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post #121 of 2620
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Originally Posted by Ahzari View Post

So tried calling - they wanted to include shipping in PCMalls price and refund me less.. Went to check if PCMall had coupons or something for shipping (the didnt) went back and called Amazon again, new guy didnt even care refunded me based on the listed price ignored the shipping cost. Thanks for posting that (can't believe I missed PCM = PCMall - Amazon needs to update their listing).

In regards to the F8000 (gui3), I remember seeing quiet a few reviews on Amazon regarding screen uniformity issues - I hadnt looked at AVS threads cause at the time I wasnt that interested in the F8000. Just based on my personal experiences with Samsung and having a few relatives and friends have much better experiences with Sonys I decided on the W850 and so far so good. Picture doesnt blow me away, but then again I haven't had a TV picture blow me away since the first time I ever saw a 120hz 1080p Samsung at Best Buy. My main concerns with a TV purchase were screen uniformity and black levels and the 850 really delivers in those two areas.

I think you talked to the same guy I did in Minnesota on the price match. His name was Nick and he gave me the Amazon direct phone to call for one more price match. It's 866 423-5353. I got my TV on monday and he said i'm good for one more price match till October 31st. I looked again at PCM's (pcmall) price for this w850a TV now at $2359.99. He first said PCM was not a authorized web site. I told him others online have got the PCM price match on this same set. He put me on hold, came back minutes later and said he would credit me the $338.01 difference. I mentioned that was enough to pay for the square trade 5-year extended warranty. Now to look for lower prices for this set. I wonder how many have to call and get the price difference to get Amazon to post a new lower price.
post #122 of 2620
White Sands,

How far to you sit from this set? I currently sit 8.5 feet from my 50" set. Would 65" be too large from that distance?
post #123 of 2620
Also can't wait for comments and reviews from gamers concerning imput lag times for this set.
post #124 of 2620
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Originally Posted by WhiteSands View Post

I think you talked to the same guy I did in Minnesota on the price match. His name was Nick and he gave me the Amazon direct phone to call for one more price match. It's 866 423-5353. I got my TV on monday and he said i'm good for one more price match till October 31st. I looked again at PCM's (pcmall) price for this w850a TV now at $2359.99. He first said PCM was not a authorized web site. I told him others online have got the PCM price match on this same set. He put me on hold, came back minutes later and said he would credit me the $338.01 difference. I mentioned that was enough to pay for the square trade 5-year extended warranty. Now to look for lower prices for this set. I wonder how many have to call and get the price difference to get Amazon to post a new lower price.

Thanks for posting this! I just price matched pc mall this morning and noticed your post. I just chatted with amazon again and I got another price match!
post #125 of 2620
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Originally Posted by WhiteSands View Post

I think you talked to the same guy I did in Minnesota on the price match. His name was Nick and he gave me the Amazon direct phone to call for one more price match. It's 866 423-5353. I got my TV on monday and he said i'm good for one more price match till October 31st. I looked again at PCM's (pcmall) price for this w850a TV now at $2359.99. He first said PCM was not a authorized web site. I told him others online have got the PCM price match on this same set. He put me on hold, came back minutes later and said he would credit me the $338.01 difference. I mentioned that was enough to pay for the square trade 5-year extended warranty. Now to look for lower prices for this set. I wonder how many have to call and get the price difference to get Amazon to post a new lower price.



Thanks for your update!
I was able to get them to yet again price match the extra $120 but i wont be able to price match again. tongue.gif
Below is my proof... very effortless.

LEAD Technologies Inc. V1.01
post #126 of 2620
ufo, thanks for the clarification ; I look forward to seeing the set .Do you own the w900? The w900 has a great picture, I think those of us wanting a larger set were hoping for a clone.
post #127 of 2620
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Originally Posted by jetjocky View Post

ufo, thanks for the clarification ; I look forward to seeing the set .Do you own the w900? The w900 has a great picture, I think those of us wanting a larger set were hoping for a clone.

