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post #1171 of 2790
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Originally Posted by scanido View Post

I just got a 15" Late 2013 Macbook Pro Retina with dedicated Nvidia 750m GPU and was curious to finally see 4K content via YouTube on my VPL-VW500ES. I connected the laptop via HDMI and for some reason the only 4K output resolutions available are:

  • 3840-by-2160 resolution at 24Hz
  • 3840-by-2160 resolution at 25Hz

The MacBook appears to only have a HDMI 1.4 port as it can support up to 3840-by-2160 resolution at 30Hz, but any idea why can't i choose this option?? As I understand it the VPL-VW500ES/VW600ES should be able to support all these refresh rates, even up to 60Hz as it has HDMI 2.0.

The question you should rather ask yourself and check out, what is the framerate of the YouTube 4K videos?
If it is 24fps, then you wouldn't want your laptop to up-convert it to the uneven number of 30Hz, but stay with the original 24fps output.
Preferably then your projector should display it as a "double flash" of 24fps at a refresh-rate of 48Hz, if the projector is able to do that, which it should automatically.

The nVidia GPUs get frequent updates, even if most of it is game related, it is smart to keep up with the updates. The 700 series latest driver number is 331.82, I believe. http://www.geforce.com/drivers

And for people with older nVidia GPU's, all the way down to the 400 series GPUs, which originally had only 2K output, with new Drivers are now 4K capable, even of you might have to set the resolution manually in some instances.
post #1172 of 2790
Does somebody try to use other brand of RF 3D glasses that should work with VW500ES ? I have try JVC PK-AG3 and the Panasonic TY-ER3D4 ! The JVC is working just fine , but unfortunately i just broke it accidentally ! (for GOD SAKE , it is A VERY EXPENSIVE GLASSES ) ! And i purchased a Panasonic TY-ER3D4 due to it only 27g weight , but it is lost the sync every 2 seconds ! By compare all 3 including the original Sony TDG-BT500A , the JVC and Panasonic look out perform the Sony one , but the Panasonic not work probably , so i may need to buy another JVC ! But the cost of JVC is really too high ! Anyone try to fix the sync with Panasonic one ? If the Panasonic one can work properly , then it is much less weight than JVC and Sony and less cost a lot than JVC , and also have the clarity as sharp as JVC ! The Sony get a fog effect that i don't know why when i see through the glasses , but the fog effect that is absent on both JVC and Panasonic's glasses ! Any suggestion or any other better choice that can work with VW500ES ?
post #1173 of 2790
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Originally Posted by Seegs108 View Post

There are websites that will do that for you. The one bad thing is you lose your warranty if you ship it outside of the purchased country.

Where can i find more info about these websites?

So, basically if i import the projector from Japan and it turns out the unit is defective, i can' t send it back for a return or get it fixed?
post #1174 of 2790
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Originally Posted by AV Science Sales 5 View Post

If you reduce the size of the image so that it is slightly smaller than your screen, are all four sides of the image parallel with the screen frame? If not, then your projector is not set up properly and that will cause focus issues.

Done that and I don't think it is the setup. I've also rotated the pj and besides moving the picture nothing really changes.

It is obvious that the focus issue gets worse the farther on the left it is, on the right side it is pretty good.
This is an out of focus picture from the right side (on purpose as this shows it better)



The same from the left. Quiet obvious isn't it.



This is right focused:



and left focused. Taking picture really makes it look worse then on the actual screen. Still it is bad:



That is another one from left. There is also a panel shift, also not that bad as seen here, but visible. I've seen those also on vertical lines in movies, but only then.
Usually It isn't visible, at least to me, but of course it does have to kill resolution.

The panel is good in the center, untouched after having it run for a long time, but shifted on the left (much more) and on the right side.
I basically would need to adjust every single part to fix that.

