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post #511 of 3738
^ Did you do the Reset Factory Defaults after updating the firmware with the supplied disc?

If not, go into Setup > Device Setup and do that now. After that finishes, power down the player. Then pull the power plug for about 10 seconds, then power up and see if you still have the problem.

If you DO still have the problem, disconnect everything from the player except for the power cord and your HDMI output cable. See if the problem still exists with only those.

If so, also try lowering the output resolution of the player -- use the Resolution button on the remote, the values in the Front Panel display, Up/Down arrow to get to a value and Enter to select it.

Try 480p output (not 480i). 480p is the "simplest" HDMI output. If that still fails then the odds are you do have a faulty player.

If 480p output WORKS, next try 1080i output.

One thing you could try while waiting to hear from OPPO about getting a replacement is to download the firmware for USB install from the OPPO Support page for the 103D and re-install the firmware -- all parts of it. Be sure to do the Reset Factory Defaults afterwards. On the first power up after the install, a Recommended Reset will be offered. That's all you need.
--Bob
post #512 of 3738
Ok thank you for the help will try it and keep my fingers crossed. I know it's the player but I have no Idea what is causing it. Will try everything you suggested thanks.
post #513 of 3738

I have an external Darbee that is designed to output 10-bit data regardless of the input. I presume Oppo's version is the same. So for those who set 12-bit data in their Oppo video configurations should know it will be truncated to 10-bits after Darbee processing.

post #514 of 3738
^ That's a heck of an assumption. Have you seen any evidence of that in the OPPO implementation?

ETA: With Darbee enabled, if you set 36 bit video output on HDMI 1 and then bring up the on-screen Info display while playing a disc, you can use Page Up/Down to change that Info display to show what's being output on the HDMI connections. If you do that, it shows HDMI 1 output is 36-bit. (I just tried it.)

If the video calculation is actually being truncated it could, of course, still be output as 36-bit with padding zeroes, but I would expect that would be obvious to anyone who sets up Darbee at, say 5%, and then toggles between Darbee HI-DEF and Darbee OFF during 36 bit output. I.e., if you can detect the difference between 30 and 36 bit output through your AVR to your Display WITHOUT Darbee, then this would be an easy test to see if the SAME thing is happening WITH Darbee, since Darbee 5% does virtually nothing to the image.

Of course only OPPO knows such implementation details, but I see no reason to assume the implementation has to be the same as what the Darblet does.
--Bob
Edited by Bob Pariseau - 10/15/13 at 10:30pm
post #515 of 3738
I've been keeping an eye on the website for the Canadian dealer, SolutionsAV, to see if the 103D had made it North of the border yet.

They've just changed their 103D page to show the unit will be available starting October 17.

(For all I know, other dealers may have different dates or may even already have it -- I just used that one as a test case because I happened to remember the name.)
--Bob
post #516 of 3738
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

^ That's a heck of an assumption. Have you seen any evidence of that in the OPPO implementation?
--Bob

 

Nothing definitive or conclusive... and that's why I said it was an assumption on my part. My external Darbee unit uses the same Altera FPGA as the one inside the Oppo 103D with similar FPGA resources(RAM/Memory Blocks, Adaptive Logic elements, Variable Precision DSP Blocks and Transceivers).

 

To implement a full 12-bit solution would require a 25% increase in FPGA resources over the current 10-bit implementation. Maybe there's plenty of room to absorb the extra complexity but I'd guess that if it was so, Darbee would have implemented it in its Darblet already.

post #517 of 3738
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Originally Posted by bziggy View Post

Hello. Ok got me oppo bdp-103d and hooked it up did the DVD up date it came with. Now I have an issue that I can't figure out. On the right side of the screen about 2 inches of it comes in all screwed up. It seems to come and go and I have tried different hdmi cables and shut off all settings but it did not make a difference. I think it is the player but am not sure. I use any other source and it dose not happen it is the oppo player that's doing it.


