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post #691 of 3680
I just received my BDP-103D player yesterday and I am very happy with the image quality of both Bluray and SD-DVD with this unit. I have a Samsung UN65F8000 LCD display. Just a couple of questions cause I am an Oppo newb.

The rest of my family is lazy and I wanted to know if there was any way to have the Darbee function automatically use the HD setting for Blurays and Full Pop for DVD's?

I also need to know if there is a way to have the DVD 1080 24p function be auto detected? It worked fine for my Hellboy SD-DVD for example, but with my Dirty Mary Crazy Larry Anchor Bay Supercharger Edition, I had to disable it because the motion became very choppy.

Is that an issue with the authoring of the DVD?

Appreciate any feedback!
post #692 of 3680
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Originally Posted by dmode11 View Post

I just received my BDP-103D player yesterday and I am very happy with the image quality of both Bluray and SD-DVD with this unit. I have a Samsung UN65F8000 LCD display. Just a couple of questions cause I am an Oppo newb.

The rest of my family is lazy and I wanted to know if there was any way to have the Darbee function automatically use the HD setting for Blurays and Full Pop for DVD's?

No, I have wished for that too, but there is no preset-per-format. The user-defined Modes in Picture Adjustment retain Darbee and other settings, but it is still a manual selection to switch between them.
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I also need to know if there is a way to have the DVD 1080 24p function be auto detected? It worked fine for my Hellboy SD-DVD for example, but with my Dirty Mary Crazy Larry Anchor Bay Supercharger Edition, I had to disable it because the motion became very choppy.

Is that an issue with the authoring of the DVD?

OPPO tried autodetection in the BDP-83 and it was troublesome and is not used anymore. Yes, it is a disc authoring issue. See the BDP-93 FAQ for more: Is DVD 24hz conversion supported?

-Bill
post #693 of 3680
Awesome, thanks for the quick replies Bill!
post #694 of 3680
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Originally Posted by dmode11 View Post

I just received my BDP-103D player yesterday and I am very happy with the image quality of both Bluray and SD-DVD with this unit. I have a Samsung UN65F8000 LCD display. Just a couple of questions cause I am an Oppo newb.

The rest of my family is lazy and I wanted to know if there was any way to have the Darbee function automatically use the HD setting for Blurays and Full Pop for DVD's?

I also need to know if there is a way to have the DVD 1080 24p function be auto detected? It worked fine for my Hellboy SD-DVD for example, but with my Dirty Mary Crazy Larry Anchor Bay Supercharger Edition, I had to disable it because the motion became very choppy.

Is that an issue with the authoring of the DVD?

Appreciate any feedback!

I just got my 103D and to automate the switching from Hi-Def to Full Pop for the Darbee settings I created individual sequences with my Harmony One remote and added these sequences as additional buttons for my Blu-ray activity. It's not automatic but it works really well.
post #695 of 3680
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Originally Posted by cdittmer View Post

I just got my 103D and to automate the switching from Hi-Def to Full Pop for the Darbee settings I created individual sequences with my Harmony One remote and added these sequences as additional buttons for my Blu-ray activity. It's not automatic but it works really well.

I have a Harmony 900. I will have to give it a shot. It is more for the rest of my family and they won't even use the aspect ratio button, so If I were to put time into it, they won't use it.. lol.
post #696 of 3680
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Originally Posted by dmode11 View Post

I have a Harmony 900. I will have to give it a shot. It is more for the rest of my family and they won't even use the aspect ratio button, so If I were to put time into it, they won't use it.. lol.

In the small amount of time that I have had to test the 103D I did not find that there was a huge difference between Hi-Def and Full Pop (at similar % settings). I suspect your family would not even notice the difference if the Darbee setting didn't change for SD and HD content.
post #697 of 3680
Just watched a DVD (long time for me) on the 103D, with 24p on and forced on DVD. Thought the image was quite nice, and I dont have any of the VRS/Darbee stuff on.
post #698 of 3680
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Originally Posted by cdittmer View Post

In the small amount of time that I have had to test the 103D I did not find that there was a huge difference between Hi-Def and Full Pop (at similar % settings). I suspect your family would not even notice the difference if the Darbee setting didn't change for SD and HD content.

Assuming that OPPO's implementation is similar to the standalone Darblet unit, Full Pop crushes shadow detail, while Hi-Def does not. Depending on your percentage setting, the difference may be subtle, but that's one reason I stick with Hi-Def.
post #699 of 3680
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Originally Posted by cdittmer View Post

In the small amount of time that I have had to test the 103D I did not find that there was a huge difference between Hi-Def and Full Pop (at similar % settings). I suspect your family would not even notice the difference if the Darbee setting didn't change for SD and HD content.

