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post #301 of 3738
Posted the following yesterday on another forum with no feedback, so thought someone here may have had a similar experience:

Would like to mention that being a 3D enthusiast, I've always loved the BDP-103s signal clarity in producing the best 3D visuals out of a BD 3D player.

In amazement, I stumbled on a phenomena from a setting I tried on a BDP-103D that I have not experienced as possible on any other BD 3D player (except now an older BDP 103). I'm referring to a menu setting: Video Setup > 3D Setting > 3D TV Size.

The default is set @ 46 inches and I've always set it to match the diagonal size of the display used, but for a change I thought I would set it to 750 inches for my Head Mounted Display that is supposed to have a 750" virtual image @ 65ft.

What an increase in my 3D Depth perception!!!eek.gif Noticed that my muscles in my eye's felt slightly strained, but because of the experience, I decided to experiment and set the 103D at its maximum 999 inches. All of a sudden it becomes the most natural feeling and intense 3D image I've ever sampled; No eye strain noticed.confused.gif Decided to try this on my BDP-103 in the family-room that is connected to a 65" plasma. So far, every BD 3D I've played is producing the optimum image I could only hope to experience. Many movies in 3D appear as a paper cut-out look, but this optimum setting is adding a solid roundness to objects & subjects, filling out volume which wasn't apparent using the suggested "screen size" settings. In the animated feature Coraline, the tunnel going to the "other-Mother's" world is now visually twice as deep as I've ever experienced it before. Just in one day, so far, I've grown to love this for viewing my 3D collection.

Would there be any drawbacks for this optimum setting? The manual states that it "allows you to enter the diagonal screen size of the 3D HDTV" and that's it. What if any drawback could there be for someone to use an optimum 999 inch setting on any size display????

Thanks to those who may know. The manual sure doesn't tell you.

Paul
Edited by Paul H - 10/15/13 at 7:31am
post #302 of 3738
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What's an 83 going for?

They sell around $350 in good shape with all the original packing and stuff.

wow.. thanks!
post #303 of 3738
I thought the 3D screen size settings didnt really do anything...

Ive always set mine on 65" of course.
post #304 of 3738
After a quick look around, it appears that all the usual suspects claim to have Blu-ray Region Free hardware mods for the 103d TODAY. If true, that likely means the mods for the 103 also work for the 103D -- which I find rather surprising given the board change in the 103D -- as there's hardly been time to prototype a new mod. Perhaps the older mods work, but the installation instructions are somewhat different?

Anyway, claims are one thing, reality is another. Obviously there are fresh baked cookies available for the first posters who can report success with anybody's hardware mod for Blu-ray Region Free playback on the 103D.
--Bob
post #305 of 3738
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Originally Posted by gadgtfreek View Post

I thought the 3D screen size settings didnt really do anything...

Ive always set mine on 65" of course.

As best I've been able to figure out, the 3D screen size setting has to do with insuring the 0 depth plane of the 3D image aligns with the surface of the displays screen and is not in front or in back of that.

This is necessary to minimize eye strain. The 3D effect is not "real" 3D of course -- the imagery is being generated on the surface of the display. That means the eyes need to focus at the distance of the display screen.

If the 0 depth plane is not aligned with the display screen you get eye strain because the brain is receiving conflicting cues on where to focus. Focussing on the display is cued by the sharpness of the result, but focussing in front or back of the display is cued by when the 3D image makes the most sense to the brain. Different people will be more or less sensitive to this. In addition, your seating distance from the display may make this less relevant (the further away you are the less percentage error in the focus distance), and the brighter the imagery the less relevant as well as the eye has more "depth of field" in focus as the iris closes down in response to the brighter image.

A lot of this is guesswork and may just be so much hot air.

Anyway, if you find a false screen size gives a more pleasing image TO YOU and eye strain is not a problem, then go for it. "Accurate" rendering is achieved by putting in the correct screen size.
--Bob
post #306 of 3738
When I asked OPPO what the "3D Screen Size" setting did some time back (in reference to the BDP-93 at the time), I was told the following:

"The '3D screen size' value is pased to the BD-Java navigation program on 3D discs as-is by the player. The player does not use it to perform any video processing. The BD-J navigation program MAY use this information to position menu overlays and subtitles to create the proper field of depth for your display."
post #307 of 3738
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

Since we've got a lot of new folks coming on thread due to the 103D, let me just repeat a little known feature of the 103/105/103D. You can plug in a USB keyboard into one of the peripheral device USB jacks of the OPPO and use that to speed up entry of things like Wifi settings, Netflix login credentials, and etc.
--Bob

Awesome, thanks
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wow.. thanks!