Yes I do, and I was hoping for the same which is why I was pretty excited to go see it. Unfortunately its just not the same caliber of tv. It is also still unknown whether this tv is going to live up to the 20ms input lag that the w900 and w802 achieve. My guess is that it will, but they wouldn't let me test it with my LB input lag tester at the store. mad.gif I will try a different store and see if they will let me. At $2,700 this tv is competing with models such as the Samsung UN65F7100 which is 240hz native and a few hundred less, and a set with similar specs is the Samsung UN65F6400 which is almost $1,000 (eek.gif) less than the w850. Of course these dont have triluminous tech and have high input lag.
Edited by *UFO* - 10/16/13 at 4:46pm
post #128 of 2620
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Originally Posted by Cg006 View Post

Thanks for your update!
I was able to get them to yet again price match the extra $120 but i wont be able to price match again. tongue.gif
Below is my proof... very effortless.

LEAD Technologies Inc. V1.01

I dont know if its the same Andrew, but I was talking to an Andrew before regarding the price match. This is just awesome that it went down again (thanks PCMall...). And thanks for posting this WhiteSands - i totally would not have thought to check again.
post #129 of 2620
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Originally Posted by grif82 View Post

White Sands,

How far to you sit from this set? I currently sit 8.5 feet from my 50" set. Would 65" be too large from that distance?

I sit a little under 12 feet and 65 is big.. but not comically but big - at 8.5ft you'll risk the picture quality not being to your liking since that same 1080p signal is being stretched from 50-65.

According to these charts though you fit in the range at 8.5 ft.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Optimum_HDTV_viewing_distance
post #130 of 2620
Grif82, I come up with 7 to 8 feet so were close on the viewing distance. One thing I really like, in the old CRT days you get close to a TV and the picture looked fuzzy. With these new flat panel digital TV's the picture is razor sharp. Now you have a great picture to watch even if your 3 or 4 feet from the set. If you get to large a screen or sit to close you might get tired of turning your head when watching football games. lol In my case a 70" set might be to large for my viewing distance in our medium sized living room.

I used the youtube app on the 55" panasonic plasma set I had been using before it went out. I could not figure out how they could take that tiny default picture on the computer screen and blow it up to 55" and look just as clear as in a movie theater. No doubt it's the sets processor that does the work of blowing up a small picture to full screen and keeping it still looking good.

I enjoy watching music videos on the big screen and the good sound from the TV. I have not tried the youtube app on this new w65850a set as yet. I'm sure it will be as good as the broken Panny set.

I have no idea if anybody here likes country music. This is last seasons winner of The Voice, young Danielle Bradbery singing Grandpa. This is a great way to check your audio settings and notice just how clear a youtube video can be on the big TV screen. It should look as good as the original TV show. On your TV youtube app, search for her name, Grandpa and it should show in the list of results to play it on your TV. The site below is the youtube video. Crank up the volume and enjoy..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RatHpjyjd8
Edited by WhiteSands - 10/16/13 at 10:28pm
post #131 of 2620
This morning I called the Sony Service Center near Dallas and talked to one of the older Technicians that serviced the TV's. I ask the punch code on the remote to open the Service Mode page on the screen to look for the panel number. I called off the one I use on my Bravia sets. I told him it won't work on this new Sony 65W850A set. He said all the code for the service mode have been the same from way back when.

I guess I can try again to open it up. The alternative would be to remove the back of the TV and get the panel # from the label that's stamped to the back of the panel itself. I would like to know the panel number myself. Most likely the panel is made by Samsung but not sure since Sony is using blue LED's for their new back lights. Think I mentioned earlier that the blue LED's are coated with a clear like yellow color to produce a more sunlight look. This new method gives the TV many more color combinations.

A lady at Sony registered my TV after I ask he to do so. She offered me a extended warranty on this set I paid $2360 for due to Amazon's price matching. She said a 2-year extended warranty would cost $130 and a 3-year extended warranty would be $180 for that priced TV. This would be a full repair and if the set can't be fixed Sony would replace the set. I thought to myself, yea a refurbished one. I also ask if the extended warranty starts after the set's first year of free warranty. No, it would start immediately. I think all extended warranties are the same on the start up date.

