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post #421 of 2565
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Originally Posted by jlukes View Post

What do you for everything under the advanced settings?

I didn't mention the Advanced picture settings because I left those at default and with my other settings I get a fantastic picture. Actually I prefer using the Vivid picture mode and set the backlight to 6 or 7 for the brightness level you like best depending if it's a TV show, football game or watching a blu-ray. They are some shows including blu-rays where I use the Standard picture mode setting.
post #422 of 2565
I just took a look at the Sony kdl-55w900 TV on the Amazon site first sold Jan 2013 . I see it's now up to (52) 5-star reviews in 11 1/2 months. Our Sony kdl-65w850a has (13) 5-star reviews since it was released 2 months ago. If the w850 review rate keeps up this pace it could reach over 100 reviews in the next 10 months. The slow down would be the $1995 price for the w900 vs the $2498 price for the w850 set


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post #423 of 2565
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Originally Posted by *UFO* View Post

This is not a problem inherent to LCD tv's though, this is a major defect in the panel and it seems to be wide-spread. If you are ok spending $2500 and getting a defective product then ok, but I would not put up with that.

I agree. I would not be very happy if I had the "waves" defect. That is totally unacceptable for this price range tv.
post #424 of 2565
Can more owners of this tv please comment whether or not they have "waves" on their panel?
post #425 of 2565
No waves here
post #426 of 2565
Vivid is way too over saturated. Standard is even too saturated

Did my calibration last night and got the most natural picture using geneal/custom setting

Backlight 7
Picture max
Birghtness 53
Color 53
Hue 0
Sharpness 50
Color temp warm 2
Noise reduction off
Mpeg noise reduction off
Reality creation off
Smooth gradation off
Motion flow off
Cinemotion off

Advanced settings
Everything set to off
Gamma -1
Edited by jlukes - 12/21/13 at 4:58am
post #427 of 2565
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Originally Posted by Quaxtros View Post

Can more owners of this tv please comment whether or not they have "waves" on their panel?

No waves on mine. Only thing I noticed is slight banding on certain panning scenes with certain colours. Not too noticeable otherwise.

Still need to play with the setup as not too sure about using the motionflow settings to clear. I have mine setup as WhiteSands has posted.
post #428 of 2565
Got the replacement panel yesterday... It's already going back due to the exact same problem, light bars on the sides frown.gif. Amazon is going to pull random samples and see if any other sets have the same issue and send me one that they've tested.
post #429 of 2565
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Originally Posted by mdchaser View Post

Got the replacement panel yesterday... It's already going back due to the exact same problem, light bars on the sides frown.gif. Amazon is going to pull random samples and see if any other sets have the same issue and send me one that they've tested.

both sets purchased from amazon had vertical light banding problems not just on the sides but towards the center of the screen as well (not sure if this is what you are referring to), ended up keeping the latest set - I'm realizing there is no such thing as a flawless TV at any price range.. its disappointing since i returned my Vizio M for the same problem at about half the price - no doubt the picture is nicer on the Sony but i did prefer the passive 3D on the vizio and the design looked like it was right out of a Apple factory line. Only real competition I have seen at this screen size was the samsung 8000 and that set definitely has clouding issues in addition to costing about 1k more at the 65in screen size.. so while I am not all that impressed with the Sony, it does seem like it is the best option out there (even with its flaws).
post #430 of 2565

Hi owners. What about the viewing angles? We are 5 family members. My sofa is 3,30 meters wide, and I sit 3,25 meters from the TV. Would that be a problem? I hope you can help me, with my question...Kind regards Allan Jorgensen

post #431 of 2565
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Originally Posted by Ahzari View Post

both sets purchased from amazon had vertical light banding problems not just on the sides but towards the center of the screen as well (not sure if this is what you are referring to), ended up keeping the latest set - I'm realizing there is no such thing as a flawless TV at any price range.. its disappointing since i returned my Vizio M for the same problem at about half the price - no doubt the picture is nicer on the Sony but i did prefer the passive 3D on the vizio and the design looked like it was right out of a Apple factory line. Only real competition I have seen at this screen size was the samsung 8000 and that set definitely has clouding issues in addition to costing about 1k more at the 65in screen size.. so while I am not all that impressed with the Sony, it does seem like it is the best option out there (even with its flaws).

It is disappointing that no one seems to be able to manufacture a perfect panel, it's not like this is new tech or anything! The light bars I'm seeing are so prominent that I can't get over them, it's so bad on the right side that it washes out colors even on light scenes and dark scenes are completely ruined. My problem is that there is no good replacement for this set, the samsung is more expensive like you said and will have issues of its own. I'm hoping that the third times a charm, if not I'll just save up and buy a 4k sony and see if I get better results with it.
post #432 of 2565
I've had a request for a look at the light bars so here it is. I'm not sure how well you can make them out but it is quite obvious in person:



It's bright on dark scenes and changes the colors of light scenes.
post #433 of 2565
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Originally Posted by mdchaser View Post

I've had a request for a look at the light bars so here it is. I'm not sure how well you can make them out but it is quite obvious in person:



It's bright on dark scenes and changes the colors of light scenes.