Any one eels having a problem or ideas.



Had the exact same issue until I switched out my Oppo supplied HDMI cable with another 1.4v high speed HDMI cable of my own. No more issues after that. Handshake issues I used to have have also greatly reduced since then.
post #518 of 3738
Hi

I was tweeking my 103D and something interested happened. The streaking disappeared when the Darbee screen came up. But after I closed the Darbee screen the streaking came back. I don't know what caused this as I put everything back to how I had it originally.

Do any of you guys know what it could be?

Rob
post #519 of 3738
With deep color off and ycbcr set to 444 and the Darbee function on, the Oppo outputs the standard 8 bit signal (24bit displayed), as noted in my AVR. Not sure what processing is going on before its output.
post #520 of 3738
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by RobDec View Post

Hi

I was tweeking my 103D and something interested happened. The streaking disappeared when the Darbee screen came up. But after I closed the Darbee screen the streaking came back. I don't know what caused this as I put everything back to how I had it originally.

Do any of you guys know what it could be?

Rob

This is a known "resolution" to the Darbee errors. If you bring up the INFO screen the errors will eliminate themselves entirely, while if you bring up the Darbee screen the errors will still be there, but the amount of artifacting will be greatly reduced.
post #521 of 3738

Sorry, but I'm completely disappointed with the Oppo 103D player. The Reality Creation of my XBR-55X9005A does a way better job than the player. Even when turning everything off in the menu, my PlayStation provides a better picture.

 

I'm not a 'pro user' and maybe I've set something wrong. Even when setting a bit higher levels in the Darbee and VRS menu the noise in the picture clearly rises.

 

Before buying the Oppo 103D I've tested it at the shop pretty extensively, but with a beamer, not a television. It really made a good job. Later the employee told me that the Darbee unit is used for getting the most out of older beamers actually, maybe that's why.

 

I'm going to give the shop a call tomorrow, maybe they've got an idea. Something has to be set wrong, can't be that bad.

post #522 of 3738
Thanks Neuromancer

Is Oppo working on a fix on this? Firmware update?

Rob
post #523 of 3738
Hi Guys,

Have been using a Panny DMP-BD60 for several years now for Blu ... but also employ an older JVC XV-SA70BK for my extensive DVD collection. The JVC has a fine set of controls for video processing and I have always preferred the internal result with DVDs through component over that of the Panny, no matter the input. This preference also applied even over a Zenith DVB-318 through component or DVI (this is now mothballed and first Plaz (ED) with DVI/HDMI adapter is now in bedroom). Call me retro. smile.gif

The main display is a Samsung PN58B650 and the system processor is an Onkyo PR-SC885 - but all video is direct to the set.

Am now finally ready to step up to Oppo and must decide between the 103D and the 103. Have read the entire thread and still remain unsure about the best choice for DVD play. Not really concerned as to Blu as I am sure either way would be superb. Also understand the difference between the HDMI inputs regarding the softening of the HDMI 1 by comparison to the HDMI 2. I guess It would really be helpful if someone in a similar situation as regards DVD play could pipe in and give me a pointer or two as to their preference, if any, with these two models.

On a personal note, this is the best damn website for AV ever and I am very glad to have come over from HTF many moons ago. Even the prickly nature of some of the discussions (mea culpa, as well, of course) would never deter me from this great home on the web.

Thanks in advance.
Paul
post #524 of 3738
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by RobDec View Post

Thanks Neuromancer

Is Oppo working on a fix on this? Firmware update?

Rob

They are working on the resolution to the artifacts, but no time frame.
post #525 of 3738
Thanks again Neuromancer

Theres hope at the end of the tunnel!smile.gif

Rob
post #526 of 3738
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Originally Posted by Neuromancer View Post

From a processing standpoint the player is reference with everything set to 0. Source Direct goes beyond this by forcing the player to not do any frame rate conversions, de-interlacing, or scaling. So you really can't do Source Direct + Darbee unless you changed the output resolution of the player to meet the input resolution of the source (ex. select 1080p with 24Hz Output set to ON for Blu-ray, or setting the player to 480i for DVD).

