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post #241 of 3664
^ It's no different than what is done with the QDEO processing in the original 103. The player is not designed to put out two processed video streams to two separate displays. That's not what the HDMI 2 output is for.
--Bob
post #242 of 3664
Apparently its not
post #243 of 3664
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Originally Posted by blee0120 View Post

Apparently its not

What he is saying is, for the most part dual HDMI players have been for sending audio to a non 3D/legacy AVR, etc... and sending the other signal to your display. They are generally designed to send the same processed source out of HDM1 and 2.
post #244 of 3664
I'm still agonizing over my decision to get the 103D (should be delivered this Thu or Fri) over the 103. The single most important feature for me is the de-interlacing, scaling, video decoding and overall video processing features for my OTA channels going through my Tivo Roamio. My set is the Panasonic 65ST50 which is very poor in all these aspects putting out a soft pic with visible dithering all around for all 720p and 1080i channels. I have a standalone darbee which'll be moving to the other room once the 103D gets here.

It all comes down to how well the VRS will do compared to the Marvell processor of the 103. I've read reports of how the Marvell looked soft on the 103 with owners countering this by moving sharpness up a notch. On the other hand I'm not sure how the VRS will compare to the highly regarded Marvell for overall video processing.

I look forward to owners comparing these 2 players and posting their opinions once they decide which one they'll keep. I can always go back and order the 103 if the results favor it and bring back the standalone darbee and add it to the loop so I'll always have that feature.
post #245 of 3664
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Originally Posted by gadgtfreek View Post

What he is saying is, for the most part dual HDMI players have been for sending audio to a non 3D/legacy AVR, etc... and sending the other signal to your display. They are generally designed to send the same processed source out of HDM1 and 2.

It still sends video to the avr. When I heard built in Darbee, I just thought it was built in for both hdmi outputs. There is no reason to upgrade if you have a 103 and a Darbee
post #246 of 3664
Look at it this way. You can sell a 103 for $400-450, there fore the 103D only costs you $150 more. You get Darbee built in as well as it having the ease of FW updates. If I have a Darbee and 103, Id sell the 103 and Dabree and buy the 103D. The exchange of money isnt much here.
post #247 of 3664
Anything coming out of pocket is too much. But I will just get a splitter
post #248 of 3664
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Originally Posted by blee0120 View Post

It still sends video to the avr. When I heard built in Darbee, I just thought it was built in for both hdmi outputs. There is no reason to upgrade if you have a 103 and a Darbee

I would agree with that, at least for now. If you already have a 103 and a Darblet, there is much less reason to switch to a 103D instead. (In my case I'd do it anyway because the way the 103D produces Dithered output on HDMI 1 is better for my display than what the 103 does, but that's peculiar to my setup.)

Now, what remains to be seen is whether there is any FUTURE VALUE in having the Darbee built in. We know that the Darbee processing code is one of the pieces that can be updated via the OPPO's firmware install mechanism. My understanding is that with the Darblet, doing an update like that would require a return to the factory. What we DON'T yet know is whether there will actually BE interesting updates to the Darbee code which 103D owners could get their hands on more easily this way. Time will tell.
--Bob
post #249 of 3664
In the UK, OPPO dealer Audiocom International claims to have the 103D In Stock both in its normal configuration *AND* with a dealer-installed, Blu-ray Region Free hardware mod!

If true, that means there is ALREADY at least one such dealer-installable hardware mod available now for the 103D. I've no way of knowing whose hardware mod Audiocom International uses for that.
--Bob
post #250 of 3664
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

I would agree with that, at least for now. If you already have a 103 and a Darblet, there is much less reason to switch to a 103D instead. (In my case I'd do it anyway because the way the 103D produces Dithered output on HDMI 1 is better for my display than what the 103 does, but that's peculiar to my setup.)

Now, what remains to be seen is whether there is any FUTURE VALUE in having the Darbee built in. We know that the Darbee processing code is one of the pieces that can be updated via the OPPO's firmware install mechanism. My understanding is that with the Darblet, doing an update like that would require a return to the factory. What we DON'T yet know is whether there will actually BE interesting updates to the Darbee code which 103D owners could get their hands on more easily this way. Time will tell.
--Bob

Thats my thinking, it feels more future proof. I still think selling both and combining is a good move. Both of them resell very very well.
post #251 of 3664
^ It's really a "wait and see" on that. We already know that just because something CAN be updated doesn't mean that updates WILL be forthcoming. Consider the Netflix app in the OPPO 93, which will never get updated because after the 93 shipped Netflix changed their minimum hardware requirements for the hardware assisted security features used by the app. Deep sigh....

Given the relationship between OPPO and Darbee, I think the odds are much greater that interesting updates to the Darbee stuff will come out over time. But there can be no guarantee that will happen, until we actually see it.
--Bob
post #252 of 3664
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Originally Posted by Neuromancer View Post
 

How many Darbee settings does the player remember?

Darbee has four modes. The player remembers a separate Darbee Level for each:
  • Off (always makes Darbee Level = 0)
  • HiDef
  • Gaming
  • FullPop
In addition, the player has three user Modes available on the Picture Adjustment setup screen. These are user-defined presets and each remembers a Darbee Mode and Darbee Level for each mode, so the player will remember 3 x 3 = 9 possible levels (Off always being 0).

Is setting Darbee Level to "0" the same as Darbee Mode "Off"?
Yes, they are identical.

