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Ok guys I need a little help. I have 3 projectors and the Oppo 103D. I want to use all three with the hdmi output that has an integrated Darbee in it and the other going straight to my avr for audio. What should I buy so I can use all three with hdmi 1?
post #2492 of 3665
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Originally Posted by McLuvin View Post

I just had my system calibrated this past Friday and the calibrator noticed it on my system with a 103D. I really couldn't see it but he mucked around trying to get it right and I think he set the delay on my pre-amp to around 53ms. He still didn't seem satisfied but thought it was close enough. He also seem perplexed like he wasn't expecting any delay.
Thanks for that info.

The thing is I'm seeing differing delays for different 'outputs'. The delays change over time and when I first installed the 103D I didn't witness any delays.

- Netflix, a small delay
- HTPC though HDMI IN - medium delay
- BD larger delay.

Perplexed.......There is definitely bad lipsync comms going on between the TV and the AVR now that the 103D is sitting in the middle. Bypassing the 103D, with just AVR --> TV there are no problems with HTPC lipsync.

I had to install the latest Oppo beta fw for the system to work in the first place - on stock fw, the TV screen would blank as soon as you plugged in the HDMI 2 audio for Split A/V into the AVR.

Bob, any ideas?! confused.gif

To add:
Different audio formats also have a different effect on delay time.

Samsung PN51F8500
Denon 2112ci
Edited by pieandchips - 1/28/14 at 4:03am
post #2493 of 3665
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Originally Posted by pieandchips View Post

Thanks for that info.

The thing is I'm seeing differing delays for different 'outputs'. The delays change over time and when I first installed the 103D I didn't witness any delays.

- Netflix, a small delay
- HTPC though HDMI IN - medium delay
- BD larger delay.

Perplexed.......There is definitely bad lipsync comms going on between the TV and the AVR now that the 103D is sitting in the middle. Bypassing the 103D AVR --> TV no problems with HTPC lipsync.

I had to install the latest Oppo beta fw for the system to work in the first place - on stock fw, the TV screen would blank as soon as you plugged in the HDMI 2 audio for Split A/V into the AVR.

Bob, any ideas?! confused.gif

To add:
Different audio formats also have an effect.

Samsung PN51F8500
Denon 2112ci

Interesting. I am having all kinds of issues myself but thought it was my control4 setup. Right now my 103D wont even power down either with remote or by physical button on front panel. I am getting black screen often now. I either have to turn AVR off and then back or 103D.
post #2494 of 3665
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Originally Posted by blee0120 View Post

Ok guys I need a little help. I have 3 projectors and the Oppo 103D. I want to use all three with the hdmi output that has an integrated Darbee in it and the other going straight to my avr for audio. What should I buy so I can use all three with hdmi 1?
If the Oppo is the only source you want to share with the 3 displays, you would need a HDMI distribution amp / splitter with at least 3 outputs. If you want to share the Oppo and other devices with the 3 displays, you would need a HDMI switch with enough inputs for the source devices you want to hook up and a HDMI distribution amp / splitter with at least 3 outputs or a HDMI matrix switch with enough inputs for the source devices you want to hook up and at least 3 outputs (the matrix switch would allow you to watch any source on any display in any combination you desire).

If you want to use all 3 projectors with the same source at the same time, they would need to have common video format specs (same resolution, same color space, etc.) because the play can obviously only send 1 signal out on the 1 HDMI port at any given time.
post #2495 of 3665
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Originally Posted by met_fan View Post

I'm running into some problems when I use the network features of the 103D. I've played some files and it works great, but I've also totally locked up the player browsing around my network drives, so that the unit was unresponsive to any button presses from the remote and I had to turn it off with the power button on the player. Has anyone run into anything like this?

Yes, just ran into this a couple of times tonight. Had to power it down both times to get it to work again.
post #2496 of 3665
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Originally Posted by aboogaard View Post

I have had my BDP-103D for two weeks and have some observations. I owned the BDP-83 and went for the 93 when it came out. When it arrived, I put it right to use to see what the differences were. The Blue Ray picture quality was good. The 83 had more video noise in that there was more grain. The 93 helped out in that regard. Probably due to the always-on NR. But still overall, I feel the Blu Ray quality was better than the 83.