Got it, thanks very much.
post #527 of 3738
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Originally Posted by ClarkeBar View Post

Have read the entire thread and still remain unsure about the best choice for DVD play.

If you can stand the extra $100, I'd do the -103D. It's DVD image quality reminds me of the great 983H DVD and BDP-83 Blu-ray players. This despite the fact that although VRS is back, it is not used for deinterlacing and scaling as it was on the earlier players.

Darbee is fun to tinker with and you can always turn it off if you don't like it.

-Bill
post #528 of 3738
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Originally Posted by bad wombatz View Post

I'm not a 'pro user' and maybe I've set something wrong. Even when setting a bit higher levels in the Darbee and VRS menu the noise in the picture clearly rises.

Are you using a different input on your display for the Oppo? Are you aware that each input on the display has independent calibration? Leave all settings in the Oppo at default and calibrate the display.
post #529 of 3738
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Originally Posted by bad wombatz View Post

Sorry, but I'm completely disappointed with the Oppo 103D player. The Reality Creation of my XBR-55X9005A does a way better job than the player. Even when turning everything off in the menu, my PlayStation provides a better picture.

I'm not a 'pro user' and maybe I've set something wrong. Even when setting a bit higher levels in the Darbee and VRS menu the noise in the picture clearly rises.

Before buying the Oppo 103D I've tested it at the shop pretty extensively, but with a beamer, not a television. It really made a good job. Later the employee told me that the Darbee unit is used for getting the most out of older beamers actually, maybe that's why.

I'm going to give the shop a call tomorrow, maybe they've got an idea. Something has to be set wrong, can't be that bad.

First of all, Welcome to AVS, and to this thread!

Have you tried to check whether the calibration levels are correct in your display? It is pretty much a given that the factory default settings in TVs are not the best settings for quality viewing. Rather, they've been set to make the TV stand out in a wall of TVs under garish store lighting.

Spending some time with a good calibration disc is well worth the effort. For example, there's the version 2 "Spears & Munsil", Blu-ray disc sold on the OPPO Digital web site, or the Disney "WOW World of Wonder", Blu-ray disc.

When calibrating, and when checking image quality, leave all of the Picture Adjustment settings in the OPPO at their factory default (0) values. That means leaving Darbee AND the VRS processing both turned off.

Similarly, in your TV, first find the correct Picture Mode. Typically that will be labeled something like Movie or Cinema. Modern TVs make secret settings adjustments in the background for their Picture Modes which can not be eliminated by the other user controls. So starting from the correct Picture Mode is the first step. If you are not sure which Picture Mode is correct, it is almost certainly the one that appears to produce the DARKEST and SOFTEST looking picture. Don't panic! That's the correct starting point.

Next, turn off ALL the video "enhancement" features in your TV. Those "enhancement" features are designed to make crappy content look more tolerable, and will just get in the way of achieving proper video calibration.

Now, having done those preliminaries, check with the charts on the calibration disc to see what adjustments are needed. Make ALL adjustments using the controls in your TV. Leave the OPPO's Picture Adjustment settings at their default (0) values. The OPPO puts out Reference Level signals with the default settings.

Some of the adjustments in your TV will interact, so you may need to go back and forth a few times to get things right. For example, black levels (set by the Brightness control) and white levels (set by the Contrast control) interact a bit. Similarly, Color and Tint interact.

This really is worth the time. Modern displays are a lot more finicky about being set up correctly. Or to put it another way, the difference between "just right" and "nearly right" is a lot more impressive in new TVs compared to older ones.

You said you have a PS3. So do I! I know what the PS3 puts out, and also what the OPPO puts out. If you are getting video you like from the PS3 there's no good reason why you can't get at least as pleasing a result from the OPPO, so if you are not getting that, then that almost certainly means there is a simple setup mistake you just need to find.

