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Originally Posted by letsplay99 View Post

Sony is updating the puck/server and a new one should be out by this summer. I am hoping the new one supports apps like Netflix, Amazon so there will be a lot more 4K content than just Bad Teacher !!
I don't know if the current puck will be upgradeable but I would not purchase it since a new one is around the corner.

.....that's news to me. Link?
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Originally Posted by reanimator View Post

So in other words, we still have zero confirmation of a 500es being imported into the US and working with the server?

It's implied it will work. If a 500ES owner in Germany is using the puck with a US IP Address, than a 500ES owner in the US who already has a native US IP Address will be able to use it no problem.
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Also, regarding opinions on getting the sever or not: I was one of the ones who has decided not to get it and wait on more content/future news on 4k Blu-ray (no mark, I will not put cigars up for a bet as you already have tongue.gif ). This projector puts out such an amazing image with regular 1080p material that I have a very large library to go back and re-watch in the meantime. Not to mention the 3D is off the charts in my room.

Honestly, I used to be one of the people in the back yelling "3D is a joke! Why watch a movie in anything other than reference quality (2D calibrated display)" But, after watching Avatar, Despicable Me 2, and now Pacific Rim on 3D in my room with the settings I posted earlier....I have been converted. I actually just scrambled and ordered twenty-two 3D movies from Amazon to further expand my collection.
My best friend who has been through all the different setups I have originally watched Avatar on my old 30ES when I tried 3D a year ago and was less than impressed.....he said it wasn't as good as his 50" Sony TV. Now, after watching Pacific Rim on 600ES he has no words to describe how awesome it looked, other than to say he would rather watch 3D movies in my theater room as opposed to the movie theaters for now on (this is a guy who will watch a movie 2-3 times in a movie theater during it's release, like Avengers, Thor, The Dark Knight Rises, etc). Factor in he normally never cares about "reference quality" or "colors this, gamma that".....the fact he is this blown away says A LOT. 4k to him is just a new gimmick word, at least it was until he came over today. Now he is grinning from ear to ear.

So, I can wait on the Sony puck/4k Blu-ray......I got plenty of material to hold me over for at least another year smile.gif
Gravity on 3D coming out in a month should be phenomenal.
post #1684 of 2865

Here is the link:

 

http://www.sony.com/SCA/company-news/press-releases/sony-electronics/2014/its-play-time-for-sony-at-ces-2014.shtml

 

 

Looks like it will have streaming support as well:

 

from the press release:

 

"Sony is also developing its next-generation 4K Media Player with expanded codec support (AVC, HEVC and XAVC-S) to support streaming of 4K content, as well as storage and playback of footage shot with Sony 4K Handycam® camcorders. "

 

I also spoke to the guys at the sony store and they confirmed this. I don't know if a simple software update to the current media player is going to make it streaming?? Wish I knew this and then would just buy the current one......but knowing sony who required owners of the VPL-1000 to spend an additional $2500 to get a new board to be compatible with the media player....I would not be surprised that the current player is outdated with the new one....

post #1685 of 2865
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Originally Posted by AV Science Sales 5 View Post

That is a fantastic way to go if you can. I would have loved to have been able to do that, but could not afford this screen: http://www.stewartfilmscreen.com/residential/products/variable_masking_dedicated_fixed/directors_choice/directors_choice_residential.html

I need an AT screen, so that eliminates a masking system like Carada. frown.gif

Did you look into the Dalite pro image mask with acoustically transparent masks? Its what I use over my totally different brand AT screen.
post #1686 of 2865
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Originally Posted by letsplay99 View Post

Here is the link:

http://www.sony.com/SCA/company-news/press-releases/sony-electronics/2014/its-play-time-for-sony-at-ces-2014.shtml


Looks like it will have streaming support as well:

from the press release:

"Sony is also developing its next-generation 4K Media Player with expanded codec support (AVC, HEVC and XAVC-S) to support streaming of 4K content, as well as storage and playback of footage shot with Sony 4K Handycam® camcorders. "

I also spoke to the guys at the sony store and they confirmed this. I don't know if a simple software update to the current media player is going to make it streaming?? Wish I knew this and then would just buy the current one......but knowing sony who required owners of the VPL-1000 to spend an additional $2500 to get a new board to be compatible with the media player....I would not be surprised that the current player is outdated with the new one....