The DVD up-conversion is another thing all together. I felt that the BDP-93 was not as good as the 83 in this regard. In fact, I had a Sony Play Station 3 on hand and the 93 DVD up-conversion was inferior to the PS3. Because I have a lot of DVDs, I wanted to have something that would do a better job than the 93. I did a bit of research and found that the Panasonic 220 Blu Ray player was highly rated for DVD up-conversion. I bought one at Best Buy and sure enough, it too was better than the 93. I feel sorry for JKR1963. Said he was trashed for his comments about the DVD up-conversion of the 93, but I totally agree with him.

I talked to OPPO about the issue when they brought out the BDP-103. They told me that since the Marvell QDEO processor was still used, the up-conversion would be the same. I didn't want that.

When OPPO the 103D was announced, I became interested due to the inclusion of the Darbee circuitry. By brother-in-law decided to give it a try and I went over to see what was up with this new unit. I was glad to see that the Marvell chip set was gone. I liked what I saw on his 720p set, so I ordered a 103D for my own evaluation.

All my observations were done using a Panasonic PT-EA8000U projector on a 92 inch Da-lite screen. I started by watching parts of The Avengers Blu Ray. There is a lot of detail in the seen where the "aircraft carrier" is first brought up out of the water. I set the Darbee to HD mode and started increasing the percentage. I got all the way up to 65%, an unbelievable level, without seeing anything objectionable in the image. Switching Darbee on and off, I could see the perception of picture improvement. In spite of the fact that some feel Darbee is somehow not quite authentic, I found it to be quite realistic on this film. Checking several other movies, I found that varying levels of Darbee brought more or less desirable qualities to the image.

For instance, Avatar showed motion artifacts i did not like in the scene where the hammer head beast in encountered. When the beast thrashed his head, there seemed to be quite a bit of extremely fast jutter that I found irritating. I turned off Darbee and increased the Detail Enhancement all the way up to 16. The image took on an amazing 3D quality that amazed me. (this was not the 3D version.) I felt like I could have reached in and grabbed a handful of leaves. All other Blu Rays I looked at had amazing image quality.

Now to the DVD up-conversion. I like to use the SD DVD of Gladiator. It is an extremely crisp DVD. Simply put, the BDP-103D, sans the Marvell QDEO processor, is everything I wanted it to be. The image was as good as I have ever seen a DVD look. Edges, while soft in comparison to Blu Ray, were none the less smooth and sharp with a lot of detail in the beginning war scene and the mountains where Russel Crow was riding home after his near-murder. Darbee seemed to help here, although at a low percentage, around 35%. A little Edge and Detail Enhancement add to the image quality. I performed several more checks of both Blu Ray and DVD and found my observations to be consistent in all cases with adjustments to the settings. Sometimes Darbee helped, other times not so much. Glad it only cost me $100 more in the 103D rather than spending $350 for the outboard Darblet. Also, any firmware changes to the Darblet require sending it back to Darbee, where as these can be downloaded and installed in the 103D just like any other firmware update to the player.

As for sound quality. I am a longtime audiophile and very picky about sound. All the OPPO players make excellent CD transports. I have a Onkyo TX-N809 AVR with the same D/A converters as OPPO uses. I always felt the sound quality using the HDMI output from the OPPO players was at least as good as the analog out with some CDs having a bit better top end from the analog out. The 103D, I understand, has had some changes to the analog output stage, so I was interested in doing some tests here, as well.

Short story version, the BDP-103D analog output is hands down the best option over both the Onkyo and even the BDP-93. Compared to either of these, the 103D has an extended high end and more detail than the other two. This was true of CDs, SACDs, 24/192 FLAC files and DSD files. What a great surprise this turned out to be. The CDs I used were Collections By Dave Grusin and Trycycle by Flimm and the BBs. SACD was Yellow Brick Road, Elton John. FLAC files were Thriller, Michael Jackson, Rumors, Fleetwood Mac and Inversions, Stevie Wonder. All these shared increased detail and depth. They had real three dimensionality and opened up the recordings environmental image. Any thought I might have had that I needed to buy a better outboard D/A converter have been more than satisfied by the 103D.

