figure out how far the 4K prices will drop before bottoming is kind of like trying to catch a falling knife.  Everyone knows they are going to drop and probably by a lot so I opted to buy a 1080p TV and watch it for the next few years while the dust settles before taking the leap to 4K and potentially OLED, etc.  Also, not being made of money $4,500 is a heck of a lot of money for me to spend on a TV no matter how amazing it is and I do think the new Sony 4K's are amazing.  I know there's been a lot written by the AV press about how you have to be within a foot of the screen to tell the difference between 1080 and 4K but when I'm standing in the store 5 feet away watching a 4K TV show true 4K content I think the 4K stuff looks significantly better than even the best 1080p TV's.  And of course on a giant screen TV like the new 84" Sony 4K is essential as far as I'm concerned!

 

With all that said, hand to God I personally can not see the difference between a 4K TV showing 1080 content and a good 1080 TV showing the same content.  One day I was watching the same movie at Magnolia through the W850A and the XBR55X850A and as much as I wanted the XBR to look better I simply couldn't see a difference.  The black levels looked just as deep on the W850A and the colors were equally as magnificent as well.  Motion handling even looked about the same.  The movie was dark so I couldn't see if it had better screen uniformity than the W850A against a pure white background but as far as the viewing experience on that day with that content I could see no difference.  The XBR does have a more reflective screen than the W850A but the picture quality looks virtually identical when showing 1080 content.

 

It's funny, even though Sony has been working on rendering a lot their movie catalog in 4K they chose to provide mainly stills for their retailers to show in the display TV's in the stores.  The 65" XBR at my local Magnolia store shows 4K stills of classic art pieces in a continuous loop.  As incredible as those stills look I'd rather see more of what the new 4K sets can do playing video and movies since that's what I'd be using a TV like that for.


Edited by JackBurton1986 - 2/3/14 at 6:22pm
post #1047 of 2566
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Originally Posted by Brundy View Post

Hi guys! I would just like to thank WhiteSands and JackBurton1986 for all the helpful info. I have owned this set for over 3 weeks now. I live in Ontario Canada and for the money there is no other tv that comes close. The samsung f8000 and f8500 plasma are 1200 and 1000 more respectively. I bought mine on Boxing Day for 1999.99 + tax, total price of 2300.00 with delivery and two year warranty. The picture on this tv is incredible. The best 3D I have ever seen. The best motion for sports I have ever seen. Yes this panel is not perfect. There is ever so slight banding on panning shots against white backgrounds. If you are watching the content and not tirelessly trying to find fault you will not notice it. Hockey is the only instance where this was slightly annoying for me and after calibrating it no longer bothers me. I will speak to the bullseye that few are experiencing. I went out to future shop and best buy and both had this model on display. Both showed the bullseye during content. Both had the hdmi input on MHL 2. I have never seen the bullseye on my set. WhiteSands brought this up many pages back and I think hdmi input is an issue when viewing instore. I am writing because I think we need more people talking about how good this set is. The depth of colour and motion handling alone is an incredible value in my option. Thank you again to all the people that contribute to this feed.

Glad to hear you're enjoying your TV.  I must say I'm jealous of these Boxing Day sales I keep hearing about though. :)  1,999 CAD is a heck of a good price for a W850A!

post #1048 of 2566
Well after hours and hour of reading we are going to pull the trigger on the 65w850a next week. After seeing both the f8000 and this I just think the PQ is better on the Sony. On top of that my friend is going to come over after I get it and do a professional calibration for me. I will post his setting after he gets done.
Thanks for all the good info all..
post #1049 of 2566
Do yourselves a favour and, provided that your bluray player is compatible, download the AVSHD 709 image and burn it onto a DVD, and go through at least the basic settings for brightness, contrast, colour, tint and sharpness. You'll have to get a blue filter to do the colour and tint. It's well worth the trouble. The result is amazing. I find that the settings for the bluray input also work very well for Netflix and other apps, as well as streaming from a home server.

The cable box is another story, though. I'm not sure what they do to these things, but the calibrated settings for my bluray player looked terrible on my cable box. I just eyeballed that one.
post #1050 of 2566
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Originally Posted by bm01 View Post

Do yourselves a favour and, provided that your bluray player is compatible, download the AVSHD 709 image and burn it onto a DVD, and go through at least the basic settings for brightness, contrast, colour, tint and sharpness. You'll have to get a blue filter to do the colour and tint. It's well worth the trouble. The result is amazing. I find that the settings for the bluray input also work very well for Netflix and other apps, as well as streaming from a home server.

The cable box is another story, though. I'm not sure what they do to these things, but the calibrated settings for my bluray player looked terrible on my cable box. I just eyeballed that one.
I loaded the mp4 version in my thumb drive and used it from there for the Sammy I have right now. Should I have burnt it to a DVD and used it that way.
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