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post #421 of 3658
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Originally Posted by wmcclain View Post


The -103 with QDEO may have better capability to deal with poor quality video streams with its sharpening and noise reduction controls. Darbee doesn't do that and VRS is probably not as sophisticated in that regard.

-Bill

Hmm, I hate to admit it but I do a lot of streaming movie watching from Netflix, VUDU etc. Plus some DVD watching too which would all be considered lower quality video streams than blu- ray. Maybe I'd be better off with the 103?

Of course there's always the possibility that future updates will make the Darbee and VRS stronger to outperform the QDEO since this seems to be their flagship videophile player.. I'm glad it's only a $100 I'm agonizing over. But a step down in upscaling and poorer video stream perfomance would be a problem.

Thanks everyone for your responses.
post #422 of 3658
^ There's no step down in upscaling. Both players do upscaling the same way (with the sole exception of upscaling to 4K).

There's also no step down in performance with regard to playing crappy content or poor quality streams *UNLESS* you want to turn on one or more of the features to try to conceal how bad the content is, and prefer the way the QDEO does it over the way the VRS does it. I.e., with default settings in both machines (which is they way most people leave it), the results are the same in this regard. Neither the QDEO nor the VRS steps in to try to do something automatically. You have to select such processing in their Picture Adjustment settings.

The reality is that poor or damaged content isn't going to look great even when processed. The original information has already been lost.
--Bob
post #423 of 3658
Bob, Interesting finding with my 103 D compare to 103. I am watching DishNetwork programming (HD receiver) and most of them are originally SD content
but dish HD receiver sending out as 1080i on my Sony HX-729 now when i bought 103 first time and it convert it 1080P and that PQ was awesome ( QDEO do
something with HDMI 1 by default is something special to get superior PQ) Now with 103 D everything default value except Darbee level 35% with HiDef but
PQ isn't impressive compare to 103 somehow and with Darbee on or off i can't see any difference is there i missing something here???
post #424 of 3658
Thread Starter 
With their defaults, the two solutions should look identical. I do not know how the BDP-103D looks worse than the BDP-103 when you have not enabled any video processing on the player. Try setting Noise Reduction (HDMI 1) to +1 on the BDP-103D and see if the performance is more identical to what you saw on the BDP-103.
post #425 of 3658
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Originally Posted by dhobi View Post

Bob, Interesting finding with my 103 D compare to 103. I am watching DishNetwork programming (HD receiver) and most of them are originally SD content
but dish HD receiver sending out as 1080i on my Sony HX-729 now when i bought 103 first time and it convert it 1080P and that PQ was awesome ( QDEO do
something with HDMI 1 by default is something special to get superior PQ) Now with 103 D everything default value except Darbee level 35% with HiDef but
PQ isn't impressive compare to 103 somehow and with Darbee on or off i can't see any difference is there i missing something here???

Check that you haven't accidentally plugged into the HDMI 2 output of the 103D. Crank up the Darbee percentage to double-check. The difference between Darbee on/off at high percentage values should be obvious -- if you aren't seeing that then either you aren't using HDMI 1 output or you've got it set to Source Direct (which bypasses the processing).

Press Info on the OPPO to check what's coming in from the dish (top line) and what's going out on the HDMI outputs (bottom line).

With Darbee off, and all other settings at default in both players, the same feed from the Dish sent through the player to the same input of your TV should look identical -- the QDEO is not involved in de-interlacing 1080i to 1080p in the 103.

If you are using a DIFFERENT input socket on your TV, then the most likely problem is that you don't have the settings in the TV correct for that input yet. Also double-check that you are using the same output settings in the 103D as you were using in the 103: HDMI Color Space, and HDMI Deep Color in particular.
--Bob
post #426 of 3658
hi does the Oppo 103D have discreet DAC built in for analog stereo listening like the Oppo 105? Also, does the Darbee processing put out better picture quality than the Marvell Qdeo? thanks.
Edited by NAIM101 - 10/12/13 at 7:14pm
post #427 of 3658
Hi

Can I plug in my Dune media player into 103D HDMI input n utilize darbee ? Will I get basic dts and did?

Many thanks
post #428 of 3658
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Originally Posted by NAIM101 View Post

hi does the Oppo 103D have discreet DAC built in for analog stereo listening like the Oppo 105?