Would you concur something is wrong with that box?

post #1175 of 2790
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Originally Posted by tangcoma View Post

Does somebody try to use other brand of RF 3D glasses that should work with VW500ES ? I have try JVC PK-AG3 and the Panasonic TY-ER3D4 ! The JVC is working just fine , but unfortunately i just broke it accidentally ! (for GOD SAKE , it is A VERY EXPENSIVE GLASSES ) ! And i purchased a Panasonic TY-ER3D4 due to it only 27g weight , but it is lost the sync every 2 seconds ! By compare all 3 including the original Sony TDG-BT500A , the JVC and Panasonic look out perform the Sony one , but the Panasonic not work probably , so i may need to buy another JVC ! But the cost of JVC is really too high ! Anyone try to fix the sync with Panasonic one ? If the Panasonic one can work properly , then it is much less weight than JVC and Sony and less cost a lot than JVC , and also have the clarity as sharp as JVC ! The Sony get a fog effect that i don't know why when i see through the glasses , but the fog effect that is absent on both JVC and Panasonic's glasses ! Any suggestion or any other better choice that can work with VW500ES ?

The XPAND X105-RF-X1 work fine, have three of them. Rechargeable also
post #1176 of 2790
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Originally Posted by d.j. View Post

What HDMI input did you use on the 500 ? ( I think that only HDMI 2 is 2.0 and HDMI 1 is 1.4 but I could be wrong smile.gif )


dj

I tried it on Input 1 however this input should at least support 3840x2160 @ 30Hz even if it was only HDMI 1.4.

I would think both ports should be the same at least. I don't see why only one would be one standard and the other a different one. In any case, I'll see if i get any different results with the second input I'll report back if anything new found.

In the mean time, anyone else have an idea?
post #1177 of 2790
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Originally Posted by Roland Janus View Post

The XPAND X105-RF-X1 work fine, have three of them. Rechargeable also
Look from the shape and the design and the weight , the JVC one should be the same as the Xpand 105-RF-X1(some kind of OEM) ! So that why they are compatible ! Maybe I have to buy another JVC as well , Jesus that is really expensive one ! Would u mind to tell me how much of the Xpand one ? Thx !
post #1178 of 2790
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Originally Posted by scanido View Post

I just got a 15" Late 2013 Macbook Pro Retina with dedicated Nvidia 750m GPU and was curious to finally see 4K content via YouTube on my VPL-VW500ES. I connected the laptop via HDMI and for some reason the only 4K output resolutions available are:

  • 3840-by-2160 resolution at 24Hz
  • 3840-by-2160 resolution at 25Hz

The MacBook appears to only have a HDMI 1.4 port as it can support up to 3840-by-2160 resolution at 30Hz, but any idea why can't i choose this option?? As I understand it the VPL-VW500ES/VW600ES should be able to support all these refresh rates, even up to 60Hz as it has HDMI 2.0.

The new 2013 Macbook Pro Retinas are only HDMI 1.4

I bought the new 2013 MacBook Pro Retina 15". I have the top end 15" with all maxed out options. It works at the full 4k resolution at 24hz. But when I first connect it to the projector I only got the 3840x2160 resolution. But when I switch from 1080p to 3840x2160, I can then go back and see the full 4096x2160 at 24hz.

FYI i had a 2012 Macbook Pro Retina that was maxed out, and the only reason I replaced it was because it didn't output 4k from the HDMI. After I ordered and opened the new 2013, I found out you can use an active DP to HDMI adapter and get 4k x 24hz with the 2013 15" model with the discrete graphics card. Also make sure you aren't using a very long cable.

Link to Active adapter: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00DOZHL82/ref=oh_details_o06_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Also the new 2013 Macbook Pro Retina has display port 1.2 which can handle 4k @ 60hz. Testing has determined the the Mac OSX software does not yet handle this, but by using bootcamp with Windows 8 and a 4K monitor that supports DP Multistream technology, you can get 4K @ 60hz out of the new Macbook Pro Retina. Hopefully the OSX software will be updated to handle this transport protocol, since the laptop is clearly capable of it.

Now the question will be if we will see an active adapter that will convert the DP Multi-stream into an HDMI 2.0 signal, and use the accepted 4.2.0 color.

Now I can't wait to do more testing and comparing. I am going to be comparing the Sony 600 to the JVC 4810. Also will compare the DPI LED and DPI Highlite. Might even compare the Sony 600 to my 4K Barco DCI Projector.


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Edited by ccool96 - 12/30/13 at 10:54pm
post #1179 of 2790
Cool96.... honest opinion, how do you like the 600ES compared to your other projectors?
post #1180 of 2790
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Originally Posted by SOWK View Post

Cool96.... honest opinion, how do you like the 600ES compared to your other projectors?

