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post #1021 of 3665
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Originally Posted by CDBT View Post

Hi everyone!

Quick question!

I consider buying an Oppo, but I don't know if the Oppo BDP-103D will be the best for my TV. I have a Panasonic VT60 55 inches. So should I go with the regulard Oppo BDP-103 or go with the Darbee Edition? Will my VT60 benefit from the Darbee tech or my screen is not large enough to see any difference?

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Thanks
Regards

This gets asked a lot. Yes, you can see the Darbee effect on that screen. Whether it is worth a extra $100: it depends on your obsessiveness. I like playing with the Darbee settings but I could live without it. It's a luxury.

-Bill
post #1022 of 3665

I own already the normal 103EU and might be tomorrow i get the 103D.

I'm wondering if the PQ will be better with the 103D, especially the scaling and deinterlacing to 1080p at output from the hdmi-input with 576i and 1080i sources.

I can't wait anymore ;)

post #1023 of 3665
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Originally Posted by Purgy View Post

I own already the normal 103EU and might be tomorrow i get the 103D.
I'm wondering if the PQ will be better with the 103D, especially the scaling and deinterlacing to 1080p at output from the hdmi-input with 576i and 1080i sources.
I can't wait anymore wink.gif

It will be about the same. The -103D adds Darbee which gives you new capability, and subtracts QDEO which had it's own. But deinterlacing and scaling will be the same.

-Bill
post #1024 of 3665
It sure would be nice if the first visit to a thread, you were forced by the forum software to read the first post, or first 500 posts...
post #1025 of 3665
103d HDMI 1 output does transmit multichannel DSD when connected to AV8801. Am I missing some thing? DSD is clearly displayed on output screen of 103d and also on AV8801
post #1026 of 3665
I have been using an internal Region Free solution (took 2 minutes to do) without issue. FYI.
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post #1027 of 3665
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Originally Posted by wesslan1 View Post

Is it just me but when analyzing those screencaps from the Audioholics review on Fifth Element Darbee processing is adding very dark patches/lines where there are softer shadows and this gives the impressing on more depth/3D? It is very clear in the shot where she jumps off the ledge. This is theory seems like a good way to crush shadow detail in darker areas but I guess that don't show since many professionals says the image isn't comprimised in a bad way.

"Full Pop" and "Game" modes on the Darbee will crush shadow detail. "Hi Def" mode will not. I don't know what settings the Audioholics reviewer used, or how the screenshots were taken (a camera pointed at the screen?). There are a million different reasons why screenshots are unreliable.
post #1028 of 3665
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Originally Posted by avsource1 View Post

103d HDMI 1 output does transmit multichannel DSD when connected to AV8801. Am I missing some thing? DSD is clearly displayed on output screen of 103d and also on AV8801

Yes. Me too I get DSD out of HDMI 1 going into the Pioneer Elite SC-79. The pioneer iControl AV app shows the incoming sample rate of 2.8 MHz correctly on pure direct.
post #1029 of 3665
Thread Starter 
With the removal of the Marvel QDEO OPPO can send (once again) DSD through HDMI 1 on the BDP-103D.
post #1030 of 3665
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Originally Posted by joerod View Post

I have been using an internal Region Free solution (took 2 minutes to do) without issue. FYI.
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Are you using the JVB internal mod? If so, is soldering required? On the page in their site describing the mod for the 103D it says in one place "no soldering necessary" and on the same page they mention that soldering experience and material is required.
Thanks
post #1031 of 3665
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Originally Posted by Neuromancer View Post

With the removal of the Marvel QDEO OPPO can send (once again) DSD through HDMI 1 on the BDP-103D.

They haven't removed the mention of the hardware limitation from the 103D manual
post #1032 of 3665
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

Not in the current firmware. However, the hardware restriction that imposed that on the 103 does not exist in the 103D. So we'll see…..
--Bob


This is strange because our resident experts mention that oppo103D cannot output DSD from HDMI1. Many comments have been posted in this thread regarding lack of DSD output from HDMI input 1 through 103D.
post #1033 of 3665
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Originally Posted by avsource1 View Post

This is strange because our resident experts mention that oppo103D cannot output DSD from HDMI1. Many comments have been posted in this thread regarding lack of DSD output from HDMI input 1 through 103D.

