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post #1561 of 2807
D.J and M.G.

Class is in session.


The Sony zoom screen uses the full 1.89 width of the Sony chips.

The vertical lines are the edge markers for resolutions of 1.89 and smaller. You can not have an vertical edge marker of a higher ratio than 1.89. Why? The chip is limited by its width ratio, 1.89 times its height. Thus we see vertical edge markers of 1.85, 1.78. and 1.33 labeled on the diagram. The outer most (double line pair) edge markers are not labeled. But since the chips are is 1.89, the outer most vertical marker is at 1.89. The inner double line must be something less. Maybe 1.88 or a little less. I believe those two markers should represent over zoom, with the inner of the two being set at vertical screen edge if one is using a 1.89 screen. If one sets the aspect on the Sony to normal which is 1.78, the machine will light only the 1.78 width of the chip. The outer markers and the 1,85 markers are useless in this scenario. They are only useful if you select a higher aspect on the Sony. Two are available, 1.85 and 2.35. These will light the entire chip using 2.35 and almost all of the chip using 1.85.

The top and bottom horizontal markers represent the chip edge which is always lit with active picture for source aspects of 1.78 and below when the Sony aspect is set at 1.78. When the Sony aspect is set at 1.85 or 2.35, the top and bottom edge markers will represent 1.85 or 1.89. In all such instances, the outer of the two lines I think represent set up over zoom with the inner of the two representing screen edge. The only other horizontal edge markers represent 2.35. Source aspects above 1.89 have black bars, top and bottom. Using the Sony aspect for 2.35, the 2.35 edge markers are for that. Using the normal 1.78 aspect on the Sony, the 2.35 edge markers to be vaid each would have to occupy 12.5% of the vertical height. They combined are less than 25% vertical on that on the pattern but look correct for the 1.89 chip width available by setting the Sony aspect at 2.35. They would occupy about 10% each of the vertical height.

Please digest and correct the Professor as necessary.
Edited by mark haflich - 1/22/14 at 6:57am
post #1562 of 2807
Quote:
Originally Posted by mark haflich View Post

D.J and M.G.

Class is in session.


The Sony zoom screen uses the full 1.89 width of the Sony chips.

The vertical lines are the edge markers for resolutions of 1.89 and smaller. You can not have an vertical edge marker of a higher ratio than 1.89. Why. The chip is limited by its width ratio, 1.89 times its height. Thus we see vertical edge markers of 1.85, 1.78. and 1.33 labeled on the diagram. The outermost line pair edge markers are not labeled. But since the chip is 1.89, the outermost vertical marker is at 1.89. The inner double line must be something less. Maybe 1.88 or a little less. I believe those two markers should represent over zoom, with the inner of the two being set at vertical screen edge if one is using a 1.89 screen. If one sets the aspect on the Sony, the machine will light only the 1.78 width of the chip. The outer markers and the 1,85 markers are useless in this scenario. They are only useful if you select a higher aspect on the Sony. Two are available, 1.85 and 2.35. these will light the entire chip (using 2.350 and almost all of the chip using 1.85.

The top and bottom horizontal markers represent the chip edge which is always lit with active picture for source aspects of .1.78 and below when Sony aspect is set at 1.78. When the Sony aspect is set at 1.85 or 2.35, the top and bottom edge markers will represent 1.85 or 1.89. In all such instances, the outer of the two lines I think represent set up over zoom with the inner of the two representing screen edge. The only other horizontal edge markers represent 2.35. Aspects above 1.89 have black bars, top and bottom. Using the Sony aspect for 2.35, I think the 2.35 edge markers are for that. Using the normal 1.78 aspect on the Sony, the 2.35 edge markers to be vaid would occupy 12.5% of the vertical height. They are less than that on the pattern but look correct for the 1,89 chip width available by setting the Sony aspect at 2.35.

Please digest and correct the Professor as necessary.

This line right here might finally sum up the confusion I was having.

I set the zoom pattern using the vertical 1.78 markers. When playing a 1.78 movie (Avatar and Tron Legacy during IMAX scenes) the ENTIRE screen is filled top to bottom, left to right. Using the same zoom pattern setting, when watching 1.85 movies (A Good Day To Die Hard, 9) the screen is filled entirely from left to right but the top and bottom of the image have tiny black bars going horizontally across. Aspect is left on "Normal" for both 1.85 and 1.78 movies.