No doubt, square-trade blows this away and if the set can't be fixed I much rather have my purchase price fully refunded so I can buy a newer set or another brand if I wanted.
post #132 of 2620
And now the TV is gone from PCMall. I wonder why?

When I chatted with Amazon they would only give me the difference minus the shipping charge. Then I tried to price match again when the price dropped at PCM but they wouldn't do it.

I even referenced the two screenshots of people's chats and the operator just said that they shouldn't have done that.

Might try calling tomorrow if the TV shows back up on PCM.
post #133 of 2620
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Originally Posted by jmilacek View Post

And now the TV is gone from PCMall. I wonder why?

When I chatted with Amazon they would only give me the difference minus the shipping charge. Then I tried to price match again when the price dropped at PCM but they wouldn't do it.

I even referenced the two screenshots of people's chats and the operator just said that they shouldn't have done that.

Might try calling tomorrow if the TV shows back up on PCM.

The guy tried to do that to me too, he said that they dont do double price matching, but i said that it says nothing on their website regarding that. I really feel like its a hit or miss with the agents, if one doesnt work call again and talk to someone else.

PCMall likely sold out, I called them yday to see if they had any free shipping promotions (in case amazon tried to add the shipping again to the refund again) and they said they only had a few more sets in stock. guess they lowered the price to clear inventory.

Honestly wouldnt be surprised if amazon bought their last few to keep their price up haha.. (jk)
post #134 of 2620
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Originally Posted by WhiteSands View Post

This morning I called the Sony Service Center near Dallas and talked to one of the older Technicians that serviced the TV's. I ask the punch code on the remote to open the Service Mode page on the screen to look for the panel number. I called off the one I use on my Bravia sets. I told him it won't work on this new Sony 65W850A set. He said all the code for the service mode have been the same from way back when.

I guess I can try again to open it up. The alternative would be to remove the back of the TV and get the panel # from the label that's stamped to the back of the panel itself. I would like to know the panel number myself. Most likely the panel is made by Samsung but not sure since Sony is using blue LED's for their new back lights. Think I mentioned earlier that the blue LED's are coated with a clear like yellow color to produce a more sunlight look. This new method gives the TV many more color combinations.

A lady at Sony registered my TV after I ask he to do so. She offered me a extended warranty on this set I paid $2360 for due to Amazon's price matching. She said a 2-year extended warranty would cost $130 and a 3-year extended warranty would be $180 for that priced TV. This would be a full repair and if the set can't be fixed Sony would replace the set. I thought to myself, yea a refurbished one. I also ask if the extended warranty starts after the set's first year of free warranty. No, it would start immediately. I think all extended warranties are the same on the start up date.

No doubt, square-trade blows this away and if the set can't be fixed I much rather have my purchase price fully refunded so I can buy a newer set or another brand if I wanted.

In order to open to service menu to view the panel number, the tv must first be off. Then, grab the remote and push the following button in this order: display, 5, volume +, power. You do not hold these down, just push one after another. Pushing them to fast causes it not to work. The tv will power on and you will get the screen pictured below. The letters and numbers on the bottom are the panel number. To exit, just power off the tv.


Edited by *UFO* - 10/17/13 at 12:08pm
post #135 of 2620
I also called PCM and found they are located in the suburbs of Los Angeles. I talked to a young salesman and had him look up this Sony 65" set which he finally found. On their home page in the right column page down and they still show the set under Previously Sold Items still with the price at $2359.99. I clicked on the TV to open the sale page. I said in large letters, This TV is no longer available. I looked again at the PCM home page and now the set and previously sold items is not their anymore.