Yea, you're right. They probably wouldn't notice, or even care. Thanks for the info.
post #700 of 3680
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Originally Posted by dsinger View Post

No idea but would expect them to be similar since they compete. Won't use ebay due to their connection to paypal which due to their shoddy credit card issuance policies resulted in my identity being stolen. PITA to fix that.

After I had bought $10 K through paypal, they tried to get me to either give them direct access to my bank account or take out their credit card. I said no to both. Sounds like I did the right thing.
post #701 of 3680
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Originally Posted by dmode11 View Post

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Originally Posted by cdittmer View Post

In the small amount of time that I have had to test the 103D I did not find that there was a huge difference between Hi-Def and Full Pop (at similar % settings). I suspect your family would not even notice the difference if the Darbee setting didn't change for SD and HD content.

Yea, you're right. They probably wouldn't notice, or even care. Thanks for the info.

The difference will become more noticeable in more problematic content. In general, Darbee Hi-Def will work best for a wider range of HD content, and Darbee Full Pop will work best for a wider range of SD content. In both cases, if you want to have a "Set and Forget" configuration, it is best to use a low processing percentage. I recommend 30% for Full Pop and 35% for Hi-Def as the highest Set and Forget values. The Picture Adjustment settings will remember the processing percentage separately for each Darbee mode. So you can bring up the Darbee on-screen Pop-up (with the Darbee button on the remote) and change between Hi-Def and Full Pop (or Game or Off) and the last used Percentage value for each will also automatically update.

The Mode line in the full Picture Adjustments menu allows you to select between 3 full sets of settings. (Press and Hold the Setup button as a short-cut to get to Picture Adjustments.) Along with the other settings, each Mode set of Picture Adjustment settings will separately remember a set of Darbee options, including separate percentage values for each.

If you are going to us only one of Hi-Def or Full Pop, I'd recommend you stick with Hi-Def as that will give you best results with HD content, which of course you'll want to look as good as possible.
--Bob
post #702 of 3680
Bob,
set and forget configuration and picture adjustment with darbee button will be different or same...?????
post #703 of 3680
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Originally Posted by JimP View Post

After I had bought $10 K through paypal, they tried to get me to either give them direct access to my bank account or take out their credit card. I said no to both. Sounds like I did the right thing.

In my case, I used paypal for one purchase from my old address before I sold the house in 2006 and moved to my current house in a different state. In 10/12 while negotiating a car lease, I found out my credit score was ~ 220 points less than expected. Turns out that paypal and GE bank had issued a credit card in my name to the 6 year old address based upon a internet application. Whoever got the card made no payments after maxing it out and this was reported to the credit agencies. Took 3 months and filing a police report plus extra work to get it fixed.
post #704 of 3680
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Originally Posted by dhobi View Post

Bob,
set and forget configuration and picture adjustment with darbee button will be different or same...?????

The same. The Darbee button just gives you a shortcut to view/change the Darbee-related Picture Adjustment settings in the currently selected set of settings (i.e., Mode #) of the Picture Adjustment menu for the HDMI 1 output.

You can make your Darbee changes either place.

By "Set and Forget" I simply mean settings you can stick with -- without constantly feeling the need to adjust them for different types/quality of program content.
--Bob
post #705 of 3680
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Originally Posted by Neuromancer View Post

There are sources where it adds some depth (like CG animations) but with live action movies it just lacks the look of "film" and things get a little plastic-y. So I usually have it set to 35% when I start the film, and if I find that the visual pop is annoying in enough sequences, I just turn it off for the remainder of the films. Like in Iron Man 3 I disabled it within the first minute, while with Epic I left it on the entire film.
This is what I was afraid of. Thanks for your honesty. If if doesn't have that film look, I'm out. "Plastic-y" I don't need...
post #706 of 3680
Sounds like you ae describing the "text bridging" artifact. Keep the processor out of the full pop and game modes if you don't want to see this. If you keep it in the high def mode around 30-35% this artifact is rarely visible. Use the other modes and/or crank up the percentages, and you're going to see this stuff.
post #707 of 3680
I see these white streaks on the Oppo 103D too, with Darbee enabled. I also have the standlone Darbee, and these streaks are not there when I compare the same content on another player.
post #708 of 3680
Oh great - I'm set to trade in my 103 for the 103D today at Magnolia. Tell me the streaks only happen with the Darbee! Also one review stated that the sound quality of the 103D was noticeably better than the 103. I hope that's true so if the Darbee doesn't work there's SOMETHING worth the extra $100!