I would think I am good to go finally biggrin.gif
post #1563 of 2807
Now, for my impressions:

AMAZING........MY WALLET HAS NEVER GIVEN SUCH SATISFACTION biggrin.gif

First, MOTORIZED LENS CONTROL! Never had such luxury before. I was actually able to put my nose up to the screen to do focus adjustment. Not only that, but the image position doesn't alter at all! Using manual controls on my old 30ES was tedious and imprecise. No fine tuning at all to get absolute perfect image position. Not with this beast! I literally dialed in the zoom pattern to be 100% symmetrical all around the screen.

On to picture. IT JUST KEEPS GETTING BETTER. Clarity. Life Like. Clear. FLUID. True Cinema gives such an amazingly smooth picture. Scenes that caused major judder on my 30ES play smooth as butter. Detail, faces, shadows......everything is so much better.

I am usually really good at giving even a somewhat amateur review of new products I get.....but I am literally speechless and awestruck to the point of not having coherent sentences to express my happiness. First time in a long time I just want to log off the forums and watch movies non-stop....this projector is going to make me selfish. Screw everyone else, I want to spend my time alone in my HT Room!
post #1564 of 2807
Quote:
Originally Posted by BigCoolJesus View Post

Now, for my impressions:

AMAZING........MY WALLET HAS NEVER GIVEN SUCH SATISFACTION biggrin.gif

First, MOTORIZED LENS CONTROL! Never had such luxury before. I was actually able to put my nose up to the screen to do focus adjustment. Not only that, but the image position doesn't alter at all! Using manual controls on my old 30ES was tedious and imprecise. No fine tuning at all to get absolute perfect image position. Not with this beast! I literally dialed in the zoom pattern to be 100% symmetrical all around the screen.

On to picture. IT JUST KEEPS GETTING BETTER. Clarity. Life Like. Clear. FLUID. True Cinema gives such an amazingly smooth picture. Scenes that caused major judder on my 30ES play smooth as butter. Detail, faces, shadows......everything is so much better.

I am usually really good at giving even a somewhat amateur review of new products I get.....but I am literally speechless and awestruck to the point of not having coherent sentences to express my happiness. First time in a long time I just want to log off the forums and watch movies non-stop....this projector is going to make me selfish. Screw everyone else, I want to spend my time alone in my HT Room!

Same here. I was watching new King Kong and many scenes made me say Wowwww. That's what I said in my review "sick sick sick". I didn't know what else I could say smile.gif. Make sure to share your settings (both 2D and 3D). Tomorrow I'm planning to watch Lords of the ring part 2 smile.gif. I feel like watching all the movies again. I"m definitely going to watch Oblivion again on this projector since I have heard so much about this movie quality. I enjoyed it in 95es but on this it will be a totally different experience.
Today I watched "How to train your dragon" in 3D. It was smooth and couldn't see any ghosting. I only wish I had brighter screen (HP 2.4 though). This 3D is relatively darker as compared to other 3D and made me wanna have screen with higher gain. Some scenes looked too dark. Yes I can always reduce screen size from 145 to 100 but I don't wanna do that smile.gif.
post #1565 of 2807
Quote:
Originally Posted by BigCoolJesus View Post

Now, for my impressions:

AMAZING........MY WALLET HAS NEVER GIVEN SUCH SATISFACTION biggrin.gif

First, MOTORIZED LENS CONTROL! Never had such luxury before. I was actually able to put my nose up to the screen to do focus adjustment. Not only that, but the image position doesn't alter at all! Using manual controls on my old 30ES was tedious and imprecise. No fine tuning at all to get absolute perfect image position. Not with this beast! I literally dialed in the zoom pattern to be 100% symmetrical all around the screen.

On to picture. IT JUST KEEPS GETTING BETTER. Clarity. Life Like. Clear. FLUID. True Cinema gives such an amazingly smooth picture. Scenes that caused major judder on my 30ES play smooth as butter. Detail, faces, shadows......everything is so much better.

I am usually really good at giving even a somewhat amateur review of new products I get.....but I am literally speechless and awestruck to the point of not having coherent sentences to express my happiness. First time in a long time I just want to log off the forums and watch movies non-stop....this projector is going to make me selfish. Screw everyone else, I want to spend my time alone in my HT Room!