Looks like my decision to wait to see how everything falls into place for 4k content is worth it.
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Appreciate all the 4k server comments. Makes me feel better. Already have some BRDs waiting for the grand opening. My little one insists Despicable Me2 be first thing we play.
post #1688 of 2865
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Originally Posted by Lee Weber View Post

Did you look into the Dalite pro image mask with acoustically transparent masks? Its what I use over my totally different brand AT screen.

I have a curved CIH screen with a masking system. I was talking 4-way masking system for an AT screen.
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post #1689 of 2865
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Originally Posted by reanimator View Post


So in other words, we still have zero confirmation of a 500es being imported into the US and working with the server?

Take that german 500es and import it to the US, what makes you think it'll stop working ? As far as I know the projector is not self aware of where it's sitting in the world (And i hope internet connectivity will never be requirement for projectors to work) ^^

The fmp x1 server in the other hand need to have internet connectivity to download content and it can run an IP location check. And if you are not in the US, then I think other guys need to use a US VPN to get a US IP address.

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Anyone using Monoprice Redmere cables with the 500/600ES? I would like to but heard there were some issues with them and the Sony HW50ES - just want to make sure.
post #1691 of 2865
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Originally Posted by TL5 View Post

Anyone using Monoprice Redmere cables with the 500/600ES? I would like to but heard there were some issues with them and the Sony HW50ES - just want to make sure.

I am using the 40' Redmere cable: http://shop.avscience.com/40-HDMI-Redmere-cable_p_570.html
Works fine with the Sony 4K server.
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post #1692 of 2865
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Originally Posted by zombie10k View Post

Was there a post I missed where someone definitely got a VW500 working in the US with the X1?


Z10K


I seen a 500ES Work with the FX1 and tablet here ( but did only see some 4K short clips for now - I dont think the FX1 was finish with the downloading of materiel - how long time do the first connection / Down loading take "normally" ? know, it depends on the speed off connection )

dj
Edited by d.j. - 1/26/14 at 8:47am
post #1693 of 2865
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Originally Posted by SherazNJ View Post

Can someone shade some light on the Advance options to reduce image noise? There is NR and MPEG NR. What's the difference in between the two and their main purpose. I believe its to reduce image noise. They come with settings of Low/Medium/High/Auto. What do we sacrifice if we set it to High?



" Picture sharpness"

dj
Edited by d.j. - 1/26/14 at 9:06am
post #1694 of 2865
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Originally Posted by d.j. View Post

Picture sharpness

dj

got it. But at the same time, I have been told to keep sharpness of picture in main menu to around 10ish. What is picture sharpness? Using Darbee in the line, I can see how it enhances the contrast. I thought picture sharpness would be to see the image very smooth. But increasing sharpness increases image noise which is the opposite. Also increasing NR will reduce the picture quality which also means that sharpness is NOT IMAGE SMOOTHNESS. So then what is picture sharpness?
post #1695 of 2865
Has anyone seen any 4K movie and check the resolution? I always get 3840 by 2160 while this projector is capable of 4096 x 2160.
post #1696 of 2865
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Originally Posted by SherazNJ View Post

got it. But at the same time, I have been told to keep sharpness of picture in main menu to around 10ish. What is picture sharpness? Using Darbee in the line, I can see how it enhances the contrast. I thought picture sharpness would be to see the image very smooth. But increasing sharpness increases image noise which is the opposite. Also increasing NR will reduce the picture quality which also means that sharpness is NOT IMAGE SMOOTHNESS. So then what is picture sharpness?

it you turn the NR etc up, the Picture gets more "smooth and soft" or look a Little more defocussed IMO ) on the other hand, you get less noise in the Picture ( the Darbee increase the intra contrast between objects AFAIK - a different thing.

but anyway, just try and set the NR / MNR to high and see if you like it or see any difference at all, and then just deside for your self smile.gif

dj
post #1697 of 2865
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Originally Posted by SherazNJ View Post

Has anyone seen any 4K movie and check the resolution? I always get 3840 by 2160 while this projector is capable of 4096 x 2160.