Wow,so it is dim in the centre and bright on the right and left sides of the TV.

Can't notice that at all on mine. I'll have to keep a look out for it next time on my TV.
post #434 of 2565
Well I may have made some headway. Nvidia turns on certain image enhancements that I found and shut off, here are before and after shots:





There are certain dark scenes that still show the edge lighting so I don't know that I've completely eliminated it. Running a movie split between the sony and samsung still puts the samsung ahead in image quality, the sony just looks washed out. I'm going to keep playing with the image to see if I can totally eliminate the bars. I have a feeling getting the set calibrated might fix the washed out image. I purchased the disney wow disc but can't find some of the controls in the sony to adjust (tint anyone?).
post #435 of 2565
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Originally Posted by mdchaser View Post

Well I may have made some headway. Nvidia turns on certain image enhancements that I found and shut off, here are before and after shots:

There are certain dark scenes that still show the edge lighting so I don't know that I've completely eliminated it. Running a movie split between the sony and samsung still puts the samsung ahead in image quality, the sony just looks washed out. I'm going to keep playing with the image to see if I can totally eliminate the bars. I have a feeling getting the set calibrated might fix the washed out image. I purchased the disney wow disc but can't find some of the controls in the sony to adjust (tint anyone?).

Thanks much for the easy to view pictures of your problem.

It's very rare will you need to adjust the tint a name used on the crt old days. Today it's now called the hue control. It gives a green or magenta shade to the image. I doubt it will be off at all and if so only 1 mark either side of zero.

I found on my set by moving the backlight to max or near max it got rid of the washed out look. I also found that brightness setting around 50 looked really good, I think custom was around 55.
post #436 of 2565
Mr. Sands, that did most of the trick! It's still washed out comparatively speaking but not quite as bad. I think my retina's are going to burn but I prefer it that way smile.gif. Using the wow disc I ended up with a brightness of 48. It may not be the tint that I'm thinking of (coming from memory) but the disc asked me to change two settings, one was the hue and the other was either the tint or chroma... Either way I couldn't find the setting in the sony to modify.

I should also mention the vignetting issue is now fairly prominent so I'm going to try your frozen microfiber method when I get back from Christmas.
post #437 of 2565
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Originally Posted by mdchaser View Post

Mr. Sands, that did most of the trick! It's still washed out comparatively speaking but not quite as bad. I think my retina's are going to burn but I prefer it that way smile.gif. Using the wow disc I ended up with a brightness of 48. It may not be the tint that I'm thinking of (coming from memory) but the disc asked me to change two settings, one was the hue and the other was either the tint or chroma... Either way I couldn't find the setting in the sony to modify.

I should also mention the vignetting issue is now fairly prominent so I'm going to try your frozen microfiber method when I get back from Christmas.

I don't remember finding a Chroma setting for this TV. The HUE and TINT are one in the same, one way it adds greens, the other way adds the reds. You may be tired of messing with the TV at night. You may do better working with it up in the day. Me being a old TV repairman for many years, I learned that early morning trick a long time ago.

I was very impressed using the ice fix to remove any vignetting on the sides. I did it 3 times over 2 days and now the set is over 2 months old it looks even better.
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Edited by WhiteSands - 12/21/13 at 8:07pm
post #438 of 2565
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Originally Posted by WhiteSands View Post

I don't remember finding a Chroma setting for this TV. The HUE and TINT are one in the same, one way it adds greens, the other way adds the reds. You may be tired of messing with the TV at night. You may do better working with it up in the day. Me being a old TV repairman for many years, I learned that early morning trick a long time ago.

I was very impressed using the ice fix to remove any vignetting on the sides. I did it 3 times over 2 days and now the set is over 2 months old it looks even better.
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Talk about a bad memory, it's contrast I couldn't find, it was suggested that picture is what sony calls it but adjusting it didn't change the contrast at all...
post #439 of 2565
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Originally Posted by mdchaser View Post

Talk about a bad memory, it's contrast I couldn't find, it was suggested that picture is what sony calls it but adjusting it didn't change the contrast at all...

Correct the old contrast is now called picture. I don't know why your contrast didn't make a difference. I prefer my contrast set to max on vivid, standard and custom picture modes. It's the contrast that controls the amount of dark areas in the picture. Lowering the picture adjustment to much should cause the picture to looked washed out.
post #440 of 2565

It looks like Amazon has stopped selling the w850a while they review issues that have been reported with the TV.  Below is the message they've posted on the w850a product page.

 

Item Under Review

While this item is available from other marketplace sellers on this page, it is not currently offered by Amazon.com because customers have told us there may be something wrong with our inventory of the item, the way we are shipping it, or the way it's described here. (Thanks for the tip!)

We're working to fix the problem as quickly as possible.

 

I wonder if this is due to the light bar issue that you reported?  Sounds like you may have since found what was causing the issue.