This is exactly how I felt and I am now in the theater every night watching a movie . The little missus was cool with the original purchase of the beast, the screens, the seating and redesign of the entire room BUT the daily trip to the store for a load of
new movies is , well , causing some issues now . biggrin.gif

Watched Titanic in 3D the other night and it was spectacular. All of the remastered movies to be honest are a joy to watch now, the detail and color so much better than I ever remember . I'm seeing more in these movies than I have ever seen, probably more
than I should. wink.gif
post #1566 of 2807
Quote:
Originally Posted by BigCoolJesus View Post

Now, for my impressions:

AMAZING........MY WALLET HAS NEVER GIVEN SUCH SATISFACTION biggrin.gif

First, MOTORIZED LENS CONTROL! Never had such luxury before. I was actually able to put my nose up to the screen to do focus adjustment. Not only that, but the image position doesn't alter at all! Using manual controls on my old 30ES was tedious and imprecise. No fine tuning at all to get absolute perfect image position. Not with this beast! I literally dialed in the zoom pattern to be 100% symmetrical all around the screen.

On to picture. IT JUST KEEPS GETTING BETTER. Clarity. Life Like. Clear. FLUID. True Cinema gives such an amazingly smooth picture. Scenes that caused major judder on my 30ES play smooth as butter. Detail, faces, shadows......everything is so much better.

I am usually really good at giving even a somewhat amateur review of new products I get.....but I am literally speechless and awestruck to the point of not having coherent sentences to express my happiness. First time in a long time I just want to log off the forums and watch movies non-stop....this projector is going to make me selfish. Screw everyone else, I want to spend my time alone in my HT Room!

How does it handle HDTV and sports?
post #1567 of 2807
Quote:
Originally Posted by roxiedog13 View Post

This is exactly how I felt and I am now in the theater every night watching a movie . The little missus was cool with the original purchase of the beast, the screens, the seating and redesign of the entire room BUT the daily trip to the store for a load of
new movies is , well , causing some issues now . biggrin.gif

Watched Titanic in 3D the other night and it was spectacular. All of the remastered movies to be honest are a joy to watch now, the detail and color so much better than I ever remember . I'm seeing more in these movies than I have ever seen, probably more
than I should. wink.gif

I'm actually to excited give 3D another try now that I have an image bright enough for my screen size.
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Originally Posted by ultra 150 pilot View Post

How does it handle HDTV and sports?

The first channel that came on when I was setting up the projector was ESPN.....and right out of the box, with no tweaking, I instantly noticed a difference. Much sharper/detailed image, GREAT motion resolution. Impressive to say the least.
post #1568 of 2807
Quote:
Originally Posted by BigCoolJesus View Post

I'm actually to excited give 3D another try now that I have an image bright enough for my screen size.
The first channel that came on when I was setting up the projector was ESPN.....and right out of the box, with no tweaking, I instantly noticed a difference. Much sharper/detailed image, GREAT motion resolution. Impressive to say the least.

Sweet, enjoy!
post #1569 of 2807
Something that really shows the sharpness of reality creation...

put in Star Wars Episode IV (the first one). Find the first scene with Vader talking to Leia in the alliance ship. Pause during a scene with Vaders mask. Now toggle on and off reality creation. When on, YOU CAN SEE THE PAINT BRUSH STREAKS ON HIS MASK! Not really visible with reality creation off, but when on, no lie, it is easily visible. Upscaling is pretty darn great on this thing.
post #1570 of 2807
Quote:
Originally Posted by mark haflich View Post

D.J and M.G.

Class is in session.


The Sony zoom screen uses the full 1.89 width of the Sony chips.

The vertical lines are the edge markers for resolutions of 1.89 and smaller. You can not have an vertical edge marker of a higher ratio than 1.89. Why? The chip is limited by its width ratio, 1.89 times its height. Thus we see vertical edge markers of 1.85, 1.78. and 1.33 labeled on the diagram. The outer most (double line pair) edge markers are not labeled. But since the chips are is 1.89, the outer most vertical marker is at 1.89. The inner double line must be something less. Maybe 1.88 or a little less. I believe those two markers should represent over zoom, with the inner of the two being set at vertical screen edge if one is using a 1.89 screen. If one sets the aspect on the Sony to normal which is 1.78, the machine will light only the 1.78 width of the chip. The outer markers and the 1,85 markers are useless in this scenario. They are only useful if you select a higher aspect on the Sony. Two are available, 1.85 and 2.35. These will light the entire chip using 2.35 and almost all of the chip using 1.85.