A quick look at OPPO's web page shows that the -103 and -103D do not have separate stereo outputs.
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Also, does the Darbee processing put out better picture quality than the Marvell Qdeo? thanks.

That is impossible to answer. It depends on viewer preferences.

-Bill
post #429 of 3658
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Originally Posted by DexS View Post

Hi

Can I plug in my Dune media player into 103D HDMI input n utilize darbee ?

Yes,
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Will I get basic dts and did?

See the FAQ: What are the specs of the digital inputs?

-Bill
post #430 of 3658

Thanks Bob,

 

I think that is precisely what is happening. Once I set the opp to 1080p/24 for DVD's my non blue ray material will play.

 

I don't really mind as i am happy with 1080p/24.

 

:>

post #431 of 3658
^ Problems with 1080p/60 output (but where 1080i/60 and 1080p/24 work fine) almost ALWAYS mean there's a problem in the HDMI cabling. Keep in mind that HDMI is an end to end protocol, so if you have the OPPO sending signals through an AVR to the Display the problem could be in the HDMI cabling either side of the AVR.

Anything that's in the HDMI path should be suspect. For example wall plates -- commonly used to tidy up HDMI connections to projectors -- were notorious a while back for not working at 1080p/60. So consider everything that's in the HDMI path: Daisy chained cables, wall plates, adapters, switches, and ANY sort of electronics. Ideally you want to have only a single run of HDMI cable -- nothing else in the path -- between any two devices.

Next, HDMI is just a friction fit of plug in socket. It only takes a small shift of the plug in the socket to screw things up. It is rather common for this to happen with new cables because the packaging kinks in the cables put tugging stress on the plugs. Be sure to check both ends of each cable to make sure the plug is fully inserted straight into the socket with nothing (e.g., cable weight) tugging the plug in any direction. Sometimes you can spot this as the problem with the "wiggle test". Grasp the cable about an inch from the plug. Push the plug straight into the socket and give a gentle wiggle. If the 1080p/60 signal suddenly snaps in, you've found the problem. Again, check both ends of each cable in the signal path.

Sometimes the problem is simply one of mechanical fit of a given plug in a given socket. Replacing the cable may change the mechanical tolerances just enough to avoid the problem.

1080p/60 signals require all HDMI cables in the signal path to be "high speed" cables. The p/60 is what makes the difference here. 1080i60 is the same bandwidth as 1080p/30, which is actually slightly higher bandwidth than 1080p/24. So it is the full, 1080p/60 signal that puts the maximum demands on the cable. HDMI cables are labelled as having met one of two testing specs. Normal cables are only really good up to 1080i/60. The better cables will be labeled as "High Speed" or "Category 2" or "For 1080p", all of which mean the same thing -- and that's what you want. The cable provide by OPPO with the player is fine.

If you have Deep Color output turned on at any stage (i.e., output from the OPPO or output from an AVR), then that too puts more bandwidth on the cable.

Lastly, and this is the least likely of the problems, some older displays don't actually accept 1080p/60. They only accept up to 1080p/24. Which means you have to use 1080i/60 for content that would normally produce 1080p/60 to the display. Check your Display's manual if you think that might be a possibility.

This is a problem you really should spend some time trying to resolve if you have lots of SD-DVDs you like to play. That's because some SD-DVDs are not going to be suitable for DVD 24p Conversion. You will get frame drop stutter. This would include any SD-DVD made from original, video rate content (e.g., a DVD of a TV program), as well as some older SD-DVDs which were not mastered in a way conducive to recovering the original /24 film frame rate.

For Blu-ray discs, movies will be fine at 1080p/24, but things like live concert performance discs may be recorded at video rate -- i.e., they are on disc as 1080i/60 and need to be played as either 1080i/60 or 1080p/60.
-Bob
Edited by Bob Pariseau - 10/12/13 at 8:16pm
post #432 of 3658
Hi
Enjoying my 103D! But on DVDs, when there is a dark screen I see white horizontal hazy streaks. I have Full Pop set to 55, but I lowered it to 20 and got the same results. Bluray on the other hand does this a couple of times on a couple of discs. I can live with the trade off, as the PQ is awesome on bluray (HD mode set at 55). My display is Sharp 80" 844.

I played around with VRS and no improvement.

Any ideas? I would like to used the Darbee technology on DVDs, but can live with it on only Blurays.