Finally, anyone who has had OPPO in the past should try this player. And anyone looking the the best of just about all the worlds of video and music should also consider the OPPO BDP-103D. Especially since they have a 30 tryout period, the only thing you have to loose is the shipping costs. But I don't think your going to send it back.

High regards to you all,
Allen Boogaard

Great post! I also looked at the 103 and thought the DVD processing was inferior to my Panasonic 220. BR seemed soft also. Frankly surprised, I attributed it to the Marvel chip and returned the unit. I have found that the 103D with Darbee on DVD conversion is equal or better than the 220. BRs look fine. And I use the analog outputs to McIntosh amps.
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Here is my problem. This is a quote from OPPO: "DVD Up-Conversion - Per-pixel motion-adaptive de-interlacing and advanced scaling transform the standard definition image on DVDs to high definition output on your TV. Additional Qdeo video processing options help to deliver a clearer, smoother, and more true-to-life picture free of noise and artifacts." Note that Qdeo video processing is added to the up-conversion.

Also, in the 103 Thread Starter is this quote: "Qdeo by Marvell - The BDP-103 incorporates Marvell's Kyoto-G2H video processor with the latest generation Qdeo™ technology. Qdeo video processing delivers a truly immersive viewing experience by rendering quiet natural video free of noise and artifacts for all types of content. For high-quality Blu-ray content, the BDP-103 faithfully reproduces the program just as the director intended; for DVD, the up-converted picture quality bridges the visual gap from your current DVD library to Blu-ray discs." It infers that the Qdeo chip is doing the up-conversion. Regardless of what chip is doing the deinterlacing and scaling, the Qedo is still involved. I can only assume that the Qdeo post processing was the reason the DVD PQ was, in my and other's opinions, inferior to the BDP-83, the PS3 and the Panasonic 220.

Now here is a quote from the Thread Starter for the 103D:
How is the BDP-103D different from the BDP-103?
The BDP-103D subtracts:
the Marvell Qdeo video processor
...and adds:
the Darbee Visual Presence video processor
the Silicon Image VRS ClearView video processor

OK, there goes my major objection. The Qdeo chip. That is why OPPO told me that I wouldn't like the 103 any better than the 93. It still had up-conversion processing performed by the Qdeo.

I do have one question; Why is there never any mention of the MediaTek SOC anywhere in OPPO's literature?

PS. Gave the PS3 back to my grandson and sold the Panasonic 220. I'm lovin' the BDP-103D. Get one quickly. The 93's are showing up on eBay and the selling prices are going down fast.
post #2498 of 3665
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Originally Posted by aboogaard View Post

Here is my problem. This is a quote from OPPO: "DVD Up-Conversion - Per-pixel motion-adaptive de-interlacing and advanced scaling transform the standard definition image on DVDs to high definition output on your TV. Additional Qdeo video processing options help to deliver a clearer, smoother, and more true-to-life picture free of noise and artifacts." Note that Qdeo video processing is added to the up-conversion.

Also, in the 103 Thread Starter is this quote: "Qdeo by Marvell - The BDP-103 incorporates Marvell's Kyoto-G2H video processor with the latest generation Qdeo™ technology. Qdeo video processing delivers a truly immersive viewing experience by rendering quiet natural video free of noise and artifacts for all types of content. For high-quality Blu-ray content, the BDP-103 faithfully reproduces the program just as the director intended; for DVD, the up-converted picture quality bridges the visual gap from your current DVD library to Blu-ray discs." It infers that the Qdeo chip is doing the up-conversion. Regardless of what chip is doing the deinterlacing and scaling, the Qedo is still involved. I can only assume that the Qdeo post processing was the reason the DVD PQ was, in my and other's opinions, inferior to the BDP-83, the PS3 and the Panasonic 220.

Now here is a quote from the Thread Starter for the 103D:
How is the BDP-103D different from the BDP-103?
The BDP-103D subtracts:
the Marvell Qdeo video processor
...and adds:
the Darbee Visual Presence video processor
the Silicon Image VRS ClearView video processor

OK, there goes my major objection. The Qdeo chip. That is why OPPO told me that I wouldn't like the 103 any better than the 93. It still had up-conversion processing performed by the Qdeo.

