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Any warranty issues if you purchase a projector online or e-bay if it is new unopened box?
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Originally Posted by zeedog View Post

Any warranty issues if you purchase a projector online or e-bay if it is new unopened box?

I believe it has to be an authorized online dealer for the warranty to be valid. Could be mistaken though.
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I have just played with my new VW500ES and the Media player...

I got it to work, but i get a nice blue screen when i try to playback a movie.

 

So maybe i need to get a new firmware or hardware fix ?

 

Anybody who has some news ?

 

Thanks

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Originally Posted by Emply View Post

I have just played with my new VW500ES and the Media player...
I got it to work, but i get a nice blue screen when i try to playback a movie.

So maybe i need to get a new firmware or hardware fix ?

Anybody who has some news ?

Thanks


Make sure you are going into HDMI 2 on the projector. Make sure you HDMI cable is capable of carrying UHD at 24. There are no relevant firmware fixes or upgrades. You mioght try deleting the app from the tablet and starting over. Make sure you go out of HDMI one on the server.
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RE THE MARKINGS ON THE ZOOM SCREEN.


The outer markings are at 1.89. Going horizontally inward toward the center, the next vertical line is 1.85, the next 1.78, and quite a bit in 1.33. For about 1.89 you use the horizontal lines. The inner one is 2.35. Go to the 1000ES manual, access it through sony e support, on page 20 or so you wil find the screen and its markings. If setting up a 1.78 screen, overscan slightly using the vertical 1.78 markers.
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I've had a VW 500 and Lumagen Radiance 2041 for about a month now. I thought of sharing some experience with the two.

Initially, I couldn't get the Radiance to send an upscaled signal to the Sony. Lumagen advised me that the culprit was likely my ancient 50-foot HDMI cable. After doing some careful measurements, I figured that I could use a 40-foot cable so I purchased a Monoprice Slim Redmere 40-foot cable. It didn't work. What worked was a Monoprice Ultraslim Redmere cable. In fact, Monoprice had advised my dealer that an Ultraslim can pass 4k better than a Slim. What was also strange was that the Ultraslim 40-foot cable was the exact same size as the Slim but their product ID's were different. The label is a misnomer because the Ultraslim is not more slim than the Slim, at least for the 40-foot version.

I've been trying to see the difference between upscaling at the Radiance vs the Sony and it is not easy unless you pause the movie and switch the upscaling. While I admittedly haven't done that much experimenting, in Skyfall, I could not see any ringing with either the Sony or Radiance upscaling. What I could see is more smoothness in fine detail with the Radiance, e.g., facial features on a medium or long shot. I will try to see if I can capture this in some pictures. I wonder if anyone else has experimented with the Radiance 2041 and what are their findings?

In any case, it is a bit disappointing that when the Radiance upscales, the only Motion Flow option is Pulse, which dims the picture quite a bit. Also, the Smooth Gradation option disappears.
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Originally Posted by zeedog View Post

Any warranty issues if you purchase a projector online or e-bay if it is new unopened box?

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Originally Posted by BigCoolJesus View Post

I believe it has to be an authorized online dealer for the warranty to be valid. Could be mistaken though.

You would be correct.
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post #1508 of 2821
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Originally Posted by streetsmart88 View Post

I've had a VW 500 and Lumagen Radiance 2041 for about a month now. I thought of sharing some experience with the two.

Initially, I couldn't get the Radiance to send an upscaled signal to the Sony. Lumagen advised me that the culprit was likely my ancient 50-foot HDMI cable. After doing some careful measurements, I figured that I could use a 40-foot cable so I purchased a Monoprice Slim Redmere 40-foot cable. It didn't work. What worked was a Monoprice Ultraslim Redmere cable. In fact, Monoprice had advised my dealer that an Ultraslim can pass 4k better than a Slim. What was also strange was that the Ultraslim 40-foot cable was the exact same size as the Slim but their product ID's were different. The label is a misnomer because the Ultraslim is not more slim than the Slim, at least for the 40-foot version.

I've been trying to see the difference between upscaling at the Radiance vs the Sony and it is not easy unless you pause the movie and switch the upscaling. While I admittedly haven't done that much experimenting, in Skyfall, I could not see any ringing with either the Sony or Radiance upscaling. What I could see is more smoothness in fine detail with the Radiance, e.g., facial features on a medium or long shot. I will try to see if I can capture this in some pictures. I wonder if anyone else has experimented with the Radiance 2041 and what are their findings?

In any case, it is a bit disappointing that when the Radiance upscales, the only Motion Flow option is Pulse, which dims the picture quite a bit. Also, the Smooth Gradation option disappears.