I haven't even had time to start comparing. I carried the Sony 600 all over the country with me at Christmas just so I could play with it some, it looks pretty awesome, especially with the 4K server. I just got back home from vacations, so now ill start testing today.

I really want to compare the Sony 600 4K server material, to some of the DCI 4K material, now that I have a DCI Integrated Media Server in my Barco Projector. DCI 4K content is incredible. Even DCI 2K content is hard to beat.


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post #1181 of 2790
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Originally Posted by tangcoma View Post

Look from the shape and the design and the weight , the JVC one should be the same as the Xpand 105-RF-X1(some kind of OEM) ! So that why they are compatible ! Maybe I have to buy another JVC as well , Jesus that is really expensive one ! Would u mind to tell me how much of the Xpand one ? Thx !

cheaper and got them here smile.gif

http://www.amazon.com/XPAND-X105-RF-X1-Rechargeable-Bluetooth-Glasses/dp/B00BFO4XSA/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1388427129&sr=8-2&keywords=xpand+x105
post #1182 of 2790
ccool96 - That is pretty cool, but why on earth do you need a 135" 2nd monitor for your MacBook? lol wink.gif
post #1183 of 2790
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Originally Posted by gdfein View Post

ccool96 - That is pretty cool, but why on earth do you need a 135" 2nd monitor for your MacBook? lol wink.gif

Why not is the question !!


Craig
post #1184 of 2790
Happy New Year Craig.
post #1185 of 2790
Does anyone know if the 500/600 be able to fill my scope screen that is 96" in width in my 12'11" long room? The projector can be placed as far back as need. My JVC RS55 is able to do about just by an inch or so.

Thanks,
Tom
post #1186 of 2790
The minimum throw would be 1.38 times your screen width or in your case 11.04 0 ft . The projector depth is about 1.52 inches. Total 12.56 ft. You have about 12.92 ft available. A little over 4 inches to spare. With careful placement it should just work.
Edited by mark haflich - 12/31/13 at 3:23pm
post #1187 of 2790
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Originally Posted by mark haflich View Post

The minimum throw would be 1.27 times your screen width or in your case 10 ft call it 2 inches and a smidge. Add an inch or two for safety. The projector depth is less than 19 inches. I didn't look it up. So you have plenty to spare.;

That's the min throw ratio of the 1000, Mark; i thought the 500/600's was not that small, more like 1.4. ? If so, this will make it close.
post #1188 of 2790
You are right Bill. I edited the post. It should work with a few inches to spare.
post #1189 of 2790
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Originally Posted by mark haflich View Post

Happy New Year Craig.

Happy New Year to you Mark !!
post #1190 of 2790
Big is better for 2014

It appears from feedback this week that some VW600 Buyers are using screens as large as 180" diagonal and telling us the picture is superb.

This is such great news knowing that for not that much money you can buy a 4K projector and fire it up on a 150-180" screen and get amazing results.

A few years ago think was unthinkable..

If people can post their big screen sizes and what types I think that would be great for forum members.

People are afraid of going big and you dont have to be with Sony and the 600ES

Happy New Year
Craig
post #1191 of 2790
Are these customers watching 3D on a low gain 150" - 180" and OK with it?

The 600 drops a substantial amount of light output when in 3D mode (same as the 1000). it's OK dead center on my 142" 2.8HP but would not be bright enough for my preferences if this was a similar sized, low gain screen.
post #1192 of 2790
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Originally Posted by zombie10k View Post

Are these customers watching 3D on a low gain 150" - 180" and OK with it?

The 600 drops a substantial amount of light output when in 3D mode (same as the 1000). it's OK dead center on my 142" 2.8HP but would not be bright enough for my preferences if this was a similar sized, low gain screen.

Agreed. With my 133" hp screen, it is bright enough. A 180 inch screen is not going to be any good for 3d without huge gain (more than the hp IMO)
post #1193 of 2790
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Originally Posted by zombie10k View Post

Are these customers watching 3D on a low gain 150" - 180" and OK with it?

The 600 drops a substantial amount of light output when in 3D mode (same as the 1000). it's OK dead center on my 142" 2.8HP but would not be bright enough for my preferences if this was a similar sized, low gain screen.

