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post #511 of 3312
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Originally Posted by Reefdvr27 View Post

Watching Pacific Rim -10 and the the bass is going nuts. Nothing really super deep yet, but bass just hitting on every step or every door closing etc.. Awesome. Reminds me allot of Transformers DOTM. Non stop bass.

Congrats on your purchase! smile.gif

There's a lot of bass, but it's not super well done in Pacific Rim. No variety, no depth, and it gets monotonous - boom, boom, boom. If that's what you like, so be it...but I don't think that's why you bought top shelf, sealed subs for ~five grand. wink.gif (Of course, I'm being a little tongue-in-cheek wink.gif)

If you want to watch some movies that don't have 1-note, boomy, ghetto blaster bass like Pacific Rim, a few of my personal favorites for execution of bass effects in the sound mix include:

Looper

Olympus Has Fallen (Be careful with this one...make sure you're calibrated and NOT running hot before you play this @ reference - don't wanna kill those brand new subs on the Washington Monument scene! wink.gif)

Tron:Legacy

Scott Pilgrim vs. the World (Not very low, but an exceptionally well-mixed track that will still give those Triaxes a workout!)

X-Men: First Class

Star Trek (2009)

Oblivion (Reversing my opinion on this one a bit, but I think you need to run 3-5dB hot on this mix...then it gets good!)

How To Train Your Dragon

The Incredible Hulk

And, one that, come to think of it, I haven't measured but should: The Incredibles (BR version).

There are lots of others, especially the old standby War of the Worlds, but I think the ones above are, with the exception of OHF, really great movies with spectacular sound design.

I'm curious to see the drivers in the Triaxes. Are there pics of these new Fi drivers that bumped up performance (and price & weight) so much? I'm curious about their specs and construction, though I presume it's pretty close to off-the-shelf versions of the Fi Q series...
Edited by nube - 10/16/13 at 6:28pm

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post #512 of 3312
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Originally Posted by nube View Post

I'm curious to see the drivers in the Triaxes. Are there pics of these new Fi drivers that bumped up performance (and price & weight) so much? I'm curious about their specs and construction, though I presume it's pretty close to off-the-shelf versions of the Fi Q series...

See the first post in this thread, there is a link to pictures of the drivers.

I would actually be shocked if these drivers were close to off the shelf pieces. With all of the delays and such getting the drivers assembled and delivered I would think they are pretty custom.
post #513 of 3312
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Originally Posted by nube View Post

Congrats on your purchase! smile.gif

There's a lot of bass, but it's not super well done in Pacific Rim. No variety, no depth, and it gets monotonous - boom, boom, boom. If that's what you like, so be it...but I don't think that's why you bought top shelf, sealed subs for ~five grand. wink.gif (Of course, I'm being a little tongue-in-cheek wink.gif)

If you want to watch some movies that don't have 1-note, boomy, ghetto blaster bass like Pacific Rim, a few of my personal favorites for execution of bass effects in the sound mix include:

Looper

Olympus Has Fallen (Be careful with this one...make sure you're calibrated and NOT running hot before you play this @ reference - don't wanna kill those brand new subs on the Washington Monument scene! wink.gif)

Tron:Legacy

Scott Pilgrim vs. the World (Not very low, but an exceptionally well-mixed track that will still give those Triaxes a workout!)

X-Men: First Class

Star Trek (2009)

Oblivion (Reversing my opinion on this one a bit, but I think you need to run 3-5dB hot on this mix...then it gets good!)

How To Train Your Dragon

The Incredible Hulk

And, one that, come to think of it, I haven't measured but should: The Incredibles (BR version).

There are lots of others, especially the old standby War of the Worlds, but I think the ones above are, with the exception of OHF, really great movies with spectacular sound design.

I'm curious to see the drivers in the Triaxes. Are there pics of these new Fi drivers that bumped up performance (and price & weight) so much? I'm curious about their specs and construction, though I presume it's pretty close to off-the-shelf versions of the Fi Q series...
Thanks Nube. You posted all my favorite movies! I posted a pic of the driver earlier in the psa thread.
post #514 of 3312
Hell yeah Scott Pilgrim had a great bass mix!
post #515 of 3312
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Originally Posted by raynist View Post

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Originally Posted by nube View Post

I'm curious to see the drivers in the Triaxes. Are there pics of these new Fi drivers that bumped up performance (and price & weight) so much? I'm curious about their specs and construction, though I presume it's pretty close to off-the-shelf versions of the Fi Q series...

See the first post in this thread, there is a link to pictures of the drivers.