One common problem is if you have the PS3 and the OPPO plugged into different inputs in your TV. TVs typically remember their settings "per input", and it is easy to miss some settings that need to be copied over to make a new input work like some other input.
--Bob
post #530 of 3738

Thanks a lot. Tomorrow I'm going to give the Oppo another chance as something just has to be set wrong. Can't be the PS3 generates a better picture than the Oppo does.

 

But, I did set off the Reality Creation on my Sony XBR-55X900A and I did set off everything (and to default) on the Oppo 103D in the beginning.

post #531 of 3738
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Originally Posted by bad wombatz View Post

Sorry, but I'm completely disappointed with the Oppo 103D player. The Reality Creation of my XBR-55X9005A does a way better job than the player. Even when turning everything off in the menu, my PlayStation provides a better picture.

I'm not a 'pro user' and maybe I've set something wrong. Even when setting a bit higher levels in the Darbee and VRS menu the noise in the picture clearly rises.

Before buying the Oppo 103D I've tested it at the shop pretty extensively, but with a beamer, not a television. It really made a good job. Later the employee told me that the Darbee unit is used for getting the most out of older beamers actually, maybe that's why.

I'm going to give the shop a call tomorrow, maybe they've got an idea. Something has to be set wrong, can't be that bad.

I k\now the feeling. I had a Sony BDP-S5000ES which I sold for the Oppo 103. The reality creator of the Sony was able to sharpen and deepen the picture without noise artifacts. I really liked the reality creator. Everybody raves about the Oppo, but I found the 103's picture to be soft and noisy with any kind of sharpening. Compensating with noise reduction defeated the sharpening. I am contemplating the 103D, but your post makes me reconsider. Sony's reality creator may not be true to the source, but neither is the Darbee. If you could provide a more detailed observation of your findings (maybe including some photos), I would find that really helpful. I found I was constantly wowed by the Sony, but really never wowed by the Oppo mad.gif
post #532 of 3738
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Originally Posted by wmcclain View Post

If you can stand the extra $100, I'd do the -103D. It's DVD image quality reminds me of the great 983H DVD and BDP-83 Blu-ray players. This despite the fact that although VRS is back, it is not used for deinterlacing and scaling as it was on the earlier players.

Darbee is fun to tinker with and you can always turn it off if you don't like it.

-Bill

Many thanks Bill for your quick take on DVD. I always appreciate tinkering. smile.gif

The 103D it will likely be. Just didn't want to lose the opportunity to get some equipment like the old JVC out of the cabinet, if truly no longer needed. I look forward to the 103D but will also likely wait a bit to see if Amazon will start supplying them with Prime. Right now it is strictly through OPPO in CA. I just sent a 103 straight back to them over Fed-Ex shipping issues after refusing delivery. Since this time period coincides with the larger rollout of the 103D, I suspect Amazon will be getting some reseller stock soon themselves. Unless, of course, Oppo treats the 103D like the 105, which I believe Amazon does not offer directly.
Edited by ClarkeBar - 10/16/13 at 4:29pm
post #533 of 3738
Received my 103D yesterday as an upgrade to my 103. Hooked I up, firmware update first then reset to factory defaults and set up my settings afterwards. I’m only using HDMI1 to my Pioneer SC-09TX to my professional calibrated Kuro 151FD 60-Inch monitor.

Played a few scenes from Blu-rays I know very well and compared with different Darbee settings, so far I like - on my system - HiDef 50%, this gives me just the right amount of the picture how I like it, absolutely no streaking visible like some of the members experienced, even when I pushed the level of video processing up to 120%. I did not play with the Game and FullPop setting.

In the evening the new 103D made his debut with the brand-new and just received "Pacific Rim" Blu-ray, the whole family watched and at different scenes I played around with Darbee on and off and everybody was very much impressed about the new clarity and depth of the picture. There was a scene near the end of the movie, in Hong Kong, street scene with golden Chinese Letters on a wall/roof we could only really see with Darbee on (HiDef 50%) – amazing.