I do have one question; Why is there never any mention of the MediaTek SOC anywhere in OPPO's literature?

PS. Gave the PS3 back to my grandson and sold the Panasonic 220. I'm lovin' the BDP-103D. Get one quickly. The 93's are showing up on eBay and the selling prices are going down fast.
I'll say this again:

The QDEO DOES NOT do any deinterlacing on the 103 - the MediaTek SOC does ALL deinterlacing on both the 103 and 103D. The QDEO in the 103 also does no scaling other than scaling to 4K - ALL other scaling on the 103 is performed by the MediaTek SOC, same as on the103D. On the 103, the QDEO is used only for scaling to 4K and enhancement processing (noise reduction, etc.) on HDMI1 only. If you use the HDMI2 output on the 103, the picture quality will be identical to HDMI1 or HDMI2 on the 103D (assuming any VRS and Darbee processing is disabled on the 103D's HDMI1 output) as both players have the same MediaTek SOC.

The QDEO in the 103 does not do any "up-conversion processing".

I can't explain why Oppo would have told you that the 103 would be identical to the 93 in the area you were asking about, because it isn't. I also don't know how you could have judged the picture quality of the 103 compared to the 93 and 103D if you never had one.

The MediaTek SOC isn't mentioned in the Oppo literature because it's not a sexy video processing chipset name like ABT, QDEO, Realta, VRS, etc. It's the same reason why you see the SABRE DAC prominently mentioned in the 105/105D specs but no mention of the DAC used in the 103/103D specs.
post #2499 of 3665
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Originally Posted by Smarty-pants View Post

Here's a good example of the type of difference you should be seeing with Darbee...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_eeX4cnQ4Q

Thanks Smary-Pants... I played with it more last night and I could see it doing it's thing better on Sherlock Holmes. It's subtle and doesn't really blow me away like I was hoping it would. I have a Sony projector and thought this would really enhance it. I am using reality creation within the projector and I can tell a HUGE difference with it turned on. Just not so much with Darbeee. I will keep playing with it though to try and find that magical 'WOW" moment that so many seem to have with it.
post #2500 of 3665
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Originally Posted by TorTorden View Post

Well, I'd just like to say this about my first week with the oppo.

My intention as stated was to use this as a universal disc player, streamer and I was curious about the Darbee.
Curious and slightly sceptical.

Well between listening to my Beethovens SACD's and my pink floyd cd's I have been tweaking various image settings.
obsessing over audio sync etc only to finally decide it was in my head (per norm)

So I plop in Avengers again yesterday and It was one of those 'stars aligns' home theater experiences, and I was grinning from ear to ear throughout.

I have occassionaly been noticing on movies before a slight 'depth effect' now most of this is probably from my HW50 being capable to deliver a good picture but with the darbee chip on top I sometimes feel like I am watching a 3d movie although with the '3d' scaled down, only without any of the drawbacks and the quite annoying 'HEY LOOK 3d !" but enough of a depth effect that sudden camera shifts (like during a conversation scene) can become unnerving but again without the "OMG did I just teleport" shocks I get in 3d during the same scenes.

I used to run with Reality creation on and at a resolution of about 20 (slightly high) but now with darbee in hi-def and at about 35%-40% I am probably just going to turn it off, or have it at the lowest possible setting.

I also feel the Darbee helps motion flow (which I keep at low) performs a tiny bit smoother than before, but that might just be in my head again.

In short I'm loving it, and I feel I got a bargain with the Darbee that I otherwise would have had to buy separately.


TorTorden - I have the same projector as you do and find Reality Creation turned on has a much more WOW factor than Darbee. Can you please tell me your Darbee and Reality Creation settings so I can compare and see if I can come to the same conclusion as you? Also, what movies are you using as a reference? I have Avengers and can do that one but any others would be great as well. And how big is your screen and what kind of screen are you using? Sorry for all of the questions but I am really trying to see the value of the 103D and so far I am not.