Zomb

I have to ask him, I didn't do the 180 setup, he self installed so I am asking him.

It would be nice if we could do a 180" 1.3 gain but you are saying for 3d its not possible ?
post #1194 of 2790
It's possible but only if you like dim 3D. Once you've seen what the extra brightness can do for 3D it's hard to justify having a screen that large if you plan on watching 3D.

3D seems to prefer modesty even though it looks best on non-modest sized screens.
post #1195 of 2790
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Originally Posted by zombie10k View Post

Are these customers watching 3D on a low gain 150" - 180" and OK with it?

The 600 drops a substantial amount of light output when in 3D mode (same as the 1000). it's OK dead center on my 142" 2.8HP but would not be bright enough for my preferences if this was a similar sized, low gain screen.

Who the hell watches 3D??? Hehe tongue.gif

I guess if I did on my setup, first thing I could do is shrink the image down to 133" diagonal to help a little. Normally I keep it zoomed out to an 172" 16:9 image. Aka the size I need to fill my 150" wide 2.35:1. But I would still be using 133" at .98 gain then. If I really, really like it then maybe in the future order a 133" drop down HP to go in front of my current screen.
post #1196 of 2790
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Originally Posted by Seegs108 View Post

It's possible but only if you like dim 3D. Once you've seen what the extra brightness can do for 3D it's hard to justify having a screen that large if you plan on watching 3D.

3D seems to prefer modesty even though it looks best on non-modest sized screens.

The comments below are from a review of the VW1000E by Tom Norton; however, given Zombie's comments about the 500/600 losing a lot of brightness in 3D mode they are probably applicable to the 500/600. If you have no interest in 3D then who cares. My only comment would be that 3D done right in the home (bright, ghost-free on a large screen) is quite impressive. Dull, ghost-laden 3D is not.

Here are the quotes:

"The visible results confirmed these measurements; 3D was not very rewarding with this setup. After five or ten minutes, I was ready to return to the VPL-VW1000’s gloriously bright, vivid 2D. But while 2D and 4K are the Sony’s calling card, most buyers are likely to expect a satisfying 3D image at this price."

and,

"The Screen Difference

One option here would be to reduce the size of the image when watching 3D, an approach made easy by using the projector’s lens-memory feature. But reducing the image to 80 inches wide only increased the measured output to 3.5 ft-L, and I doubt if many viewers would be willing to go smaller than that, or even that small, on so expensive a projector.

The obvious solution is a higher-gain screen. And by a fortunate coincidence, we had a couple of these on hand that were being tested for their compatibility with 3D projection (see “Screen Play,” page 40). I tried the Sony on the higher gain of the two: a Da-Lite High Power with a specified gain of 2.4—almost twice that of the StudioTek. The smaller size of the Da-Lite (92 inches wide versus the 118-inch-wide StudioTek) offered a further advantage.

While we didn’t magically see a brilliant 15-16 ft-L from the VPL-VW1000 in 3D, things nevertheless began to cook. The peak brightness measurement increased to 6 ft-L, easily brighter than you’ll see on any theatrical 3D screen short of a twin-projector IMAX or equivalent presentation. I also determined that if our Da-Lite High Power with its 2.4 gain was equivalent in size to a 118-inch screen, the brightness would be about 4.5 ft-L on the larger screen. I obtained this reading by positioning the Da-Lite screen immediately in front of the StudioTek, with the projector still set up to fill the latter and none of its settings changed. I then measured the center-screen brightness from the Da-Lite. In other words, the reading was the same as it would have been if the Da-Lite were a full 118 inches wide."


With the 118 inch Studio Tek Tom Norton obtained about 2 ft-L. -- he wasn't very happy! With the HP (2.4) gain he rated the Sony's 3D and gave it a 4/5. With the Studio Tek he scored the 3D at 2 1/2 out of 5.

Here's the review:

http://www.soundandvision.com/content/sony-vpl-vw1000es-4k-sxrd-3d-projector-take-2
Edited by Deja Vu - 1/1/14 at 5:46am
post #1197 of 2790
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Originally Posted by VGI View Post

Big is better for 2014

It appears from feedback this week that some VW600 Buyers are using screens as large as 180" diagonal and telling us the picture is superb.