BTW – Pacific Rim is demo material for picture and sound.

Sure I need to see over the next few weeks how the different Blu-rays look like, maybe I will adjust down the 50% setting but so far I love it.

Just wondering since the Marvell Qdeo video processor is removed if I can use DSD setting on HDMI1? On the BDP-103 DSD output is only available on HDMI2 due to hardware restrictions in the Qdeo video processor. Haven’t had the time to experience with this so far.

Thanks to OPPO this was a great move, the 103 improved for me with Darbee included.
post #534 of 3738
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Originally Posted by dubusduck View Post


I k\now the feeling. I had a Sony BDP-S5000ES which I sold for the Oppo 103. The reality creator of the Sony was able to sharpen and deepen the picture without noise artifacts. I really liked the reality creator. Everybody raves about the Oppo, but I found the 103's picture to be soft and noisy with any kind of sharpening. Compensating with noise reduction defeated the sharpening. I am contemplating the 103D, but your post makes me reconsider. Sony's reality creator may not be true to the source, but neither is the Darbee. If you could provide a more detailed observation of your findings (maybe including some photos), I would find that really helpful. I found I was constantly wowed by the Sony, but really never wowed by the Oppo mad.gif

 

I would have never given away the S5000ES. I've got the DA50ES receiver together with the S7700 player, still set up in my other room, and it's like you say: WOW! Oppo is nothing against Sony's ES series. Oppo may be better than the average $200 player... To damn bad Sony doesn't offer a replacement to the S5000ES – I wouldn't contemplate a second.

 

And yes, the Reality Creation (of the 55X900A) may not fetch the best picture (out of every Blu-ray movie), BUT with Darbee and VRS I couldn't match the nearly perfect picture the Reality Creation generates (tested with various Blu-rays). 

 

Like I said, I'm going to give the Oppo another chance by tomorrow...

post #535 of 3738
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Originally Posted by South Park View Post


Just wondering since the Marvell Qdeo video processor is removed if I can use DSD setting on HDMI1?

Still no go. I think it is actually a Mediatek limitation.

-Bill
post #536 of 3738
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Originally Posted by South Park View Post

Just wondering since the Marvell Qdeo video processor is removed if I can use DSD setting on HDMI1? On the BDP-103 DSD output is only available on HDMI2 due to hardware restrictions in the Qdeo video processor. Haven’t had the time to experience with this so far.
The 103D has the same restriction on DSD - only available on HDMI2.
post #537 of 3738
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Originally Posted by ClarkeBar View Post

Many thanks Bill for your quick take on DVD. I always appreciate tinkering. smile.gif

The 103D it will likely be. Just didn't want to lose the opportunity to get some equipment like the old JVC out of the cabinet, if truly no longer needed. I look forward to the 103D but will also likely wait a bit to see if Amazon will start supplying them with Prime. Right now it is strictly through OPPO in CA. I just sent a 103 straight back to them over Fed-Ex shipping issues after refusing delivery. Since this time period coincides with the larger rollout of the 103D, I suspect Amazon will be getting some reseller stock soon themselves. Unless, of course, Oppo treats the 103D like the 105, which I believe Amazon does not offer directly.

Darbee is for blu ray.
post #538 of 3738
Just ordered the 103D from Amazon hoping for Prime but they are treating the 103D like the 105, comes from Oppo, so no Prime. May change in time but who knows when.
post #539 of 3738
Has anyone tried the Super Hi Rez DSD downloads from Acoustic Sounds or any of the other DSD sites thru the 103D yet and if so what were your impressions? Thanks. ace
post #540 of 3738
Just purchased the OPPO BDP-103D. I have to say that the picture quality is definitely a step up from the OPPO BDP-95 that I have! Very happy with the results I'm getting from Darbee!
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