Try an HDMI extender such as Lumagen sells. HDMI to HDMI. It solved my ancient 50 footer issues.

now the problem is not the Lumagen upscaling. It is what is available in the Sony when you feed it any UHD signal. The Lumagen can only output UHD or 4K up to 30, not 60. So you can't use it to upscale 1080p 60 or 720p 60 to UHD or 4K 60. It will give you only 30 and the picture motion wise will look like crap. For 1080p 24 or 30 Bluray all will be fine as you will be upscaling only to 24 or 30. Call me if you need help.
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Try an HDMI extender such as Lumagen sells. HDMI to HDMI. It solved my ancient 50 footer issues.

now the problem is not the Lumagen upscaling. It is what is available in the Sony when you feed it any UHD signal. The Lumagen can only output UHD or 4K up to 30, not 60. So you can't use it to upscale 1080p 60 or 720p 60 to UHD or 4K 60. It will give you only 30 and the picture motion wise will look like crap. For 1080p 24 or 30 Bluray all will be fine as you will be upscaling only to 24 or 30. Call me if you need help.

I solved my HDMI cable issue with a Monoprice Ultraslim Redmere cable. I've been using it for a week now and it has worked perfectly.

Yes, I realize that the Lumagen can upscale only to 24 or 30 Hz, but I honestly haven't noticed serious motion issues yet that were not there even without the Lumagen. I have watched a couple of Bluray concerts with the Lumagen and I'm pretty sure they were in 1080p60 and I thought there was no serious issue with motion, even with the Rolling Stones and Mick Jagger jumping all around the stage. Nonetheless, let me try to observe some more.

I'd be interested, though, in your observations on picture quality with and without the Lumagen.
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Originally Posted by mark haflich View Post

RE THE MARKINGS ON THE ZOOM SCREEN.


The outer markings are at 1.89. Going horizontally inward toward the center, the next vertical line is 1.85, the next 1.78, and quite a bit in 1.33. For about 1.89 you use the horizontal lines. The inner one is 2.35. Go to the 1000ES manual, access it through sony e support, on page 20 or so you wil find the screen and its markings. If setting up a 1.78 screen, overscan slightly using the vertical 1.78 markers.



So, using the image above, the lines being pointed to (third vertical line inward on each side) should be outside of the screen material and slightly visible on the black velvet border material for a 16:9 screen?

As always, much obliged mark!
Edited by BigCoolJesus - 1/20/14 at 4:14pm
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I am just triple checking for verification because on my HW30ES, there was only two vertical lines (which the manual doesn't specify as to what picture ratios they correspond to) so I always used it with the outer most vertical line zoomed out onto the black velvet border material and the second vertical line just on the edge of the screen material. So the 600ES test pattern is new to me. Want to make sure I do it right smile.gif
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Originally Posted by BigCoolJesus View Post



So, using the image above, the lines being pointed to (third vertical line inward on each side) should be outside of the screen material and slightly visible on the black velvet border material for a 16:9 screen?

As always, much obliged mark!

Here is a picture from the owners manual;
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Originally Posted by AV Science Sales 5 View Post

Here is a picture from the owners manual;

Oh....it seems the arrows in my post above are pointing at the 1.85 markings......

.....these should be the correct lines for 1.78 (16:9) I take it?
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Originally Posted by BigCoolJesus View Post



So, using the image above, the lines being pointed to (third vertical line inward on each side) should be outside of the screen material and slightly visible on the black velvet border material for a 16:9 screen?

As always, much obliged mark!

No. I am counting the double pair of outermost lines as one line. You are pointing to the 1.85 markers. One over more toward the center are the 1.78 markers. There pictorial you posted identifies the markers. I don't know why there is a double line at the edge. you can clearly see on the pictorial your arrows are pointing to the 1.85 markers. smile.gif

Your next post has it right.

Mike. Do you have any idea why the outer markers are double lines?


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Edited by mark haflich - 1/20/14 at 4:56pm
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Originally Posted by streetsmart88 View Post

I solved my HDMI cable issue with a Monoprice Ultraslim Redmere cable. I've been using it for a week now and it has worked perfectly.

Yes, I realize that the Lumagen can upscale only to 24 or 30 Hz, but I honestly haven't noticed serious motion issues yet that were not there even without the Lumagen. I have watched a couple of Bluray concerts with the Lumagen and I'm pretty sure they were in 1080p60 and I thought there was no serious issue with motion, even with the Rolling Stones and Mick Jagger jumping all around the stage. Nonetheless, let me try to observe some more.

I'd be interested, though, in your observations on picture quality with and without the Lumagen.

The concert was probably 1080p 30, not 60. Put it on and hit the info screen on the Lumagen. It will tell you exactly what is the input resolution.