I called anyway to ask why the new set was just released for sale by Sony on October 4th and now it's not available anymore. He did some checking and said if I wanted to buy the TV for the $2359.99 price, he can get one from a partner's warehouse. I ask about free shipping and he said it would cost $169 to ship to my location here in new mexico. I ask if he could do better than that. He looked and said $100 is as low as he could go on shipping. This would be by a private carrier as FedEX and UPS both have like 60? pound weight limits.

My guess is anybody looking for PCM to come up again with a low price for this set. Then make pcm.com/ you homepage. I did this back when I bought the Panasonic and located some dealer that dropped the price and Amazon gladly matched that price. I also have had some good luck using the few sales search engines.

While looking though those I may have found another hit.. I found the set, kdl565w850 a on sale for $2400. Sounds great they show 72 sets on hand. This is with free shipping except to CA and MA.
Now the good part I looked at the bottom of the page and saw this:

Due to the size/weight of this item, for organizations without loading dock and personal purchases, a Lift Gate service charge ($120) and/or inside delivery surcharge ($60) will be applied to your order. Please contact our customer service before placing orders.

So after adding the $180 to their very low $2406.57 price I come up with $2586.57 which sounds good a first but that's now only $111 less than Amazon's price.
post #136 of 2620
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Originally Posted by *UFO* View Post

In order to open to service menu to view the panel number, the tv must first be off. Then, grab the remote and push the following button in this order: display, 5, volume +, power. You do not hold these down, just push one after another. Pushing them to fast causes it not to work. The tv will power on and you will get the screen pictured below. The letters and numbers on the bottom are the panel number. To exit, just power off the tv.

I did that a few days ago trying like you said to press the keys normally fast. I also tried slow and each time the TV screen would light up after pressing lastly the pwr button. Today I tried it 3 times again starting with the TV off. This time I tried twice using the - volume instead of the + volume which works ok on my other 3 Sony sets.

I may do some online searching to see if Sony may have changed the remote key method to get to the Service Mode screen. Thought I read a while back that you may now have to use the keys actually on the TV set coded to get to it. That may be panasonic though, can't remember. If I had help I could sit the TV in the floor to remove the rear cover and look for the panel Tag which had the #. I may as I would love to take a picture of the layout of the circuit boards and compare that to the panny plasma that went out recently.
post #137 of 2620
Mine only works if the remote is in the perfect spot for the sensor to pick up the signal. I have to do it a few times for it to work but only 2-3 times. The code hasnt changed in a while and considering the w850 uses similar processing and GUI, I dont see why it would be different. Can anyone else with this tv try this?
post #138 of 2620
I got my credit from Amazon today. I honestly hope I like this tv because after the price matches from pc mall, this set only cost me a few hundred more than the W900a and it's 10 inches bigger! Hopefully I am satisfied with the black levels. I honestly wanted the W900a but 55" is not big enough. I could have done it but it would have been hard dropping down to a 55" after having a 60" for over 3 years. I normally sit around 11.5 feet back from my tv. I'm about 10 feet back now though because the tv will be on a stand (I will be moving down the road and didn't want to mess with wall mounting another tv for now). That does put the set closer but for me a 55" set is better at 7-8 feet.
Edited by YOTR - 10/17/13 at 8:31pm
post #139 of 2620
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Originally Posted by YOTR View Post

Hopefully I am satisfied with the black levels. I honestly wanted the W900a but 55" is not big enough. I could have done it but it would have been hard dropping down to a 55" after having a 60" for over 3 years.

I'm in the same boat, I've had my 60" for 9 years.

Good luck with your new purchase YOTR. I'm still on the fence, so I'm looking forward to reading your report.
post #140 of 2620
Has anyone gamed on this yet? Or ran any hardware tests and have numbers? I think I fall into a pretty big segment of people who are looking for a TV for next gen consoles. I know the 802 and 900 are amazing gaming TV's. But the 65in size is so tempting. I am really interesting in seeing how this performs for gaming. Plus the occasional Lord of the Rings marathon wink.gif
post #141 of 2620
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Originally Posted by DaverJ View Post

I'm in the same boat, I've had my 60" for 9 years.