All your film materiel on the server is 3840x2160 ( AFAIK ) and send this to your projector

if you put the aspect mode to "normal" on the 600ES, you will see 3840x2160 ( 1:1 pixel ) on the projector with some very small Black bars at both side ( blank pixels from the 4096 panel - precis 4096-3840= 256 : 2 = 128 Black pixel on each side )

If you put the aspect mode in 2.35:1 zoom mode, the projector will scale the 3840x2160 materiel up to 4096x2160 ( use the full panel and give about 5-10% more light , but a Little "softere" Picture and no 1:1 pixel / high resolution (test) patern will look wierd / funny smile.gif )


dj
post #1698 of 2865
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Originally Posted by d.j. View Post

it you turn the NR etc up, the Picture gets more "smooth and soft" or look a Little more defocussed IMO ) on the other hand, you get less noise in the Picture ( the Darbee increase the intra contrast between objects AFAIK - a different thing.

but anyway, just try and set the NR / MNR to high and see if you like it or see any difference at all, and then just deside for your self smile.gif

dj
I did test but there is no way to get rid of all the noise in images. It all depends on the movie I'm watching. Even watching same movie can look stunning (no image noise)in some areas and some will have very noticeable noise. I took the scene with image noise and turned NR and MPEG NR to high but still didn't see noticeable difference. I could still see noise in image. I don't know how effective these options are or may be how to effectively use them.

Watching some scenes with no image noise is so amazing that I don't wanna settle for less but I think I don't have an option here.
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the Darbee increase the intra contrast between objects AFAIK - a different thing.
Are you saying that it doesn't add any noise in image??? If yes then why do a lot of people here set it to 35 only? Why not 75 or 100?
post #1699 of 2865

The current Monoprice "high speed HDMI cable with RedMere Technology" are certified as 18Gbps only up to 15 ft.  I've used them for connecting components.  Just ran Blue Jeans BJC series x 2 to the projector but more bulky than typical HDMI so I had to drill holes in the ceiling beams while Monoprice is small enough to run in a slot in the sheetrock then repair.

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More impressions on projector upscale quality: I recently watched The Dark Knight. I have seen this movie many many times because I used it for sound testing (It is good for testing low bass). I am very familiar with how this movie looked on 95ES. On 600ES, it looks like 20 times better. I can't put a number to it bit it was awesome. This projector does a lot of noise out of image. Watching on 95ES, there are scenes that shows a lot of image noise. 600ES does a hell of a job to reduce it. Also image quality is very very nice. Dark night scenes looked great.

One thing I noticed is that using Aspect of 2.35 Zoom vs Normal and zooming to fit on 2.35 screen has different results in image quality. Using Normal aspect has much better results. I noticed image noise reducing significantly.
post #1701 of 2865
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Originally Posted by jlsound View Post

The current Monoprice "high speed HDMI cable with RedMere Technology" are certified as 18Gbps only up to 15 ft.  I've used them for connecting components.  Just ran Blue Jeans BJC series x 2 to the projector but more bulky than typical HDMI so I had to drill holes in the ceiling beams while Monoprice is small enough to run in a slot in the sheetrock then repair.

I ran into issues using the Redmere cables run thru my Denon 3313......i could get audio but no video
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Hi.....I'm a bit confused with 120hz vs 240hz with this projector
My thinking is 240hz is better for fast moving content such as sports, etc correct?
If I am correct with the above, what is the optimal setting for motionflow to reach that 240hz threshold?

Here is a copy of the motionflow detailed on sony's list of specs:
Motionflow™ Technology : Yes (120 Hz with Dark Frame Insertion)

Finally.....
when watching 1080p 2D movie content, what is the optimal motionflow setting?
when watching 1080p 3D movie content, what is the optimal motionflow setting?

Thank you!!
post #1703 of 2865
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Originally Posted by SherazNJ View Post

I did test but there is no way to get rid of all the noise in images. It all depends on the movie I'm watching. Even watching same movie can look stunning (no image noise)in some areas and some will have very noticeable noise. I took the scene with image noise and turned NR and MPEG NR to high but still didn't see noticeable difference. I could still see noise in image. I don't know how effective these options are or may be how to effectively use them.


Watching some scenes with no image noise is so amazing that I don't wanna settle for less but I think I don't have an option here.
Are you saying that it doesn't add any noise in image??? If yes then why do a lot of people here set it to 35 only? Why not 75 or 100?



If the filmmateriel has "noise" ( probely film grain ? , which may be purposely in there or not smile.gif ) , then you cant ( or shouldnt) remove it, and if some "filters" can remove it, it will probely make the Picture even worse


Regarding the Darbee, no I dont know if it generate noise in the Picture ( probely if you turn it high up ) , - but like allmost everything else ( sharpness, RC, NR, MNR etc. ) if you exaggerates / turn up the settings to much, it allmost allways do more damage then good ( the better and cleaner the signal/ materiel is - the less you need all of it and is getting better Picture with turning Things off or lower the settings

- very good 4K / UHD materiel dosnt need artificial help to look good IMO smile.gif

dj
post #1704 of 2865
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Originally Posted by SherazNJ View Post

More impressions on projector upscale quality: I recently watched The Dark Knight. I have seen this movie many many times because I used it for sound testing (It is good for testing low bass). I am very familiar with how this movie looked on 95ES. On 600ES, it looks like 20 times better. I can't put a number to it bit it was awesome. This projector does a lot of noise out of image. Watching on 95ES, there are scenes that shows a lot of image noise. 600ES does a hell of a job to reduce it. Also image quality is very very nice. Dark night scenes looked great.