The top and bottom horizontal markers represent the chip edge which is always lit with active picture for source aspects of 1.78 and below when the Sony aspect is set at 1.78. When the Sony aspect is set at 1.85 or 2.35, the top and bottom edge markers will represent 1.85 or 1.89. In all such instances, the outer of the two lines I think represent set up over zoom with the inner of the two representing screen edge. The only other horizontal edge markers represent 2.35. Source aspects above 1.89 have black bars, top and bottom. Using the Sony aspect for 2.35, the 2.35 edge markers are for that. Using the normal 1.78 aspect on the Sony, the 2.35 edge markers to be vaid each would have to occupy 12.5% of the vertical height. They combined are less than 25% vertical on that on the pattern but look correct for the 1.89 chip width available by setting the Sony aspect at 2.35. They would occupy about 10% each of the vertical height.

Please digest and correct the Professor as necessary.

I have edited this as above to make everything a little clearer. It took quite a bit of thought to understand this all.
post #1571 of 2807
Quote:
Originally Posted by ultra 150 pilot View Post

Quote:
Originally Posted by BigCoolJesus View Post

Now, for my impressions:

AMAZING........MY WALLET HAS NEVER GIVEN SUCH SATISFACTION biggrin.gif

First, MOTORIZED LENS CONTROL! Never had such luxury before. I was actually able to put my nose up to the screen to do focus adjustment. Not only that, but the image position doesn't alter at all! Using manual controls on my old 30ES was tedious and imprecise. No fine tuning at all to get absolute perfect image position. Not with this beast! I literally dialed in the zoom pattern to be 100% symmetrical all around the screen.

On to picture. IT JUST KEEPS GETTING BETTER. Clarity. Life Like. Clear. FLUID. True Cinema gives such an amazingly smooth picture. Scenes that caused major judder on my 30ES play smooth as butter. Detail, faces, shadows......everything is so much better.

I am usually really good at giving even a somewhat amateur review of new products I get.....but I am literally speechless and awestruck to the point of not having coherent sentences to express my happiness. First time in a long time I just want to log off the forums and watch movies non-stop....this projector is going to make me selfish. Screw everyone else, I want to spend my time alone in my HT Room!

How does it handle HDTV and sports?
Sports on the 600 is fantastic. With all of the events that have been on recently I have personally found very little time for any other viewing. I find the PRESET TV setting perfect for most events. I simply dial down motion to low and enjoy. This PJ has been a very sound investment. Have all my buddies clamoring for the Superbowl despite NE Patriots coming up a bit short.
post #1572 of 2807
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Originally Posted by mark haflich View Post

I have edited this as above to make everything a little clearer. It took quite a bit of thought to understand this all.
Quote:
If one sets the aspect on the Sony to normal which is 1.78, the machine will light only the 1.78 width of the chip. The outer markers and the 1,85 markers are useless in this scenario. They are only useful if you select a higher aspect on the Sony. Two are available, 1.85 and 2.35. These will light the entire chip using 2.35 and almost all of the chip using 1.85.

Definitely clearer to follow. Using my setup as an example, I have the aspect set to Normal (which, as you said, equates to 1.78) so, even though the test pattern shows the 1.85 and 1.89 markers being well of the screen, since I zoomed the pattern using the 1.78 vertical markers, when watching movies in 1.78 OR 1.85, the image fills the same amount of screen horizontally up to the 1.78 vertical markers exactly (the image doesn't go off the screen and onto the frame border no matter if it's 1.78 or 1.85). The only downside is that on 1.85 movies, there are tiny black bars visible along the top and bottom of the image (each bar is about 1.5" wide).

If I were to use the 1.85 Zoom or 2.35 Zoom aspect settings the Sony has, then of course it would be different. I am just glad everything works out and I don't need to worry about position memories depending on the source material. This all would have been so much easier if I had known that Normal aspect setting on the Sony meant 1.78. Thanks for posting a really clear and informative explanation mark.