Which mode is best for movies? Full Pop or HiDef

post #253 of 3664
^ See my post at the top of this thread. The easy answer is use Hi Def when playing HD content -- whether or not it's a movie. Use Full Pop when playing SD content. Game is kinda/sorta a blend of the two approaches, so you might want to tinker with it. Personally, I've done nothing with Game.
--Bob
post #254 of 3664
With this upscaling to 3840x2160, a Sony 4K tv would no longer upscale the image correct? Anyone with a 4K tv purchase this yet?
post #255 of 3664
Thread Starter 
I've used it on the Sony X900A (the same that OPPO showed the Darbee solution on at CEDIA) and the results are pretty good.
post #256 of 3664
Debating on buying this bluray player, or continue with the Elite and waiting for HDMI 2.0 bluray players to come out...
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Originally Posted by Neuromancer View Post

I've used it on the Sony X900A (the same that OPPO showed the Darbee solution on at CEDIA) and the results are pretty good.
post #257 of 3664
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

I would agree with that, at least for now. If you already have a 103 and a Darblet, there is much less reason to switch to a 103D instead. (In my case I'd do it anyway because the way the 103D produces Dithered output on HDMI 1 is better for my display than what the 103 does, but that's peculiar to my setup.)

Now, what remains to be seen is whether there is any FUTURE VALUE in having the Darbee built in. We know that the Darbee processing code is one of the pieces that can be updated via the OPPO's firmware install mechanism. My understanding is that with the Darblet, doing an update like that would require a return to the factory. What we DON'T yet know is whether there will actually BE interesting updates to the Darbee code which 103D owners could get their hands on more easily this way. Time will tell.
--Bob

I came out of pocket $50. I guess ill see if its something better going on. If not, its one extra cable and device
post #258 of 3664
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Originally Posted by mcarozza View Post

Debating on buying this bluray player, or continue with the Elite and waiting for HDMI 2.0 bluray players to come out...

They most likely will come out with one next year. I decided to upgrade so I can use this one with my 1080p projector and next years oppo with my 4k projector
post #259 of 3664
macarozza,
There's always something to wait for. Why stop at HDMI 2.0? 2.2 is right around the corner.

What guarantee do you have that the initial HDMI 2.0 players won't come with their own factory installed gotchas? Heck, HDMI.ORG couldn't even get HDMI v1.3 and v1.4 right with the first generation v1.3 and v1.4 chips.

At some point you've got to ask yourself if what's available today is something you'd find enjoyable. (The resale track record for the OPPO players does make the decision somewhat easier.)
--Bob
post #260 of 3664
^ Valid point about the resale. Ill probably buy and use this until I find a HDMI 2.0 bluray player worth considering.
post #261 of 3664
How is this expected to play with a dedicated video processor like a Lumagen Radiance XE? It's been my impression (which could be wrong) that Darbee processing should ideally be last in the chain, right before the display device. With it in the BDP that's obviously not possible if running to a video processor or HT preamp/processor.

Is anyone using the Darbee BEFORE a dedicated video processor (or even an A/V processor like an Anthen D2V)? And how does it compare to using it last in the chain?

Thanks

Bill
post #262 of 3664
I thought about buying the 103D,i change my mind and keeping 083 and 93 players they good enough for me.
post #263 of 3664
We have put one video online regarding our full review of the BDP-103D DARBEE

You don't need to speak french to understand it wink.gif

But you better choose the 1080p resolution and full screen to watch it :

http://www.projection-homecinema.fr/2013/10/09/lecteur-oppo-bdp-103d-darbee-edition-test-video/
post #264 of 3664
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Originally Posted by mcarozza View Post

With this upscaling to 3840x2160, a Sony 4K tv would no longer upscale the image correct? Anyone with a 4K tv purchase this yet?

I have the Sony 4k TV and also now have the 103D. I found as with using the regular 103 that the up scaling provided by the Oppo is BETTER then letting the Sony Tv do the upscaling. When I compared the two using the Oppo resulted in a better image in my opinion.
I have not fully played around with the Darbee stuff on the 103d yet with the 4k tv, but I will lol smile.gif

Adam
post #265 of 3664
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Originally Posted by Verbow View Post

How is this expected to play with a dedicated video processor like a Lumagen Radiance XE? It's been my impression (which could be wrong) that Darbee processing should ideally be last in the chain, right before the display device. With it in the BDP that's obviously not possible if running to a video processor or HT preamp/processor.

Is anyone using the Darbee BEFORE a dedicated video processor (or even an A/V processor like an Anthen D2V)? And how does it compare to using it last in the chain?

Thanks

Bill

I have a Darbee between my 103 and my Radiance due to comments from jim Peterson that Lumagen had changed the processing sequence in their Darbee equipped line of processors due to early user feedback. I notice a small improvement in PQ vs. having the Darbee after the Radiance.
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post #267 of 3664
Nice gadgtfreek! I am at work and got the FedEx delivery notice and can't wait to get home to play with mine. Have fun.
post #268 of 3664
Well, I know everyone likes pics smile.gif
post #269 of 3664
Quote:
Originally Posted by Verbow View Post

How is this expected to play with a dedicated video processor like a Lumagen Radiance XE? It's been my impression (which could be wrong) that Darbee processing should ideally be last in the chain, right before the display device. With it in the BDP that's obviously not possible if running to a video processor or HT preamp/processor.

Is anyone using the Darbee BEFORE a dedicated video processor (or even an A/V processor like an Anthen D2V)? And how does it compare to using it last in the chain?

Thanks

Bill

DarbeeDR stated it should be as close to the SOURCE as possible which, if true, makes it ideal in the player.
post #270 of 3664

@gadgtfreek: Waiting for your review!

 

Just wanted to know if there is any news regarding the region unlock mods!!! I just hope that the existing mod will work with it!!!

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