 

My personal experience with the TV has been great and I hope you're able to find a setting that's satisfactory for you.  I was fortunate in that it took very little tweaking on mine to get a great picture.

post #441 of 2565
Has that ever happened before? Ive been to hhgregg and best buy and still never seen 1 in person. But these pics in this thread are all over the place from beautiful to horrendous considering the price.
post #442 of 2565
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Originally Posted by loader963 View Post

Has that ever happened before? Ive been to hhgregg and best buy and still never seen 1 in person. But these pics in this thread are all over the place from beautiful to horrendous considering the price.

Yes, it happened with the Nintendo 3DS.

As for pics - it's very hard to take accurate pictures of a television. What you are seeing might be showing issues that are a result of the photography process, or simply might be exaggerating an issue that may or may not be as visible to the naked eye.
post #443 of 2565
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Originally Posted by JackBurton1986 View Post

It looks like Amazon has stopped selling the w850a while they review issues that have been reported with the TV.  Below is the message they've posted on the w850a product page.

Item Under Review




While this item is available from other marketplace sellers on this page, it is not currently offered by Amazon.com because customers have told us there may be something wrong with our inventory of the item, the way we are shipping it, or the way it's described here. (Thanks for the tip!)
We're working to fix the problem as quickly as possible.

I wonder if this is due to the light bar issue that you reported?  Sounds like you may have since found what was causing the issue.

My personal experience with the TV has been great and I hope you're able to find a setting that's satisfactory for you.  I was fortunate in that it took very little tweaking on mine to get a great picture.

Yep, that was me, I'm debating on whether I should call and tell them to put it back up. The settings I changed made a big difference but the bars are still there. My ps3 shows them more obviously than my pc so it's not just on one input... What do you guys think? I'm heading out of town in a little bit for a few days so I won't be able to work on the tv for a bit.
post #444 of 2565
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Originally Posted by mdchaser View Post

Yep, that was me, I'm debating on whether I should call and tell them to put it back up. The settings I changed made a big difference but the bars are still there. My ps3 shows them more obviously than my pc so it's not just on one input... What do you guys think? I'm heading out of town in a little bit for a few days so I won't be able to work on the tv for a bit.

I don't know if your TV is connected to the internet or router. If so they are 3 updates since I first received my set back in early October. You can check for the latest update by going to Home, Settings, Product Support.. The last update as of 12/21 is, PKG4: 001AAA.

Someone mentioned using the online i-Manual to view the TV with a near all white TV screen to look for any problems.
Edited by WhiteSands - 12/22/13 at 1:04pm
post #445 of 2565

mdchaser,

It's up to you but to be honest I think it may be a bit extreme to have the entire Amazon sales channel for this TV shut down when you've figured out what was causing the majority of the problem you were having with it.  I went through three 60" HDTV's from other manufacturers that had significant issues before discovering the w850a and it has more than satisfied my requirements.  It's honestly the best overall TV of its size and price point that I've found.  However, if I went to the Amazon site and saw that it was under review for potential problems I would have immediately removed it from my list of potential purchases.  That would be a shame because I would have passed up on a fantastic set.

post #446 of 2565
It looks like it is no longer under review from Amazon and is back for sale
post #447 of 2565

Good to know.  Thanks!

post #448 of 2565
anyone have compare SONY 65W850 and SAMSUNG F7100? I mostly watch for sports

I do like Samsung F7100 outlook, but $1800 difference for 75" 75F7100 and 65" 65W850 seems too much for me, or maybe after CES launch new model Samsung will drop F7100 price?
post #449 of 2565

I've seen the 65" Samsung 7100 side by side with the w850a.  I really wanted to like the 7100 more because it was $500 cheaper than the w850 but in the end I spent the extra money and got the Sony because I found it to have much better motion handling capability, richer colors, deeper black levels, and an overall more natural brightness level and picture quality than the Samsung.  The 7100 picture also had a faint white mist that reminded me of viewing an LCD screen at extreme viewing angles.  A week after buying my w850a I walked into Costco and their Samsung 7100 floor model had a line of burned out pixels about 1/8" in height that ran continuously from one side of the TV to the other.  Of course, the store demo TV's are probably run 12 hours a day 7 days a week so they're certainly subject to more abuse than your typical family room set but it did make me feel more comfortable with my decision to buy the Sony over the Samsung given all of the reports I've seen of pixel burn out in Samsung TV's.

 

Regarding 75" screens, my personal opinion is that big of a screen is starting to push the limits of 1080 resolution and if you want a set that big you may be better off waiting for the cost of 4K sets to come down but that's just me.


Edited by JackBurton1986 - 12/22/13 at 7:15pm
post #450 of 2565
Was at bestbuy today and noticed that the w850a and w900a were gone. I asked the sales associate about it and he said that they sold off the store displays. They even removed all the signs and mounting hardware for it. I also noticed a few other sets were missing. Are they really already preparing for the new models? confused.gif
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