One thing I noticed is that using Aspect of 2.35 Zoom vs Normal and zooming to fit on 2.35 screen has different results in image quality. Using Normal aspect has much better results. I noticed image noise reducing significantly.




Again:

if you put the aspect mode to "normal" on the 600ES, you will see 3840x2160 ( 1:1 pixel ) - what ever you see off materiel aspect ratio like : 1.78:1, 1.85:1 or zoom 2.35:1 out to fit the ( scope)screen - it will look most clean and Sharp.

if you use the aspect mode "2.35 Zoom mode" you will allways see 1920x1080 or 3840x2160 upscalet to 4096x2160 ( which is not a particularly easy or numerically convenient to work with ) and thereby will it Loose a Little sharpness and precision in the very high resolution detail.

So if you want the "sharpest" and most precise clean Picture - use the "normal" aspect mode allways ( unless of cause you have some real 4K materiel = 4096x2160 - which I dont think very many has available smile.gif )


If you want every light output you can get ( like in 3D ), and can live with the Little less "Sharp" Picture ( or cant see the difference ) - then use the 2.35:1 zoom aspect mode.

IMO of cause smile.gif

dj
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Originally Posted by piratemonkey View Post

Hi.....I'm a bit confused with 120hz vs 240hz with this projector
My thinking is 240hz is better for fast moving content such as sports, etc correct?
If I am correct with the above, what is the optimal setting for motionflow to reach that 240hz threshold?

Here is a copy of the motionflow detailed on sony's list of specs:
Motionflow™ Technology : Yes (120 Hz with Dark Frame Insertion)

Finally.....
when watching 1080p 2D movie content, what is the optimal motionflow setting?
when watching 1080p 3D movie content, what is the optimal motionflow setting?

Thank you!!

Those refresh numbers don't really matter for motion resolution performance. Those numbers simply state the pulldown method being used. What really matters is the inherent native refresh rate of the panels. For instance, single chip DLP's only frame double 24p material and display it at 48hz and yet motion on DLP is still the best among digital front projectors. The reasoning behind this has to do with how fast the panel can "reset" itself to display something new. DLPs are roughly 3000 times faster at doing this than current LCD and LCoS chips.

Motionflow should be turned off for 2D content so that the proper film cadence, the "24 frame per second" look, can be achieved. For 3D that's debatable. I personally leave all motion enhancing features turned off but some like it on for 3D and sports. There is no optimal setting. It's really a matter of taste and what you like best.
post #1706 of 2865
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Originally Posted by piratemonkey View Post

Hi.....I'm a bit confused with 120hz vs 240hz with this projector
My thinking is 240hz is better for fast moving content such as sports, etc correct?
If I am correct with the above, what is the optimal setting for motionflow to reach that 240hz threshold?

Here is a copy of the motionflow detailed on sony's list of specs:
Motionflow™ Technology : Yes (120 Hz with Dark Frame Insertion)

Finally.....
when watching 1080p 2D movie content, what is the optimal motionflow setting?
when watching 1080p 3D movie content, what is the optimal motionflow setting?

Thank you!!


There is NO optimal motionflow setting, It depends on your own taste / opinion ( some dont like motionflow at all and others like it with low or high or combined or even the pulse mode )

You has to deside for your self, what you think is "best"

dj
post #1707 of 2865
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very good 4K / UHD materiel dosnt need artificial help to look good IMO
I agree 100%. When I'm watching good material 4K, I don't worry at all about any setting because the image looks so good that I don't bother.
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if you put the aspect mode to "normal" on the 600ES, you will see 3840x2160 ( 1:1 pixel ) - what ever you see off materiel aspect ratio like : 1.78:1, 1.85:1 or zoom 2.35:1 out to fit the ( scope)screen - it will look most clean and Sharp.
When I watch 4K material, Info in menu shows the resolution in pixels but when I watch Blue Ray, in info it only says 1080P/24. I'm worried about it not being up scaled because I know that everything this projector shows has to be up scaled. I believe Info in Menu shows original material resolution and not up converted resolution.
post #1708 of 2865
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Originally Posted by SherazNJ View Post

I agree 100%. When I'm watching good material 4K, I don't worry at all about any setting because the image looks so good that I don't bother.
When I watch 4K material, Info in menu shows the resolution in pixels but when I watch Blue Ray, in info it only says 1080P/24. I'm worried about it not being up scaled because I know that everything this projector shows has to be up scaled. I believe Info in Menu shows original material resolution and not up converted resolution.