Good luck with your new purchase YOTR. I'm still on the fence, so I'm looking forward to reading your report.

I will definitely report back. It has been hard deciding on a tv. My finalists were a Sony 950, Elite lcd, W900a, and the W850a. I wanted FALD but the prices are still high even for a closeout. I almost bought an Elite lcd new that I found but was worried about support and replacement if it went bad (Sharp is pretty much out of refurbs and new sets so most likely I would just get a credit if it failed) and it was still pretty expensive to me. I did have an Elite set for a couple of weeks and it was amazing. I had issues with it though and sent it back to Sharp. It had better black levels than my old Kuro which is saying something. I know without FALD, any lcd will not match a plasma with regards to black levels.

I tried a VT60 but had IR issues almost immediately and that was disturbing coming from a Kuro. It looked amazing but I didn't want to have to baby my tv to use it. The W900a is a great set but as I stated before, the 55" size is just to small. I didn't want to have regret about the size and I know I would have. The 950 was also a contender but hearing people swapping out 3 and 4 of them because of various issues (and the fact that stock is almost gone which means you probably wouldn't get another one if it failed), made me look at other options.

Then came the W850a. With the price matching I got, I REALLY want this set to be the one. It was attractive at it's current price but now that I have saved $400 more, it's a way better deal. I just want a set that has a uniform screen without flashlighting or clouding. I realize that most lcd's will have a bit of it but I am praying that mine is clean. Black levels are important to me but at the same time I know going in that this will not be a Kuro or an Elite lcd. As long as the black levels are dark, I am good with that. I thought hte W900a was impressive but I wouldn't call it's black levels mind blowing. They were very some of the best I have seen for an lcd without FALD though. So if the W850 gets close to the W900a, I can deal with it considering it's the size I want.
post #142 of 2620
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Originally Posted by cMotz View Post

Has anyone gamed on this yet? Or ran any hardware tests and have numbers?

No reports on the 850 yet, but Sony's W series is excellent for input lag, so there should be no reason this one is any different. Input lag seems to be pretty consistent within Sony's series lines.

But, as a gamer like you, I would love actual numbers on this set. And a professional PQ review would be nice, too.
Edited by DaverJ - 10/18/13 at 7:30am
post #143 of 2620
I just purchased a Sony 65 " KDL65W850A last week and it arrived Wednesday from Amazon for $2458.11 including Tax and Free Shipping and 2% back in rewards.

The standard price was $2698.00 plus tax on Amazon. I asked for a price match from PCMALL.com even thou they did not have the TV in stock, but now it appears PCMALL do not have the TV any longer?

My invoice is attached.
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The Picture is nice but I need to calibrate the TV - any suggestions?
Edited by onedah - 10/18/13 at 2:13pm
post #144 of 2620
How does this set perform when viewing off angle from the side? Does it have the same problem as the W900 with a very restricted viewing angle and white screens turning pink? I returned the W900 for that reason.
post #145 of 2620
I went to Best Buy today and got some good eyeball time on a W850a, which was sitting next to a W900a.

The Good News

To me, at default "vivid" settings (how Best Buy sets their display), the 850 and the 900's PQ looked very close. Blacks and colors looked near identical between the two sets. The 850 might be a tad softer, but I would attribute that to the extra 10" of size. Absolutely no flashlighting that I could see. Sorry, I didn't think to look at off-angle viewing.

Those wanting a 65" version of the W900a, I think the W850a might fit the bill.

However....

The Bad News (maybe?)

The model of w850a I was looking at had some distracting dimming on the left and especially the right edges. I don't know if this was uneven backlighting, but I didn't see this edge dimming on other sets around, especially the 900. Hopefully this was maybe a flawed model on the showroom floor and not a problem with all 850s. But if my TV had this flaw, I would probably return it. Which is a shame, because I was impressed with everything else.