My only question: in terms of "quality", is there anything wrong with using the Normal aspect setting (1.78)? As you said, this aspect setting doesn't light up the entire chip....does that mean I am not getting the full 4k pixel count or some other undesirable effect?

Thanks!
Edited by BigCoolJesus - 1/22/14 at 7:23am
post #1573 of 2807
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Originally Posted by mariob33 View Post

Have all my buddies clamoring for the Superbowl despite NE Patriots coming up a bit short.

Their young roster and injuries showed big Sunday. Should be a good learning experience for the young guys going into next season. Can't say I am disappointed....they made it very far despite what was against them. Good season!

I am actually glad I can watch the Super Bowl unobjectively and possibly enjoy it in a relaxed fashion for once. lol
post #1574 of 2807
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Originally Posted by BigCoolJesus View Post


Definitely clearer to follow. Using my setup as an example, I have the aspect set to Normal (which, as you said, equates to 1.78) so, even though the test pattern shows the 1.85 and 1.89 markers being well of the screen, since I zoomed the pattern using the 1.78 vertical markers, when watching movies in 1.78 OR 1.85, the image fills the same amount of screen horizontally up to the 1.78 vertical markers exactly (the image doesn't go off the screen and onto the frame border no matter if it's 1.78 or 1.85). The only downside is that on 1.85 movies, there are tiny black bars visible along the top and bottom of the image (each bar is about 1.5" wide).

If I were to use the 1.85 Zoom or 2.35 Zoom aspect settings the Sony has, then of course it would be different. I am just glad everything works out and I don't need to worry about position memories depending on the source material. This all would have been so much easier if I had known that Normal aspect setting on the Sony meant 1.78. Thanks for posting a really clear and informative explanation mark.

My only question: in terms of "quality", is there anything wrong with using the Normal aspect setting (1.78)? As you said, this aspect setting doesn't light up the entire chip....does that mean I am not getting the full 4k pixel count or some other undesirable effect?

Thanks!

With the 1.78 normal aspect settings, all the chip pixels do not all get used. The 2.35 aspect setting lights the entire chip. 4096 x 2160. With source aspects above 1.89, the entire chip would be lit but the lighting would include horizontal projected black bars. With the 1.78 aspect setting which is the aspect for UHD, 7% horizontal of the 4096 is not used. What is used is 3840 x 2160. The 7%.not used is not lit, no projected side bars. Consumer 4K is UHD 3840 x 2160. Assuming 4K consumer sources are 3840 x 2160. 1,78 would not involve weird scaling to scaling horizontally from 3840 to 4096 although this can be done. You give up a tad of the light because you don't get to use 7% of the pixels. But you don't lose any of the source resolution of 3840 x 2160. Stop worrying or deciding what to use. just use the normal aspect to set your zoom using the 1.78 side markers. Done. Finished.
post #1575 of 2807
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Originally Posted by mark haflich View Post

Stop worrying or deciding what to use. just use the normal aspect to set your zoom using the 1.78 side markers. Done. Finished.

Best advice yet. smile.gif

Thanks.

Now....the REAL question: what movie do I watch tonight once I am off work? I literally spend half of my free time trying to pick a movie.....too many choices!
post #1576 of 2807
With the recent discussion surrounding screen resolution, is anyone here using a CIA (constant image area) screen? I will be acquiring a projector soon when my media room is completed, and am toying with the idea of going with a 2:1 screen with vertical and horizontal masking. I believe this strategy will give me both the maximum vertical and horizontal screen size for all resolutions.

Any quick thoughts on that strategy? CIA (as opposed to CIH or CIW) doesn't seem to be discussed very often.