Thanks,
Greg
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Originally Posted by McLuvin View Post

Thanks Smary-Pants... I played with it more last night and I could see it doing it's thing better on Sherlock Holmes. It's subtle and doesn't really blow me away like I was hoping it would. I have a Sony projector and thought this would really enhance it. I am using reality creation within the projector and I can tell a HUGE difference with it turned on. Just not so much with Darbeee. I will keep playing with it though to try and find that magical 'WOW" moment that so many seem to have with it.

High Def 35% and find some footage of faces close up. Examine all the pock marks and contours. Keep flicking on and off and you should see a lot more 'detail' appear.
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Originally Posted by pieandchips View Post

High Def 35% and find some footage of faces close up. Examine all the pock marks and contours. Keep flicking on and off and you should see a lot more 'detail' appear.

Yes, I was doing just that last night with Sherlock Holmes as there are a lot of close-ups. Could definitely see it doing something as before I could not. I think my issue might be using Reality Creation at the same time. I know others use both with great results so I just need to figure out the best setting when using the two. I am looking through the HW50ES thread now and will play with it more tonight.
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I give up. You win. I'm wrong. OPPO's wrong. Thread Starter is wrong. Even though it appears from what OPPO says in their literature that all picture adjustments are done by the Qdeo, not just noise reduction.

This is why I waited so long to ever get involved in a forum. Seems there is always some one who just has to correct the world. But you say your a Beta Tester, so you must know all there is to know, even more than OPPO.
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^ Calm down. "Picture adjustments" ARE done by the QDEO in the 103 (for the HDMI 1 output). Decoding, de-interlacing, and scaling (up to 1080p) are done by the MediaTek.

The division of labor between the two processors has *CHANGED* since earlier firmware.
--Bob
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Originally Posted by gsr View Post

If the Oppo is the only source you want to share with the 3 displays, you would need a HDMI distribution amp / splitter with at least 3 outputs. If you want to share the Oppo and other devices with the 3 displays, you would need a HDMI switch with enough inputs for the source devices you want to hook up and a HDMI distribution amp / splitter with at least 3 outputs or a HDMI matrix switch with enough inputs for the source devices you want to hook up and at least 3 outputs (the matrix switch would allow you to watch any source on any display in any combination you desire).

If you want to use all 3 projectors with the same source at the same time, they would need to have common video format specs (same resolution, same color space, etc.) because the play can obviously only send 1 signal out on the 1 HDMI port at any given time.

I bought a 4x1 switch from monoprice and it didn't work
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Originally Posted by blee0120 View Post

I bought a 4x1 switch from monoprice and it didn't work
To feed the 3 displays you need at least a HDMI splitter / distribution amp or a HDMI matrix switch. The splitter would be designated as 1x4 and a matrix switch would be designated as something like 4x2, 4x4, 6x4, 8x8, etc. A switch alone would be used to connect multiple sources to a single display (hence 4 sources to 1 display in the case of the one you bought). I'm not going to make specific recommendations other than to say that I've had great results using a Crestron 6x4 HDMI matrix switch to feed multiple sources to multiple displays in my home.
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My BDP-103D arrived today!

Very nice looking unit.

QUESTION


Would I benefit using the HDMI from my (9242 PVR) Bell Sat Box (set to 1080) to the BDP-103D?
Bell broadcasts 1080i on the HD channels
TV is a Samsung 60F8500 plasma & is 1080p native.
post #2511 of 3665
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Originally Posted by McLuvin View Post

TorTorden - I have the same projector as you do and find Reality Creation turned on has a much more WOW factor than Darbee. Can you please tell me your Darbee and Reality Creation settings so I can compare and see if I can come to the same conclusion as you? Also, what movies are you using as a reference? I have Avengers and can do that one but any others would be great as well. And how big is your screen and what kind of screen are you using? Sorry for all of the questions but I am really trying to see the value of the 103D and so far I am not.

Thanks,
Greg

I have a 90" flat-grey 1 gain screen, no hotspotting, no FOV issues (I have good light control, besides for these 6-7 months in the south of Norway we only have about 3-4 hours of daily sun to worry about anyways)
I too love Reality Creation, but I find it a little heavy handed compared to Darbee's more subtle and for me more elegant touch.