I would actually be shocked if these drivers were close to off the shelf pieces. With all of the delays and such getting the drivers assembled and delivered I would think they are pretty custom.

Well, hell. I never thought to look at the first post of this thread again. Thanks for that; they look good! smile.gifsmile.gif

I dunno - I think the lead time for FiCar drivers is pretty long, especially for new commercial accounts. It may be that these drivers are highly custom, but I'm loath to think they are just because of the lead time. If you look at the FiCar page, each of their driver series is pretty "customizable." I have little doubt that the drivers are fantastic. But, I haven't really been following this saga like many of the prospective owners, so I couldn't really say without some specs of the drivers themselves.

(Note to AVS Mods: it'd sure be nice if you guys came through on thread wikis, as promised for 5ish years now, so we wouldn't have to rely on the OP to keep the first post updated - not many do. wink.gif)

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Originally Posted by Reefdvr27 View Post

Thanks Nube. You posted all my favorite movies! I posted a pic of the driver earlier in the psa thread.

Thanks for that. smile.gif The cones & surrounds look pretty standard. Pretty much exactly like my SSD-15, which are the old version, pre-tooling changes by FiCar:



That's not to say that the drivers themselves are similar at all, or even remotely close. The soft pieces can be the same while the driver specs vary wildly. smile.gif
post #516 of 3312
The new judge dredd movie 2012 was not particularity good plot vise but the bass was just crazy loud. I recommend it just to feel some bass.
post #517 of 3312
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Originally Posted by scorpionrm View Post

The new judge dredd movie 2012 was not particularity good plot vise but the bass was just crazy loud. I recommend it just to feel some bass.

Dredd was pretty decent, but it's actually somewhat low level. You need to run your subs 3-5dB hot on this one to make it really have the impact of some of the top dogs.
post #518 of 3312
Wow, that sub is almost identical. What kind of subs are you running for home audio Nube?
post #519 of 3312
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Originally Posted by nube View Post

Well, hell. I never thought to look at the first post of this thread again. Thanks for that; they look good! smile.gifsmile.gif

I dunno - I think the lead time for FiCar drivers is pretty long, especially for new commercial accounts. It may be that these drivers are highly custom, but I'm loath to think they are just because of the lead time. If you look at the FiCar page, each of their driver series is pretty "customizable." I have little doubt that the drivers are fantastic. But, I haven't really been following this saga like many of the prospective owners, so I couldn't really say without some specs of the drivers themselves.

(Note to AVS Mods: it'd sure be nice if you guys came through on thread wikis, as promised for 5ish years now, so we wouldn't have to rely on the OP to keep the first post updated - not many do. wink.gif)
Thanks for that. smile.gif The cones & surrounds look pretty standard. Pretty much exactly like my SSD-15, which are the old version, pre-tooling changes by FiCar:



That's not to say that the drivers themselves are similar at all, or even remotely close. The soft pieces can be the same while the driver specs vary wildly. smile.gif


I thought from one of Tom's posts that the new drivers have custom motors built to their specs. Tom has a long standing relationship with the supplier and I believe this helped a little in the fast tracking of getting them so quickly. I do not believe the new drivers are an on the shelf setup.
post #520 of 3312
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Originally Posted by Reefdvr27 View Post

Wow, that sub is almost identical. What kind of subs are you running for home audio Nube?

I think it just looks the same because the cone, dustcap and surround are the same. When a manufacturer finds a working combo of parts like that, there's very little reason to change. I'm sure the drivers are fairly different beyond that.

As for my subs, last year my buddy Pete and I built a pair of dual opposed subs based around 2 each of the FiCar SSD-15. I finally got the butterfly granite cut for the tops early this year, and I think they turned out spectacularly. Here's the build thread for that:

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1428124/ssd-15-dual-opposed-vertical-sub-build

Here's what they look like:



I'm currently powering both with an EP4000 amp, and I have a MiniDSP in the chain to get them flat to ~5Hz. I could get more amp(s), as each sub will take somewhere around 2000W RMS, but I already have all I can handle...and I generally run flat (no house curve) with the subs crossed over at 80 or 100Hz and SPL-matched to the mains, or maybe +2dB hot.