This is such great news knowing that for not that much money you can buy a 4K projector and fire it up on a 150-180" screen and get amazing results.

A few years ago think was unthinkable..

If people can post their big screen sizes and what types I think that would be great for forum members.

People are afraid of going big and you dont have to be with Sony and the 600ES

Happy New Year
Craig

A lot of projectors will light up a pretty good sized screen. The question comes down to lamp life. Some people are fine with 500 hours out of a lamp, but most are not. So this needs to be discussed with the customer, when deciding on screen size. You would be surprised at the number of people that think the image from their large screen looks great, but they are running the projector on high lamp mode and the lamp is new. After putting a few hundred hours on the lamp, they then become unhappy with the image and have to get a new lamp. This is because the projector/screen combination was not a good match. 3D throws another kink into the equation.
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post #1198 of 2790
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Originally Posted by AV Science Sales 5 View Post

A lot of projectors will light up a pretty good sized screen. The question comes down to lamp life. Some people are fine with 500 hours out of a lamp, but most are not. So this needs to be discussed with the customer, when deciding on screen size. You would be surprised at the number of people that think the image from their large screen looks great, but they are running the projector on high lamp mode and the lamp is new. After putting a few hundred hours on the lamp, they then become unhappy with the image and have to get a new lamp. This is because the projector/screen combination was not a good match. 3D throws another kink into the equation.

And once again I wonder why people are so concerned about the cost of a lamp just after forking out a huge amount of money for a projector and HT system. It's like buying a full sized heavy duty truck and then lamenting about the fuel burn and cost of fuel to put in the beast , I just don't get it. If my lamp is getting noticeably weak at
500hrs a new one will go in immediately.
I wish I had room for a 180" screen to be honest, but then again my 120" diagonal is plenty for my viewing distance and the picture plenty bright for 2D. I wouldn't go any bigger for 3D with this screen at 1.37 gain and to be honest a HP 2.4 would make 3D better, I could porbably manage a 133" diagonal screen.

HAPPY NEWYEAR to ALL !!!! May your lamps burn 2500 ANSI throughout the new year.............and beyond wink.gif
post #1199 of 2790
The recent discussion has got me curious about the whole bulb life / cost equation. So if this is obvious to y'all that have owned projectors before, then I apologize. So I was doing some looking and it appears that the bulb for the VW600ES is the LMP-H260. Sony Parts and Accessories doesn't yet list this item.

They did carry (albeit not in stock) the spare lamp for the vw1000ES. The LMP-H330. Interestingly the Sony price for the lamp is $699.99. I know that the 100ES was a $25k item, but I guess I was a little surprised at the list price for the bulb. I checked out a few of the lamp supplies listed at Projector Central and none of them carry a listing for this bulb, or for the 600ES for that matter. So I suppose it might be too early for last years PJ's to need a new bulb and I believe I recall hearing that the 1000ES came with a spare bulb.

With my 600ES on order and my guesstimate that it will see on average 2hrs of use per day per year for 700-800hrs per year, I guess I was thinking I might be needing to change the bulb once a year. So if the bulb ends up running $700 per, this becomes a not insignificant annual maintenance cost.

I suppose these are "1st world problems" and must sound like I am the guy complaining about how much it costs to replace the tires on his Ferrari.

I just wanted to share my observation.
post #1200 of 2790
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This is because the projector/screen combination was not a good match.

Enter the newbie.

I'm building a new room, and what I find frustrating is trying to discern what is a good match. The manufacturers' websites/tools all give ranges of acceptance, but not suggested optimal solutions (unless I'm not finding the correct information). When I query them directly by email or phone with my room parameters, I always get directed to their literature. The AV shops I've dealt with aren't much better. My question of "which projector would work best in my room" are usually met with "any projector we sell" answers. When I go to ProjectorCentral and use their calculator, it gives me an idea, but when I bring those results to the "A/V specialists" or the manufacturer, they poopoo the results ("you have to take those things with a grain of salt").

Is there a definitive answer to "which projector / screen combination would work best in my media room"? Perhaps I'm just asking the wrong people, or should I take a CEDIA course and learn for myself? As a newbie, I"m trying to learn as fast as I can but there seems to be a plethora of misinformation and contradiction out there. The audio end of things is a piece of cake compared to the video.
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