Update : To keep this post in line with the thread topic, I'm 90% sure I'm getting the VPL-VW600ES.
Edited by dsteak - 1/22/14 at 10:12am
post #1577 of 2807
Do you want test material to watch, or do you want to watch a movie and not what the projector does for each group of frames? I would watch a movie rather then a test material one and pick one you want to watch better than you have ever seen it beforer, either in a home or commercial theater. Its your choice. No one else's..
Edited by mark haflich - 1/22/14 at 10:16am
post #1578 of 2807
This sounds like a very nice machine. I am in the throes of upgrading my display from an older DLP projector. I have been working with Craig, who has been very helpful. My HT has some limitations, specifically that my screen width is limited to 88". I don't see a need to have my PJ resolution exceed the limits of visual acuity, but am wondering about buying this machine instead of the DPI M Vision Cine 1000 LED. One of the advantages of the DPI, besides price, is the LED light source, which means I will have no reservations about using it as a daily driver. It seems that coupled with an OPPO 103, which will upscale DVDs and accept input from a wireless cable box, the 1000 will provide a satisfying picture without getting crazy. OTOH, in a review of the Sony which compared it against a Runco LS-5, the reviewer said the Sony was clearly superior. So, the philosophical question is, is good enough really good enough, or will spending twice the money provide "meaningful" overkill given my screen size? I'm sure that any current PJ will be a vast improvement, ie, the JVCs, Sony 55, Epson, etc. Not being able to see these things in person makes these decisions difficult, so I thought I'd ask here. Am awaiting reviews on the 1000, but not holding my breath. Any input is appreciated.
post #1579 of 2807
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Originally Posted by mark haflich View Post

Do you want test material to watch, or do you want to watch a movie and not what the projector does for each group of frames? I would watch a movie rather then a test material one and pick one you want to watch better than you have ever seen it beforer, either in a home or commercial theater. Its your choice. No one else's..

Oh, I definitely want one to WATCH. Mind you, I am also dealing with a brand new experience with an AT screen and JBL Pro Cinema speakers. I want the best onslaught of movie experience possible (sound and video combined).

Like I said, I am VERY indecisive. Best I ever do is narrow it down to 5- great movies and then ask a random friend to pick 1-6.
As of now I am thinking between TRON Legacy, Battle LA, SkyFall, Transformers, Star Trek, or *insert personal recommendation here*

Still have a few hours to mull it over. lol
post #1580 of 2807
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Originally Posted by dsteak View Post

With the recent discussion surrounding screen resolution, is anyone here using a CIA (constant image area) screen? I will be acquiring a projector soon when my media room is completed, and am toying with the idea of going with a 2:1 screen with vertical and horizontal masking. I believe this strategy will give me both the maximum vertical and horizontal screen size for all resolutions.

Any quick thoughts on that strategy? CIA (as opposed to CIH or CIW) doesn't seem to be discussed very often.

Update : To keep this post in line with the thread topic, I'm 90% sure I'm getting the VPL-VW600ES.

Yes, I do: have a 144x72 screen, that is set to 136x72 (17x9) for HDTV, and 144x61 for 2.35.
post #1581 of 2807
I am looking for some advice on purchasing a projector. Currently I have pre ordered the JVC DLA-X700 I am thinking of canceling this order and order the Sony vw600ES. I am upgrading from the LG CF181D I currently am using a Dune HD Max as a media player to the projector. I am getting concerned that the Sony and HDMI 2.0 may not work with the current media player. I am running my current HDMI connections through a Pioneer Elite I don't remember the model number but it purchased it around 2010. I if get the Sony am I looking to need to upgrade everything just to play movies? With 4k movies few and far between I really am just looking at the Sony to upconvert the 1080 Signal.

Thanks in advance for your input.
post #1582 of 2807
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Originally Posted by dsteak View Post

With the recent discussion surrounding screen resolution, is anyone here using a CIA (constant image area) screen? I will be acquiring a projector soon when my media room is completed, and am toying with the idea of going with a 2:1 screen with vertical and horizontal masking. I believe this strategy will give me both the maximum vertical and horizontal screen size for all resolutions.

Any quick thoughts on that strategy? CIA (as opposed to CIH or CIW) doesn't seem to be discussed very often.

Update : To keep this post in line with the thread topic, I'm 90% sure I'm getting the VPL-VW600ES.

That is a fantastic way to go if you can. I would have loved to have been able to do that, but could not afford this screen: http://www.stewartfilmscreen.com/residential/products/variable_masking_dedicated_fixed/directors_choice/directors_choice_residential.html

I need an AT screen, so that eliminates a masking system like Carada. frown.gif
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post #1583 of 2807
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That is a fantastic way to go if you can. I would have loved to have been able to do that, but could not afford this screen:

Yes, wow, I can't either. tongue.gif Wish I could. Crazy that it's so much. My thought was to build my own masks and store them out of the way. It might get annoying after a while to do it manually, but I'm not sure how much I'd have to change them in reality. And they would be very inexpensive to construct.
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Yes, I do: have a 144x72 screen, that is set to 136x72 (17x9) for HDTV, and 144x61 for 2.35.