Surprise!

-Bill
post #1034 of 3665
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Originally Posted by alonwa View Post

They haven't removed the mention of the hardware limitation from the 103D manual
Latest manual 1.1 came out early October, and subject to change. wink.gif
post #1035 of 3665
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Originally Posted by avsource1 View Post

This is strange because our resident experts mention that oppo103D cannot output DSD from HDMI1. Many comments have been posted in this thread regarding lack of DSD output from HDMI input 1 through 103D.
Just shocking isn't it. eek.gifwink.gif

BTW I've verified DSD playback via HDMI-1 works earlier, we just tend not to spill surprises readily. cool.gif
post #1036 of 3665
Well Gosh! It wasn't SUPPOSED to work . . . . YET!

I knew it was coming in future firmware, but I can't test HDMI DSD in my setup and assumed it hadn't snuck out yet.

Anyway, thanks to the folks who didn't believe me and checked for themselves.

Good Catch!
--Bob
post #1037 of 3665
Hi All, quick question about 103D vs 103. I just picked up a 103 locally. Been reading about the 103D and don't want buyers recourse later. Who is the target audience for the 103D? I'm not much of a "tweaker" kind of guy, just set it and forget it. Thx for honest opinions as always! Bill cool.gif
post #1038 of 3665
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Originally Posted by ingramba View Post

Hi All, quick question about 103D vs 103. I just picked up a 103 locally. Been reading about the 103D and don't want buyers recourse later. Who is the target audience for the 103D? I'm not much of a "tweaker" kind of guy, just set it and forget it. Thx for honest opinions as always! Bill cool.gif
see Is the BDP-103D Right for Me?
post #1039 of 3665
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Originally Posted by ingramba View Post

Hi All, quick question about 103D vs 103. I just picked up a 103 locally. Been reading about the 103D and don't want buyers recourse later. Who is the target audience for the 103D? I'm not much of a "tweaker" kind of guy, just set it and forget it. Thx for honest opinions as always! Bill cool.gif

I suspect most people fiddle with the Darbee when they first get it, find a good setting and then forget it.

For me: Hidef 35%. I sometimes turn it off or switch to HDMI2 to see what life is like there. Strangely enough, life is pretty good.

-Bill
post #1040 of 3665
Whether the 103D is a valuable upgrade depends on 2 things:

1) How large a screen you're using; and

2) How high end your display device is in terms of video processing and resolution.

I'm using an interim 720P with fair to middling processing on a 125" -150" screen. The difference is astounding.

I haven't tried it on my 52" Samsung RPTV that was top of the line when new - but I'm guessing it won't be much more than a novelty there. That TV already has excellent processing and a hard to fault picture.

On just about any projector - yes definitely. Smaller flat screens harder to say.
post #1041 of 3665
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Originally Posted by HTCrazy View Post

Whether the 103D is a valuable upgrade depends on 2 things:

1) How large a screen you're using; and

2) How high end your display device is in terms of video processing and resolution.

I'm using an interim 720P with fair to middling processing on a 125" -150" screen. The difference is astounding.

I haven't tried it on my 52" Samsung RPTV that was top of the line when new - but I'm guessing it won't be much more than a novelty there. That TV already has excellent processing and a hard to fault picture.

On just about any projector - yes definitely. Smaller flat screens harder to say.
Unless you have top end 2012 Panasonic Plasma or a similar high end HDTV with similar PQ enhancement (contrast enhancement), then you can most certainly see the PQ difference on a typical 1080P RPTV for example at a smaller screen size usage.
post #1042 of 3665
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by alonwa View Post

They haven't removed the mention of the hardware limitation from the 103D manual

That is because it was added in a firmware upgrade that shipped on the disc (not the player) and the manual doesn't even mention the Darbee remote button, the Darbee controls, and other changes in the BDP-103D when compared to the BDP-103. OPPO just did not refresh the manual (for whatever reason) and will likely do so in the future when things get a little more tapped out.
post #1043 of 3665
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

Well Gosh! It wasn't SUPPOSED to work . . . . YET!