That's because everything would read the same resolution then, aka 3840x2160 or 4096x2160. It's going to say what the source is as it's the only thing that would make sense for it to say.
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Originally Posted by Seegs108 View Post

Those refresh numbers don't really matter for motion resolution performance. Those numbers simply state the pulldown method being used. What really matters is the inherent native refresh rate of the panels. For instance, single chip DLP's only frame double 24p material and display it at 48hz and yet motion on DLP is still the best among digital front projectors. The reasoning behind this has to do with how fast the panel can "reset" itself to display something new. DLPs are roughly 3000 times faster at doing this than current LCD and LCoS chips.

Motionflow should be turned off for 2D content so that the proper film cadence, the "24 frame per second" look, can be achieved
. Why ? For 3D that's debatable. I personally leave all motion enhancing features turned off but some like it on for 3D and sports. There is no optimal setting. It's really a matter of taste and what you like best.




Well , Seegs108 - here, I dont agree with you smile.gif

( personally Im not that impressed with the old the "24 frame per second" look, limited by the nearly 100-year-old technique wink.gif )

I personally cant stand to look at especially pans that "picks/ jumps / moves" and definitely does not look like movements in the real world (yes, I know that this is how it - mostly - is filmed and the original "film look"), but for me, it often moves me more "out of the film", mostly over the very rare picture calculation errors which these projectore doing in their "low" setting - so of course it is a personal matter of taste, what is preferred!

( and yes I like HFR - just not the movies,who is made in it for now biggrin.gif )

If we keep on sticking to the old technics - why do we then want other Things to get "better" then in the movie theater?

Like REC2020 ( bigger colorspace then DCI )
higher color resolution ( 12-16 bit )
Higher contrast then movietheater projectors confused.gifwink.gif
higher framerates ( like 48, 60, 72 or even 120 )

IMO the goal is to get it to look so realistic as posible, so I forget it is a movie I look at - and being fooled to believe that I am in the film


dj
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Also, regarding opinions on getting the sever or not: I was one of the ones who has decided not to get it and wait on more content/future news on 4k Blu-ray (no mark, I will not put cigars up for a bet as you already have tongue.gif ). This projector puts out such an amazing image with regular 1080p material that I have a very large library to go back and re-watch in the meantime. Not to mention the 3D is off the charts in my room.

Honestly, I used to be one of the people in the back yelling "3D is a joke! Why watch a movie in anything other than reference quality (2D calibrated display)" But, after watching Avatar, Despicable Me 2, and now Pacific Rim on 3D in my room with the settings I posted earlier....I have been converted. I actually just scrambled and ordered twenty-two 3D movies from Amazon to further expand my collection.
My best friend who has been through all the different setups I have originally watched Avatar on my old 30ES when I tried 3D a year ago and was less than impressed.....he said it wasn't as good as his 50" Sony TV. Now, after watching Pacific Rim on 600ES he has no words to describe how awesome it looked, other than to say he would rather watch 3D movies in my theater room as opposed to the movie theaters for now on (this is a guy who will watch a movie 2-3 times in a movie theater during it's release, like Avengers, Thor, The Dark Knight Rises, etc). Factor in he normally never cares about "reference quality" or "colors this, gamma that".....the fact he is this blown away says A LOT. 4k to him is just a new gimmick word, at least it was until he came over today. Now he is grinning from ear to ear.

So, I can wait on the Sony puck/4k Blu-ray......I got plenty of material to hold me over for at least another year smile.gif
Gravity on 3D coming out in a month should be phenomenal.

Titanic ( remastered version ) is amazing in 3D also. The Great Gatsby, Life of Pi also noteworthy for 3D. Pacific rim was a little too action packed for me in 3D and I did not enjoy it. Going to try again with different settings and maybe from the second row.
I have to agree , 3D on this unit is a new experience compared to the last PJ and more than brightness, which certainly helps, its the level of detail. Great thing about having this level of quality in both 2D and 3D is you are unrestricted for choices. biggrin.gif
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