It's hit or miss

http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_odkw=oppo+bdp-83&LH_ItemCondition=4&_osacat=0&_from=R40&LH_Complete=1&_trksid=p2045573.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.Xoppo+bdp-83+-83se&_nkw=oppo+bdp-83+-83se&_sacat=0

I sold my 83 locally on craigslist for $250 (with a couple of small scratched on the case top and everything except the box), but was more interested in a fast sale than top $.
post #308 of 3738
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Originally Posted by Josh Z View Post

When I asked OPPO what the "3D Screen Size" setting did some time back (in reference to the BDP-93 at the time), I was told the following:

"The '3D screen size' value is pased to the BD-Java navigation program on 3D discs as-is by the player. The player does not use it to perform any video processing. The BD-J navigation program MAY use this information to position menu overlays and subtitles to create the proper field of depth for your display."

A perfectly reasonable answer (subtitle "depth" should be aligned with the surface of the display), but it doesn't jibe with the report above that a large, bogus screen size alters the appearance of the 3D movies. Has anyone else tried this yet? I don't use 3D myself, so I've got no way to check. Perhaps the reported change in imaging is viewer bias? I.e., wishful thinking?
--Bob
post #309 of 3738

Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post Since we've got a lot of new folks coming on thread due to the 103D, let me just repeat a little known feature of the 103/105/103D. You can plug in a USB keyboard into one of the peripheral device USB jacks of the OPPO and use that to speed up entry of things like Wifi settings, Netflix login credentials, and etc.
--Bob

 

Really never new that good to know :)

 

I hope Oppo integrate Darbee in the BDP-105 it looks very impressive

 

http://www.projection-homecinema.fr/2013/10/05/oppo-bdp-103d-darbee-edition-mega-test-avec-plus-de-100-photos/


Edited by wse - 10/10/13 at 10:13am
post #310 of 3738
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

A perfectly reasonable answer (subtitle "depth" should be aligned with the surface of the display), but it doesn't jibe with the report above that a large, bogus screen size alters the appearance of the 3D movies. Has anyone else tried this yet? I don't use 3D myself, so I've got no way to check. Perhaps the reported change in imaging is viewer bias? I.e., wishful thinking?
--Bob

it would be great if you would do some 3d related stuff. you know your stuff about regular 2d etc etc.

Jacob
post #311 of 3738
^ I think 3D is just about dead for this cycle. I expect it will be back again in oh, about 7 years. I've even got a marketing name for it: 2020 Vision™
--Bob
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This says it all

 

Le plus impressionnant est obtenu avec cette scène.

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post #313 of 3738
^ That's really a higher percentage level than I'd recommend for Darbee Full Pop (which is what's being shown). If you set the percentage that high you will find scenes going by where the processing is distracting. Also, Darbee Hi-Def is a better choice for HD content.
--Bob
post #314 of 3738
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

^ I think 3D is just about dead for this cycle. I expect it will be back again in oh, about 7 years. I've even got a marketing name for it: 2020 Vision™
--Bob

While not a 100% supporter, I disagree. The 2013 output will equal 2012, and 2014 already has a good list (some scheduled for 2015). Now that its built into displays across all ranges, and the 2D to 3D conversion process has gotten better, I think itll be around.

Now broadcast 3D on the other hand... I agree with the theory to not shoot everything you can in 3D, save it for where it makes sense to use it. Look at stuff like Life of Pi, Oz and Transformers. Now thats good 3D smile.gif
post #315 of 3738
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

^ I think 3D is just about dead for this cycle. I expect it will be back again in oh, about 7 years. I've even got a marketing name for it: 2020 Vision™
--Bob

they have been saying 3d is over since the beginning. its still here. check out gravity.. the 3d is excellent.

Jacob
post #316 of 3738
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post^ That's really a higher percentage level than I'd recommend for Darbee Full Pop (which is what's being shown). If you set the percentage that high you will find scenes going by where the processing is distracting. Also, Darbee Hi-Def is a better choice for HD content.
--Bob

OK it still looks good in terms of details!

post #317 of 3738
Re 3D: What matters is whether content worth watching gets produced in the first place. The stuff we want to watch is produced for THEATERS -- not for home screens. "Turbo" this summer only managed 25% of its box office from 3D venues (where 60% is generally considered the bar for whether it's worth the trouble). "Gravity" is a real success -- like "Avatar" -- for 3D, but those are increasingly rare as the novelty wears off and resistance to the higher ticket prices (and goofy glasses) kicks in. Overseas interest in 3D is still high, and that will keep it going for a while. None of this is new. The movie biz has been down this path multiple times before.
--Bob
post #318 of 3738
It looks fine on my 65" at home, and I rarely go to the theater. smile.gif

I hope it sticks in there as something used a few times a year when needed. I'm not going to watch everything in 3D, but a lot of it I will. With regards to planes, you also have to factor in it's a kids flick and you already have cash strapped parents taking their kids to the movies. They arent going to spring the xtra $3 or so for each ticket.
post #319 of 3738
Hi

Is there anybody with a 103D and Sharp 80" 844?