I knew it was coming in future firmware, but I can't test HDMI DSD in my setup and assumed it hadn't snuck out yet.

It was added to the 79-0910 firmware. So the players before the firmware upgrade would have the same BDP-103 limitations, but as soon as they upgraded the firmware to the Official 79-0910 Darbee firmware, DSD over HDMI 1 works properly.
post #1044 of 3665
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Originally Posted by Neuromancer View Post

That is because it was added in a firmware upgrade that shipped on the disc (not the player) and the manual doesn't even mention the Darbee remote button, the Darbee controls, and other changes in the BDP-103D when compared to the BDP-103. OPPO just did not refresh the manual (for whatever reason) and will likely do so in the future when things get a little more tapped out.
The v1.1 does Neuromancer, it covers the Darbee remote button for example. smile.gif
post #1045 of 3665
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Originally Posted by Neuromancer View Post

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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

Well Gosh! It wasn't SUPPOSED to work . . . . YET!

I knew it was coming in future firmware, but I can't test HDMI DSD in my setup and assumed it hadn't snuck out yet.

It was added to the 79-0910 firmware. So the players before the firmware upgrade would have the same BDP-103 limitations, but as soon as they upgraded the firmware to the Official 79-0910 Darbee firmware, DSD over HDMI 1 works properly.

Don'tcha just LOVE hidden features and improvements? Collect them all!

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--Bob
post #1046 of 3665
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by JohnAV View Post

The v1.1 does Neuromancer, it covers the Darbee remote button for example. smile.gif

I was talking about the printed manual. I know the initial manuals did not mention the Darbee button at all.
post #1047 of 3665
Thanks for the update on DSD re: HDMI1. My 103D arrived today but alas won't get to it until the weekend.
post #1048 of 3665
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Originally Posted by JohnAV View Post

Unless you have top end 2012 Panasonic Plasma or a similar high end HDTV with similar PQ enhancement (contrast enhancement), then you can most certainly see the PQ difference on a typical 1080P RPTV for example at a smaller screen size usage.

Good to know though it doesn't really surprise me. On my setup the Darbee is an indispensable upgrade from the regular 103. I expect it will still be even with the higher end projector I'll be upgrading to in the next month or two.
post #1049 of 3665
Please forgive me for raising a question to which I should already know the answer, but it has been several weeks now since I read through this thread. I plan to get a BDP-103D soon. I have an A/V receiver that handles 3D (Pioneer Elite VSX-53) and it has two HDMI outputs. If I feed my receiver the output from the player HDMI-1, will I be able to use the Darbee on the two projectors that will be connected to the receiver? One of the two projectors supports 3D and the other does not. I will not have both projectors on simultaneously, but I'm hoping that I'll be able to get the enhanced video processing on both. Will I?
post #1050 of 3665
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Originally Posted by fxrh View Post

Please forgive me for raising a question to which I should already know the answer, but it has been several weeks now since I read through this thread. I plan to get a BDP-103D soon. I have an A/V receiver that handles 3D (Pioneer Elite VSX-53) and it has two HDMI outputs. If I feed my receiver the output from the player HDMI-1, will I be able to use the Darbee on the two projectors that will be connected to the receiver? One of the two projectors supports 3D and the other does not. I will not have both projectors on simultaneously, but I'm hoping that I'll be able to get the enhanced video processing on both. Will I?
If you're connecting the Oppo's HDMI1 output to your receiver and have Darbee processing turned on, the results of the Darbee processing will be present on the signal when it gets to your receiver, so both outputs on the receiver will get the same.

Keep in mind that other sources going into your receiver won't benefit from the Darbee processing. You would need to send any other sources through the Oppo's HDMI inputs if you also want them to have Darbee processing applied.
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