Trust me, if you are inputting 720p 60, 1080i 60, or 1080p 60, it will not be good motion wise if the Lumagen outputs it at UHD or 4K 30. Thrang will verify if you like. The Lumagen does do ring free scaling and I much prefer the Lumagen upscaling to UHD 24 or 30 from 24 or 30 sources. But otherwise, I let the Lumagen upscale lower resolutions at 60, to only 1080p 60 and letting the Sony take over from there.
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Originally Posted by mark haflich View Post

No. I am counting the double pair of outermost lines as one line. You are pointing to the 1.85 markers. One over more toward the center are the 1.78 markers. There pictorial you posted identifies the markers. I don't know why there is a double line at the edge. you can clearly see on the pictorial your arrows are pointing to the 1.85 markers. smile.gif

Your next post has it right.

Mike. Do you have any idea why the outer markers are double lines?


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Ahhh....confusion corrected. Thanks.

Now, the next question: I know some movies are 1.85 and others are 1.78. Going from my best guess, I would say my HW30ES was setup for 1.85 because on 1.78 movies there would be small black bars on either side of the picture. Obviously it is a tale of two evils: I either set the pattern for 1.85 and have the small black bars on 1.78 material, or set the pattern for 1.78 and have picture overflow when watching 1.85 movies.

What "evil" would you choose?
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Originally Posted by BigCoolJesus View Post

Ahhh....confusion corrected. Thanks.

Now, the next question: I know some movies are 1.85 and others are 1.78. Going from my best guess, I would say my HW30ES was setup for 1.85 because on 1.78 movies there would be small black bars on either side of the picture. Obviously it is a tale of two evils: I either set the pattern for 1.85 and have the small black bars on 1.78 material, or set the pattern for 1.78 and have picture overflow when watching 1.85 movies.

What "evil" would you choose?

No. The chip on your old one was 1.78. Your 600 has 1.89 chips. If your aspect ratio is higher than 1.78 on the old one, it would fill the entire width horizontally using the only markers (1.78) and you would have very small horizontal black bars top and bottom. If there were 1,85 markers, they would be horizontal lines at the bottom of the top black bar and the top of the bottom bar. The reason the 1.89 pattern has vertical 1.85 markers, just as there are 1.33 markers, is that those aspects are smaller than 1.89..
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Originally Posted by mark haflich View Post


The concert was probably 1080p 30, not 60. Put it on and hit the info screen on the Lumagen. It will tell you exactly what is the input resolution.

Trust me, if you are inputting 720p 60, 1080i 60, or 1080p 60, it will not be good motion wise if the Lumagen outputs it at UHD or 4K 30. Thrang will verify if you like. The Lumagen does do ring free scaling and I much prefer the Lumagen upscaling to UHD 24 or 30 from 24 or 30 sources. But otherwise, I let the Lumagen upscale lower resolutions at 60, to only 1080p 60 and letting the Sony take over from there.

Yes, you must be right ... but let me check later anyhow. Thanks for your advice.
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Originally Posted by mark haflich View Post

No. The chip on your old one was 1.78. Your 600 has 1.89 chips. If your aspect ratio is higher than 1.78 on the old one, it would fill the entire width horizontally using the only markers (1.78) and you would have very small horizontal black bars top and bottom. If there were 1,85 markers, they would be horizontal lines at the bottom of the top black bar and the top of the bottom bar. The reason the 1.89 pattern has vertical 1.85 markers, just as there are 1.33 markers, is that those aspects are smaller than 1.89..

You are right. I meant my HW30ES had small black bars horizontally on the top and bottom of the picture when watching 1.78 material.

So back to my question....should I set the pattern for 1.85 ratio therefore having the small horizontal bars on 1.78 material, or set the pattern to 1.78 therefore stretching the picture past the borders on 1.85 material?
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It depends on whether you want to lose the portion of the picture info between 1.78 and 1.85 in favor of a slightly bigger vertical image.. I think I would rather not and suffer tiny horizontal black bars.
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Originally Posted by mark haflich View Post

It depends on whether you want to lose the portion of the picture info between 1.78 and 1.85 in favor of a slightly bigger vertical image.. I think I would rather not and suffer tiny horizontal black bars.

Gotcha. Makes sense. Which means I should use the 1.85 lines (the ones I originally pointed to, the lines right after the double lines)?

Thanks!
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Originally Posted by mark haflich View Post

No. I am counting the double pair of outermost lines as one line. You are pointing to the 1.85 markers. One over more toward the center are the 1.78 markers. There pictorial you posted identifies the markers. I don't know why there is a double line at the edge. you can clearly see on the pictorial your arrows are pointing to the 1.85 markers. smile.gif

Your next post has it right.