I used to have RC at about 20 in resolution but this was always considered a per movie function, take for example Man of Steel and the added faux grain on gets enhanced in all the wrong ways.
The darbee's wow factor for me comes more into play when I let myself just watch the movie instead of studying the PQ for wich I'm quite prone to do, there where times I had to have a glass or two of wine before watching a movie just so I would let PQ\sound tweaking go :P

I myself now really like the darbee but was sceptical to begin with, and I think it can make particularly eyes really pop on the screen, gives a slightly added intensity.
Now of course if this is something you decide is worth the money is entirely up to you.

Basically to sum up:
I use darbee in hi-def @ about 40%, RC currently at 'minimum' but still on a per movie basis, Motion flow is always set to low.
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Originally Posted by Dougofthenorth View Post

My BDP-103D arrived today!

Very nice looking unit.

QUESTION


Would I benefit using the HDMI from my (9242 PVR) Bell Sat Box (set to 1080) to the BDP-103D?
Bell broadcasts 1080i on the HD channels
TV is a Samsung 60F8500 plasma & is 1080p native.

If you have the option, I would use a "native" mode on the PVR. Both the OPPO and your Samsung have much better processing/upconversion capability than the PVR.
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Originally Posted by Dougofthenorth View Post

Would I benefit using the HDMI from my (9242 PVR) Bell Sat Box (set to 1080) to the BDP-103D? Bell broadcasts 1080i on the HD channels.

I have the same receiver, and have it set to output 1080i into the 103d. The 103d is set to output 1080P with about 35 percent Darbee applied, into an HDMI splitter that services several displays. The picture from a compressed satellite channel will never look as good as something like a BD source (and of course some channels and source programming are better than others), but the result looks very good on plasma and LED TVs, and a 3LED projector - noticeably better than it did before the additional 103D processing.
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Originally Posted by TorTorden View Post

I have a 90" flat-grey 1 gain screen, no hotspotting, no FOV issues (I have good light control, besides for these 6-7 months in the south of Norway we only have about 3-4 hours of daily sun to worry about anyways)
I too love Reality Creation, but I find it a little heavy handed compared to Darbee's more subtle and for me more elegant touch.

I used to have RC at about 20 in resolution but this was always considered a per movie function, take for example Man of Steel and the added faux grain on gets enhanced in all the wrong ways.
The darbee's wow factor for me comes more into play when I let myself just watch the movie instead of studying the PQ for wich I'm quite prone to do, there where times I had to have a glass or two of wine before watching a movie just so I would let PQ\sound tweaking go :P

I myself now really like the darbee but was sceptical to begin with, and I think it can make particularly eyes really pop on the screen, gives a slightly added intensity.
Now of course if this is something you decide is worth the money is entirely up to you.

Basically to sum up:
I use darbee in hi-def @ about 40%, RC currently at 'minimum' but still on a per movie basis, Motion flow is always set to low.

Thanks TorTorden for the info... when you say RC at a 'minimum' are you referring to the default of 20 and Noise Filtering at it's default of 30? I played with it more tonight with Sherlock Game of Shadows and paused it on Watson's face at the beginning. I turned both off and then Darbee on at 50%. Could definitely see it doing it's thing. Then turned off Darbee and turned on RC at the defaults mentioned and could see it doing it's thing. Darbeee surprisingly gave a touch more punch then RC when comparing the two. Then I turned on each one and altered the other back and forth. Both processors working together are definitely adding more detail to the picture. I was on the fence about the 103D but now I think I am seeing the light. It's amazing how blurry the picture looks to me now if I turn both off on some content. You definitely have to pick and choose when to use the processing. Like you, I find myself evaluating on a movie by movie basis. The example for me would be A Good Day to Die Hard. There was so much noise at the beginning that I thought something was wrong. Turned off RC and all was well. I am sure Darbee will be the same way.