As for mains, I recently finished my ported AE TD12X + SEOS towers (tuned to ~35Hz), with Pete's help. They're only powered off my Pioneer VSX-1018AH-K receiver's ~100W per channel, with room correction done by 3-position MCACC manual calibration. This is plenty of power, though they can take up to ~600W RMS each with the upgraded crossover capacitors and other components. These just need grills (will be chamfered like the baffles, to create what I hope is a cool look similar to Seaton's Catalyst speakers), which should happen before the holiday season. Here's the build thread for the speakers:

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1481313/ae-td12x-ported-mains-build

Here's what they look like:



My surrounds are also DIY, with mitered edges that turned out pretty well. I love the magnetic grills, too - they're really, REALLY easy to build and they're orders of magnitude more convenient than the push-pin type. Here's the build thread for those Jack of All Trades 8 surrounds:

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1457729/jack-of-all-trades-8-build

Here's what they look like:



I have a relatively small room that's open to the rest of the house. It's my living room + workout room + entryway in this rental, adobe-style house. It's all reflective surfaces with no treatments (can't create new holes in the drywall per my landlord), but still manages to sound pretty damn good.

I also only have one small couch as seating which, while not being great for having friends over for movies, is really convenient for my evening workouts with two doctor friends from the university hospital - it goes on its side, then just barely fits down the hallway out of the room while we P90X it up. wink.gif
post #521 of 3312
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Originally Posted by raynist View Post

I am picking up 2 of my 3 tomorrow afternoon.

Going to be a long day at work!

Are you serious? 3! Please tell me your going to measure readings on output, I would love to know how 3 end up doing on decibel damage! Wow!!
post #522 of 3312
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Originally Posted by Blackmambakila View Post

Are you serious? 3! Please tell me your going to measure readings on output, I would love to know how 3 end up doing on decibel damage! Wow!!

+9db over a single dependng on placement.
post #523 of 3312
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Originally Posted by Blackmambakila View Post

I was kinda thinking like with the Triax, if it was on a wood floor would it rumble and shake the room a lot more verse being on concrete and carpet?
I think the SPL might be higher but I am not sure.
post #524 of 3312
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Originally Posted by ellisr63 View Post

I think the SPL might be higher but I am not sure.

No that is false and there is no difference between wood floor or concrete unless the wood floor has a basement or crawl space underneath.
post #525 of 3312
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Originally Posted by basshead81 View Post

No that is false and there is no difference between wood floor or concrete unless the wood floor has a basement or crawl space underneath.
What I was saying was carpet compared to wood or concrete flooring.
post #526 of 3312
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Originally Posted by nube View Post

I think it just looks the same because the cone, dustcap and surround are the same. When a manufacturer finds a working combo of parts like that, there's very little reason to change. I'm sure the drivers are fairly different beyond that.

As for my subs, last year my buddy Pete and I built a pair of dual opposed subs based around 2 each of the FiCar SSD-15. I finally got the butterfly granite cut for the tops early this year, and I think they turned out spectacularly. Here's the build thread for that:

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1428124/ssd-15-dual-opposed-vertical-sub-build

Here's what they look like:



I'm currently powering both with an EP4000 amp, and I have a MiniDSP in the chain to get them flat to ~5Hz. I could get more amp(s), as each sub will take somewhere around 2000W RMS, but I already have all I can handle...and I generally run flat (no house curve) with the subs crossed over at 80 or 100Hz and SPL-matched to the mains, or maybe +2dB hot.

As for mains, I recently finished my ported AE TD12X + SEOS towers (tuned to ~35Hz), with Pete's help. They're only powered off my Pioneer VSX-1018AH-K receiver's ~100W per channel, with room correction done by 3-position MCACC manual calibration. This is plenty of power, though they can take up to ~600W RMS each with the upgraded crossover capacitors and other components. These just need grills (will be chamfered like the baffles, to create what I hope is a cool look similar to Seaton's Catalyst speakers), which should happen before the holiday season. Here's the build thread for the speakers:

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1481313/ae-td12x-ported-mains-build

Here's what they look like:



My surrounds are also DIY, with mitered edges that turned out pretty well. I love the magnetic grills, too - they're really, REALLY easy to build and they're orders of magnitude more convenient than the push-pin type. Here's the build thread for those Jack of All Trades 8 surrounds:

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1457729/jack-of-all-trades-8-build

Here's what they look like:



I have a relatively small room that's open to the rest of the house. It's my living room + workout room + entryway in this rental, adobe-style house. It's all reflective surfaces with no treatments (can't create new holes in the drywall per my landlord), but still manages to sound pretty damn good.

I also only have one small couch as seating which, while not being great for having friends over for movies, is really convenient for my evening workouts with two doctor friends from the university hospital - it goes on its side, then just barely fits down the hallway out of the room while we P90X it up. wink.gif

Damn Nube those SEOS towers are beautiful!! Love those.
post #527 of 3312
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Originally Posted by Blackmambakila View Post

Are you serious? 3! Please tell me your going to measure readings on output, I would love to know how 3 end up doing on decibel damage! Wow!!