How does Darbee look and what settings on the darbee do you have?

If not do you have a similar display?

Rob
post #320 of 3738
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

^ I think 3D is just about dead for this cycle. I expect it will be back again in oh, about 7 years. I've even got a marketing name for it: 2020 Vision™
--Bob

When properly done, genuine 3D can add a new dimension (no pun intended) to your viewing experience. A few examples: Hugo and The Creature from the Black Lagoon. Sadly, 99 % of the stuff produced is for kids only.
post #321 of 3738
Has anyone tried their existing region free mod kits with the 103d?
post #322 of 3738
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

A perfectly reasonable answer (subtitle "depth" should be aligned with the surface of the display), but it doesn't jibe with the report above that a large, bogus screen size alters the appearance of the 3D movies. Has anyone else tried this yet? I don't use 3D myself, so I've got no way to check. Perhaps the reported change in imaging is viewer bias? I.e., wishful thinking?
--Bob

I played around with the screen size setting when I first got the BDP-93 and a few times with the 103. I never found it to make any noticeable difference in the 3D quality. It is not a "3D Strength" setting, as you might find in many HDTVs or other Blu-ray players (Panasonic, for example).

"3D Strength" adjusts the parallax offset between the left and right eye images to increase or decrease depth, but often causes crosstalk artifacts and/or eye strain as a result (because the content wasn't actually mastered for that different parallax). My Sharp DLP projector has this setting, and bumping it even one click in either direction makes an immediately noticeable difference in the picture. Two clicks or more and the picture is basically unwatchable.

"3D Screen Size" in the OPPO does... nothing, that I could see, at any setting.
post #323 of 3738
^ That would be consistent with the response quoted above from OPPO.
--Bob
post #324 of 3738
Got 103-D today start setting up just like i did 103 six months ago...Did updates via disk.. Now try to check updates over network it says can't connect
to server...though i have connected to NETFLIX w/o problem (except buffer out Power Cycle) is this ok right now or not???
PQ look little bit improved over 103 not much but there is difference you can tell...(using YBR 4:4:4 with 36 bit color)
Got it. ( beta donot have network update.....Can somebody give me VRS settings.... please
Edited by dhobi - 10/10/13 at 1:57pm
post #325 of 3738
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Originally Posted by Josh Z View Post

"3D Screen Size" in the OPPO does... nothing, that I could see, at any setting.
Would appreciate it if you would try the "3D TV Size" setting again with a BD 3D comparing the display screen size setting and the optimum 999 setting. It makes a drastic difference for my 3D perception on both my 65" plasma and HMD headset.
post #326 of 3738
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Originally Posted by dhobi View Post

Got 103-D today start setting up just like i did 103 six months ago...Did updates via disk.. Now try to check updates over network it says can't connect
to server...though i have connected to NETFLIX w/o problem (except buffer out Power Cycle) is this ok right now or not???
PQ look little bit improved over 103 not much but there is difference you can tell...(using YBR 4:4:4 with 36 bit color)
Got it. ( beta donot have network update.....Can somebody give me VRS settings.... please

The network update server for the 103D is probably not on-line yet, since there is no newer firmware beyond what came with the player on that install disc.

I recommend you leave all the Picture Adjustment settings at their default (0) values until you find a good reason to want to change any of them. That includes the VRS settings. The default values produce "reference" video output signals on HDMI.
--Bob
post #327 of 3738
Got mine today. It has a manufacture date of August 2013. Updating the firmware. Will post initial thoughts shortly.
post #328 of 3738
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Originally Posted by MagnoliaMOE View Post

Got mine today. It has a manufacture date of August 2013. Updating the firmware. Will post initial thoughts shortly.

Mine was Aug 2013 as well.
post #329 of 3738
Hi, I Know this is an Oppo thread, but I have to decide my next purchase....
I have a Sony Blu-ray BDP S790 connected to a Denon 4311 and a Panasonic 8000 projector. Its worth to buy only a Darblet 5000 or invest more for an Oppo 103D? Will have the same results in image quality?
Thank you in advance
post #330 of 3738
The 790 is pretty much reference for blu-ray, and is good on DVD. It's a tough call because the Darblet is now more than it was when it first came out, and they new 5100 is supposed to be on the way. Ive had a 790, and a darblet, and Id say Id rather have them combined in the build of an Oppo, but you have to consider that and price. As far as PQ, I do not think for a second you will gain anything 103D vs Darblet + Sony.

Also keep in mind if you have a lot of sources, you can run out of an AVR to the Darblet to processing on them, where the 103D is limited there to blu-ray, dvd and whatever you send into it with the HDMI In.
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