Mike. Do you have any idea why the outer markers are double lines?


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No I don't.
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Originally Posted by mark haflich View Post


The concert was probably 1080p 30, not 60. Put it on and hit the info screen on the Lumagen. It will tell you exactly what is the input resolution.

Trust me, if you are inputting 720p 60, 1080i 60, or 1080p 60, it will not be good motion wise if the Lumagen outputs it at UHD or 4K 30. Thrang will verify if you like. The Lumagen does do ring free scaling and I much prefer the Lumagen upscaling to UHD 24 or 30 from 24 or 30 sources. But otherwise, I let the Lumagen upscale lower resolutions at 60, to only 1080p 60 and letting the Sony take over from there.

A related question -- If you will alternate between upscaling at the Lumagen and at the Sony, will you do two calibrations? One calibration with patterns upscaled at the Lumagen and another with patterns upscaled at the Sony?
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Originally Posted by BigCoolJesus View Post

Gotcha. Makes sense. Which means I should use the 1.85 lines (the ones I originally pointed to, the lines right after the double lines)?

Thanks!

If you want to see the whole image, use the 1.78 markers not the 1.85 if you have a 1.78 screen. This assumes you are going to use the normal aspect setting on the Sony.
Edited by mark haflich - 1/20/14 at 10:19pm
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Originally Posted by streetsmart88 View Post

A related question -- If you will alternate between upscaling at the Lumagen and at the Sony, will you do two calibrations? One calibration with patterns upscaled at the Lumagen and another with patterns upscaled at the Sony?
I

I upscale 480i, 720p, and 1080i using the Lumagen to 1080p 60. Then the Sony upscales it to UHD 24 or 30. I upscale 1080p 24 and 30, to UHD 24 or 30 using the Lumagen and the Sony does no upscaling. I use the same calibration for both..
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what HDMI cables are everyone using? i have a 30ft Monoprice Redmere. will this do the full 4K @ 60hz?
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Ok now time for some of my initial impressions. I'm done with stage. Took me 5 hours to put it together and another 2 hours to cover with carpet. That made the seating now 12" higher and now I"m sitting at eye level just a bit higer than center of screen. This itself made a huge difference.

Now here comes the funny part. When I asked my wife about projector, all she pointed out was that it was brighter. I hadn't taken care of anything at that time. But this stage change she absolutely loved it. For the first time she said that it feels like she in the theater. Amazing how increasing the height and bring viewing angle to the center of screen makes a big difference.

Now the projector. Simply put. It's a sick sick sick machine. Absolutely loving it. This thing makes me smile. I have seen Lords Of The Ring many times and very familiar of how it looked on vw95ES. It's a very big difference to me. Now it could be because its much brighter but there are many more things I noticed.

First my current settings.
Mode: Cinema Film 1, Lamp: low, Iris: Dynamic, Contrast:100, Sharpness:10, Creality Creation:50 with Noise:20, Gamma:2.4, ColorSpace: 709

Now the changes I see:
1 - Picture looks very natural.
2 - Much more detail in image.
3 - Scenes with actions are much more smooth to look at.
4 - There is no noise in picture
5 - Absolutely loving black levels

I had iris at limited but then I changed it to Full and that brought much better black level and I like it. I know many here like it in Limited mode but I am thoroughly enjoying the Full Dynamics because of the black level it brings.

Those who are deciding if they should get it or if it is going to make a big difference or its not worth buying because there are no 4K contents, I would say that based on my experience, its worth it. Absolutely worth it. I wouldn't even sweat about 4K contents since the reality creation does an amazing job. I watched just a little bit of 4K content before I changed the settings and therefore can't compare the two yet but the image I am looking at is simply sick.

It just keeps making me say wow over and over again since I can easily see the difference in between this and 95ES. Now if I knew this difference before I bought would I go buy it. I'd say NO. I'd run and buy it smile.gif
Edited by SherazNJ - 1/20/14 at 9:49pm
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Originally Posted by mark haflich View Post


I upscale 480i, 720p, and 1080i using the Lumagen to 1080p 60. Then the Sony upscales it to UHD 24 or 30. I upscale 1080p 24 and 30, to UHD 24 or 30 using the Lumagen and the Sony does no upscaling. I use the same calibration for both..

If you don't mind, when you do your calibration, do you use the Lumagen or Sony to upscale? Or it doesn't matter?
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I calibrated with my old 1080p Lumagen.
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Originally Posted by mark haflich View Post

If you want to see the whole image, use the 1.78 markers not the 1.85 if you have a 1.78 screen.

.....but didn't you say you'd use the 1.85 lines at the expense of having the small black bars during 1.78 material so that no picture is lost when viewing source material between 1.78 and 1.85?
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