Rob
post #433 of 3658
Double check that it goes away when you turn Darbee OFF. If so, report the disc title to OPPO Tech Support with your findings. If possible include the bar code number from the disc packaging so they can be sure they are getting the exact same disc version of the title.
--Bob
post #434 of 3658
Thread Starter 
Darbee at 35% at Hi Def will cause the kind of streaming you see, particularly in dark scenes (or completely blank screens). I just watched Iron Man 3 tonight and there were some scenes which were pretty bad even at a conservative 30% level.
post #435 of 3658
Thanks for the quick response.

I turn the Darbee off and it goes away.

Ill call oppo customer service and ask. The thing is it has done this on 3 dvds, and 3 blurays, not just 1 disc. I only played these 6 discs on the 103D, but I figured it was worth it to ask.

Rob
post #436 of 3658
Can 103D play Netflix superHD movies, I get a display saying 1080 HD while playing superHD movies. Is this still a super HD broadcast. Is there a way to display data rate. Thanks
post #437 of 3658
I read this message in Netflix web site.

"Although some Super HD eligible devices do not currently display the Super HD logo, we continue to provide Super HD video quality for these devices".
post #438 of 3658
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Originally Posted by avsource1 View Post

Can 103D play Netflix superHD movies, I get a display saying 1080 HD while playing superHD movies. Is this still a super HD broadcast. Is there a way to display data rate. Thanks

Yes, The test title "Example Short 23.976" has the useful characteristic that it displays on screen the bit rate currently coming in. Compare that against the "1080 HD" shown in the on-screen Info display when you press the Info button on the remote, and you'll see that "1080 HD" can indeed get up to their highest bit rate (if your networking speed allows that).
--Bob
post #439 of 3658
Hi Bob

I think it maybe picking up noise or artifacts that were hidden before Darbee. This goes along with your review you gave, when you said if there is noise the Darbee will enhanced that noise.

Rob
post #440 of 3658
^ Right, and that just needs to be checked on those titles. But if you see an artifact that is visible at Darbee 5% or 10% (which does almost nothing to the image) but goes away with Darbee OFF, that may point to a bug. Again, this is just stuff that has to be checked by the clever folks at OPPO.

The bug may have nothing to do with Darbee itself -- but simply some other portion of the video chain that is acting up, and Darbee just makes it more visible. All speculation, of course. But it's a new player, and anomalies should be reported.
--Bob (Just me thinking like a Beta Tester) P.
post #441 of 3658
Thanks for your time Bob.

Rob
post #442 of 3658
Thanks Bob, thats what I thought
post #443 of 3658
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Originally Posted by RobDec View Post

Hi Bob

I think it maybe picking up noise or artifacts that were hidden before Darbee. This goes along with your review you gave, when you said if there is noise the Darbee will enhanced that noise.

Rob

 

I have an external Darblet that I use with my 105 connected through my Anthem D2v Prepro and it doesn't streak in dark scenes at all. I have it at HD 80% mode on my 60" Kuro Elite Plasma. I'm sitting 17 feet away from my plasma.

 

I'm sitting in a completely darkened room(except for the light of my laptop I'm using to type this message) watching a UFO sightings program on the Discovery Channel:) ... Black night sky backgrounds with no visible streaks.


Edited by dmusoke - 10/13/13 at 12:20am
post #444 of 3658
17 feet from a 60" plasma. Don't you need some binoculars too?
post #445 of 3658
Anyone currently using a 103D with a Sony x900? Interested in any feedback.
post #446 of 3658
I have been running an external Darbee with my 103 since shortly after it came out. Have not seen any horizontal hazing. I run around 50% HD mode and have played with all the modes at various levels but will revisit to make sure. I'm on a 110" screen at about 10ft.
post #447 of 3658
I have not tried it on Blu-ray, and most likely won't, but its my opinion that while the Darbee helps many scenes, it also makes compression issues more noticeable. Off for me and all other pic mode settings on zero smile.gif
post #448 of 3658
I just sold my 103 and the darbee after I saw this player coming out. Should I go ahead and buy this 103d or is there a 4k bluray player coming out? Im not very technical so help is much appreciated.
post #449 of 3658
There will be an HDMI 2.0 model coming Im sure. My best guess would be 12 months from now smile.gif
post #450 of 3658
Can someone provide specific titles and times so that I can test the black band streaking?
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