Thanks for the screen info as well. I was thinking I couldn't see anything because of my setup but I know that is not the case now.
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Originally Posted by McLuvin View Post

Thanks TorTorden for the info... when you say RC at a 'minimum' are you referring to the default of 20 and Noise Filtering at it's default of 30? I played with it more tonight with Sherlock Game of Shadows and paused it on Watson's face at the beginning. I turned both off and then Darbee on at 50%. Could definitely see it doing it's thing. Then turned off Darbee and turned on RC at the defaults mentioned and could see it doing it's thing. Darbeee surprisingly gave a touch more punch then RC when comparing the two. Then I turned on each one and altered the other back and forth. Both processors working together are definitely adding more detail to the picture. I was on the fence about the 103D but now I think I am seeing the light. It's amazing how blurry the picture looks to me now if I turn both off on some content. You definitely have to pick and choose when to use the processing. Like you, I find myself evaluating on a movie by movie basis. The example for me would be A Good Day to Die Hard. There was so much noise at the beginning that I thought something was wrong. Turned off RC and all was well. I am sure Darbee will be the same way.

Thanks for the screen info as well. I was thinking I couldn't see anything because of my setup but I know that is not the case now.

No, when I say RC at minimum I mean so far to the left on the slider it says "min" as the value, I can still see it doing it's thing, escpecially with things slightly off in the distance and that gives me an added dose of immersion, now of course that's where I am at the momment, but there's a high probability that I will adjust it back up again if I feel like it.
RC noise correction is probably at default.

As for now I haven't played all that much with it since my Oppo's HDMI 1 is directly connected to the projecter, but I am very comfortable leaving Darbee on at about 40%, even for the movies\scenes that I had to turn RC off for.
I also think the oppo's processing helps the motion flow quite a bit as well, I have a slight feeling it's performing generaly smoother.

Now I can also mention that up until now, I have never seen any 'sharpening' or interpolation features until these rather new variations of them that I could stomach even for a short while.
The darbee is as you say kind of sneaky, at first you can't really say it's doing much of anything, but after having it for a while and then turning it off you miss it instantly smile.gif
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Originally Posted by rlb View Post

If you have the option, I would use a "native" mode on the PVR. Both the OPPO and your Samsung have much better processing/upconversion capability than the PVR.

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Originally Posted by WestCDA View Post

I have the same receiver, and have it set to output 1080i into the 103d. The 103d is set to output 1080P with about 35 percent Darbee applied, into an HDMI splitter that services several displays. The picture from a compressed satellite channel will never look as good as something like a BD source (and of course some channels and source programming are better than others), but the result looks very good on plasma and LED TVs, and a 3LED projector - noticeably better than it did before the additional 103D processing.

Thanks to both of you

I will start off with the 1080i setting & see if the 720p makes any difference (I only use HDMI of course)

I think the "native" setting is determined by the broadcasting stations output
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Thanks to both of you

I will start off with the 1080i setting & see if the 720p makes any difference (I only use HDMI of course)

I think the "native" setting is determined by the broadcasting stations output

Fox/ESPN and several other stations transmit in 720P, most transmit in 1080i. It is usually recommended the the output from the cable box to the 103D should be set to native/direct or whatever sends the signal through unprocessed. The 103D should be set to output whatever the display capability of the HDTV/projector is which usually is 1080p.
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Fox/ESPN and several other stations transmit in 720P, most transmit in 1080i. It is usually recommended the the output from the cable box to the 103D should be set to native/direct or whatever sends the signal through unprocessed. The 103D should be set to output whatever the display capability of the HDTV/projector is which usually is 1080p.

The Bell 9242 (a rebadged Dish receiver) can be set for an fixed HD output of either 720p or 1080i, which applies to all channels regardless of the source signal. As it's impractical to change this on the fly, I chose the 1080i setting and let the 103D deinterlace the signal. To me, this results in the best image.
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Originally Posted by WestCDA View Post

The Bell 9242 (a rebadged and Dish receiver) can be set for an fixed HD output of either 720p or 1080i, which applies to all channels regardless of the source signal. As it's impractical to change this on the fly, I chose the 1080i setting and let the 103D deinterlace the signal. To me, this results in the best image.

The Scientific Atlanta will send out the native resolution (with Cablevision in NY) and allow the precessing to occur outside the box which is best - many of the components in these boxes go to the low-bidder. This allows the 103D to handle everything - deinterlacing/scaling/darbee
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