Not do be nosy, but what do you do for masking, if at all? I've been told by some that they don't use masking at all.

Thanks for the feedback.
post #1584 of 2807
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Originally Posted by whitetrash66 View Post

Something that really shows the sharpness of reality creation...

put in Star Wars Episode IV (the first one). Find the first scene with Vader talking to Leia in the alliance ship. Pause during a scene with Vaders mask. Now toggle on and off reality creation. When on, YOU CAN SEE THE PAINT BRUSH STREAKS ON HIS MASK! Not really visible with reality creation off, but when on, no lie, it is easily visible. Upscaling is pretty darn great on this thing.

I actually bought that series last weekend, will have to take a look. If you watch the remastered version of The Fifth Element I saw the same level of details, that I should NOT be able to see. The Diva in blue for example, I could see how the costume blended to her face and the irregularities of the suit itself. The stunt
double for Bruce Willis in a couple of scenes were so clear one could easily see they were not the actor. I guess we have gone a little too far to the left, or is that right ?? tongue.gif
post #1585 of 2807
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Originally Posted by dsteak View Post

Yes, wow, I can't either. tongue.gif Wish I could. Crazy that it's so much. My thought was to build my own masks and store them out of the way. It might get annoying after a while to do it manually, but I'm not sure how much I'd have to change them in reality. And they would be very inexpensive to construct.
Not do be nosy, but what do you do for masking, if at all? I've been told by some that they don't use masking at all.

Thanks for the feedback.

I do have a 'manual' system (of sorts!). For HDTV, I slip an 8" wide, 72" high masking panel inside one side of the screen frame (a Dalite DaSnap model); it is a 1.5" thick styrofoam sheet that it cover with ProtoStar (black, light-absoring material), and fits snugly inside the DaSnap frame. For 2.35, I zoom out to the full 144" width pic (of course removing the above masking panel) and lens shift the pic to line up with the bottom of the screen (zoom and lens shift are saved in memory for the two positions). This leaves a ~10" wide 'black bar' across the top of the 144x61 pic, and this I ignore. I thought about doing a masking panel for it, but with it all at the top of screen I really don't notice it. (Persons more fastidious that I might.)
Edited by millerwill - 1/22/14 at 1:39pm
post #1586 of 2807
Question related to Noise reduction in the picture: I am currently using Sharpness to 10, RC @ 50 with RC Noise Reduction @ 20. Watching LOTH, I still see small grains a few times. Its not all the time but only a very few times. Whenever the movie shows Smigle (animated creature), its absolutely perfect but sometimes when human face is in focus, I can see very small pixels (or grains).

I think it can be the movie itself or may be my screen material?

Advanced Settings has NR and MPEG NR and I set them both to low to see if that makes it go away but they are still there. Any ideas what can be done to completely get rid of the noise?
Edited by SherazNJ - 1/22/14 at 2:34pm
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Oh, I definitely want one to WATCH. Mind you, I am also dealing with a brand new experience with an AT screen and JBL Pro Cinema speakers. I want the best onslaught of movie experience possible (sound and video combined).

Like I said, I am VERY indecisive. Best I ever do is narrow it down to 5- great movies and then ask a random friend to pick 1-6.
As of now I am thinking between TRON Legacy, Battle LA, SkyFall, Transformers, Star Trek, or *insert personal recommendation here*

Still have a few hours to mull it over. lol

What AT screen are you using? Gain and Size as well?
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Thinking of purchasing this projector. However, at my projector location I have 3 cat6 shielded connections. You guys think hdbaseT will handle 4k?

Also, anyone gaming on this?
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Yes. Will handle 4K if clean, no nearby electric lines etc.
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Thinking of purchasing this projector. However, at my projector location I have 3 cat6 shielded connections. You guys think hdbaseT will handle 4k?

Also, anyone gaming on this?

you can put the 4K media server (or any other video sources) somewhere other than your projector you know?
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