Here's a pic I took with my iPhone showing the issue - notice the left and especially upper right edges:



Here's the w900a on the left, and the w850a on the right to compare size and black levels:



Sorry the quality of the two photos isn't better, but the set does look good in person, and the w850a compares well with the w900a with the exception of the edge flaws I noticed, which might have been only a problem with that floor model. Even so, it may not be a deal-breaker for everyone, but it would be for me.

Over the weekend I might visit another Best Buy to see if they also have the w850a on display.

EDIT: unfortunately it looks like the dimming on the edge, "vignetting" if you will, is a commonly reported issue and isn't an isolated problem with the Best Buy floor model I saw.
Edited by DaverJ - 10/21/13 at 7:15am
post #146 of 2620
Thanks so much DaverJ for the Best Buy picture comparison. I have been watching my W850A here at the house now for almost a week. I have only seen those side shadows you show only if I open the Opera Browser which I may never use. My wife and I have watched one DVD and 2 blu-ray movies and the screen is full of picture quality from edge to edge just like in a theater.

Good deal on finding the two sets next to each other for a good comparison. I have tried looking at around a 45 degree angle from the set and see no real picture loss on a normally lit scene. With deep full screen blacks with some white text, I have notice at that same angle the full blacks go to a dark gray color. This don't bother me in the least as our viewing angle is within 45 deg of the set. I sure plan to stick with sony's Triluminos display in any future set I buy. Who would ever believe they would have the deep blacks like on a plasma with this LED set. This is when viewing in a dark or dim lit room.
post #147 of 2620
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Originally Posted by WhiteSands View Post

Thanks so much DaverJ for the Best Buy picture comparison. I have been watching my W850A here at the house now for almost a week. I have only seen those side shadows you show only if I open the Opera Browser which I may never use. My wife and I have watched one DVD and 2 blu-ray movies and the screen is full of picture quality from edge to edge just like in a theater.

Good deal on finding the two sets next to each other for a good comparison. I have tried looking at around a 45 degree angle from the set and see no real picture loss on a normally lit scene. With deep full screen blacks with some white text, I have notice at that same angle the full blacks go to a dark gray color. This don't bother me in the least as our viewing angle is within 45 deg of the set. I sure plan to stick with sony's Triluminos display in any future set I buy. Who would ever believe they would have the deep blacks like on a plasma with this LED set. This is when viewing in a dark or dim lit room.

The blacks are for sure not anywhere near that of plasma, but they are good for being an LCD. Also, I advise against posting pictures like that because the picture will tell you nothing. It must be seen in person.
post #148 of 2620
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Originally Posted by *UFO* View Post

The blacks are for sure not anywhere near that of plasma, but they are good for being an LCD. Also, I advise against posting pictures like that because the picture will tell you nothing. It must be seen in person.

Agree on both counts - the first pic was only to show the floor model's dim edges, and the second was to show the 850's size and blacks in comparison to 900a. But they clearly don't illustrate picture quality via an iPhone. wink.gif

I found the black level acceptable from what I could tell from the demo running. If one is interested in the w850a, go see it in person before pulling the trigger.
post #149 of 2620
Saw a demo unit from bestbuy and the dim corner was ... quite annoying

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Just phone quality but you can get some idea.
post #150 of 2620
So on my set i do notice a tad bit of darkening on the edges (really slight - I have to really look for it and its not always noticeable) something more noticeable atm is that sweet spot is rather small, so the off angle viewing with a few feet to the right or left brightens the sides of the picture on dark scenes. When dead in center the blacks are pretty inky and everything is consistent. I've noticed this more during the evenings with the lights dim than during the day. Other thing to note on my set is that its set up pretty low on a table right now, once i wall mount it and the set is higher that may improve the off angle performance (since vertical viewing angle also brightens picture). Still no regrets, especially with the discounts its a excellent looking/performing TV.

Brightness set at 8/10
Using standard setting with a few of my own tweaks (i can post those later if anyones interested).
Didnt personally like the vivid setting (skin tones even at cool color temp didnt look natural).
Would be interested in reading some pro calibrated settings if we get a videophile purchasing this set.
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