+1 Please
post #528 of 3312
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Originally Posted by Blackmambakila View Post

Are you serious? 3! Please tell me your going to measure readings on output, I would love to know how 3 end up doing on decibel damage! Wow!!

I just received a Umik-1 and have been playing around with REW. I really don't know what I am doing with it though.

I will pick up two tomorrow and the 3rd in a couple weeks.

I will try to do measurements with just the two running before adding the 3rd.
post #529 of 3312
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Originally Posted by basshead81 View Post

+9db over a single dependng on placement.

No, +18db with all 3 Triaxs stacked at front corner! eek.gif Lol, I met I'd like to see actual numbers to see what his 3 measure at since it's all kinda new info.
post #530 of 3312
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Originally Posted by raynist View Post

I just received a Umik-1 and have been playing around with REW. I really don't know what I am doing with it though.

I will pick up two tomorrow and the 3rd in a couple weeks.

I will try to do measurements with just the two running before adding the 3rd.

Man that sounds good! Can't wait to hear your feedback! cool.gif
post #531 of 3312
What would happen if you guys started with just one so we got a good idea what one is like/could do? I dunno, just a thought
post #532 of 3312
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Originally Posted by Blackmambakila View Post

No, +18db with all 3 Triaxs stacked at front corner! eek.gif Lol, I met I'd like to see actual numbers to see what his 3 measure at since it's all kinda new info.


Three Triax stacked in a corner would only be +12dB over a single in the corner not +18dB.

For each additional sub its roughly +6dB.
post #533 of 3312
Basshead had it right. It is 6 dBs per doubling of drivers and power. So Two identical subs would be 6 dBs over one colocated and 4 subs would add 12 dBs colocated. 3 subs is 9 dBs colocated. My 8 subs adds 18 dBs to a single.
post #534 of 3312
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Originally Posted by MKtheater View Post

Basshead had it right. It is 6 dBs per doubling of drivers and power. So Two identical subs would be 6 dBs over one colocated and 4 subs would add 12 dBs colocated. 3 subs is 9 dBs colocated. My 8 subs adds 18 dBs to a single.

Your rite! Sorry I've just got Triax fever! Possible symptoms are erratic thought processing and a collapsed house eek.gif
post #535 of 3312
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Originally Posted by jbrown15 View Post

Three Triax stacked in a corner would only be +12dB over a single in the corner not +18dB.

For each additional sub its roughly +6dB.

I think I wrote what I wished it would be biggrin.gif
post #536 of 3312
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Originally Posted by steve nn View Post

What would happen if you guys started with just one so we got a good idea what one is like/could do? I dunno, just a thought

Ohhhhh I guess, man just one? Lol. ill be with one for a while anyways because getting a 2nd might take a bit.
post #537 of 3312
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Originally Posted by MKtheater View Post

Basshead had it right. It is 6 dBs per doubling of drivers and power. So Two identical subs would be 6 dBs over one colocated and 4 subs would add 12 dBs colocated. 3 subs is 9 dBs colocated. My 8 subs adds 18 dBs to a single.

Sorry Basshead?.....lol
post #538 of 3312
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Originally Posted by Blackmambakila View Post

I think I wrote what I wished it would be biggrin.gif

There you go wink.gif

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[/QUOTE] Ohhhhh I guess, man just one? Lol. ill be with one for a while anyways because getting a 2nd might take a bit. [/QUOTE]

Cool, the Trin could/will foul things up until you seriuosly dial it in, if you are indeed going to use it?
post #539 of 3312
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Originally Posted by steve nn View Post

There you go wink.gif

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Ohhhhh I guess, man just one? Lol. ill be with one for a while anyways because getting a 2nd might take a bit. [/QUOTE]

Cool, the Trin could/will foul things up until you seriuosly dial it in, if you are indeed going to use it?[/quote]

Once I get the Triax I'm going to really go over calibration very thoroughly and do some measuring and testing. Then I'll add the trinity and see if there's any issues with cancelations and what not. Ima also move the trinity to a few spots and if there's any benificial combination then I'll go with that, if not then the trinity will be just be an expensive end table for a lamp and I'll get a 2nd Triax eek.gif
post #540 of 3312
With the Triax in the ideal location of my room, I'll let it have the final say. Once it's measured up and I know what I'm working with then if there's any decrease in output or undesired results with the trinity then it will be just a lost memory. I'm hoping for maybe some bass smoothing out of the trinity from behind my seats but even though I like the Trinty if it holds me back then it will be cut loose. In that case I'll find the Triax a suitable mate. biggrin.gif
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