I'm just hoping most Darbee complaints are from users of smaller displays. I'm using a projector with a 150" screen. I know many people in the high end projector forums have been singing the praise of Darbees for quite some time. Is the stand alone better than what's implemented on the 103D?
post #709 of 3680
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Originally Posted by HTCrazy View Post

Oh great - I'm set to trade in my 103 for the 103D today at Magnolia. Tell me the streaks only happen with the Darbee! Also one review stated that the sound quality of the 103D was noticeably better than the 103. I hope that's true so if the Darbee doesn't work there's SOMETHING worth the extra $100!

I'm just hoping most Darbee complaints are from users of smaller displays. I'm using a projector with a 150" screen. I know many people in the high end projector forums have been singing the praise of Darbees for quite some time. Is the stand alone better than what's implemented on the 103D?

Better audio: no, the two players are the same.

Streaks: I haven't seen them, but it is possible the darbee implementation needs to be tweaked by OPPO. Either trust them to fix it or wait until you hear positive reports that they have.

-Bill
post #710 of 3680
I havent seen any issues with Darbee disabled.
post #711 of 3680
Hi

I got in contact with Oppo, and said they verified the streaking issue and they are working on a resolution. They also said it should be in a future firmware upgrade, but not on the next upcoming upgrade.

I hope this helps.

Rob
post #712 of 3680
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Originally Posted by audiomixer View Post

This is what I was afraid of. Thanks for your honesty. If if doesn't have that film look, I'm out. "Plastic-y" I don't need...

Keep in mind that neuromancer is in the minority in his comments about Darbee adding a "plastic-y" appearance. "Plastic-y" implies Digital Noise Reduction, which Darbee does not employ.

With the standalone Darblet unit, I've only found objectionable artifacts at settings over 50%. I keep mine at 45% Hi-Def by default and everything looks great and very film-like. That said, the exact setting you use may vary by display. On his screen, 35% may be more appropriate. However, personally, once I found the right setting, I have never felt the need to turn it off.
post #713 of 3680
Thread Starter 
Instead of "plastic-y" you can use the word "clay-y". Film is designed to enhance certain details while masking others. For example, removing wrinkles and pock marks, but bringing out the texture of their hair. With the Darbee you enhance everything about the image, which can make things look very sharp, unreal, and false. This is why I said "plastic-y" since the people remind me of a model or toy, rather than a living person.
post #714 of 3680
"Keep in mind" that Josh Z feels the need to defend/promote the product every where he goes...

Fact is, you either like it or you dont, and his "minority" comment is pure opinion. Sure, the fanboys speak of it in droves here, but there are a lot of us that have used it (more than once) and do not like it on anything. Just because we dont blast it all the time doesnt mean we arent here. If you blast it, you tend to have to deal with the fanboys, so it's best to just sit back and not worry about the product either way.

Evaluate it for yourself. IMO, its great its built in to the 103D for $100 because you also get a VP for your STB and a great blu-ray player/dvd player, but the cost of a Darblet is outright ridiculous (my opinion).
post #715 of 3680
Thread Starter 
I don't mind being in the minority. That is is why it is personal opinion. Audiomixer asked me, Neuromancer, how I felt about the Darbee processing, and did not ask about the overall industry evaluation of the processing. If we are talking about the general public response to the Darbee, the answer would be "people love the Darbee". You have to be doing something right when Kris Deering absolutely loves the Dabee and has it in-line in his reference home-theater configuration. This was a man who ran (for some time) the Secret's of Home Theater and High Fidelity DVD Benchmarks and writes reviews for Sound & Vision. I respect his opinion a lot, and his opinion on the Darbee is shared amongst the general user base.

But the one and only, the singular me, am cautiously enthusiastic about the Darbee. I prefer moderation and reference versus pop and exaggeration. So I run the Darbee on a per source basis. If the source makes me go "nice" I keep it going. If the source makes me question the integrity of the video, then I will disable it. OPPO knew this was the possibility, so bless their engineering forseight, my personal video bliss is just three button presses away (DARBEE->UP (to set Darbee to OFF)->DARBEE).
post #716 of 3680
And I appreciate your opinion Neuromancer, even if it is in the minority. wink.gif I am extremely sensitive to any added processing for audio or video. The plain 103 looks just fantastic to me on its own. I run all settings flat. I tick up contrast, sharpness, etc. just by one notch and I can see differences; ones that I'm just not found of. So I will pass on the 103D just for those reasons alone. I would rarely implement the feature.
post #717 of 3680
I don't think this review has been linked yet here

OPPO 103D Darbee Edition Blu-ray 3D Player Review - JoeRod - 10/21
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So in conclusion what else can I say about the new 103D? How about what Oppo says, "The BDP-103D represents a marked evolution in OPPO's design and engineering. The Darbee Edition takes home theater beyond accuracy providing enhanced depth and realism to the visual experience making the BDP-103D a versatile player that delivers enhanced picture quality and premium sound." I have to admit I have not agreed more with a company when it comes to describing their own product. I compared the 103D with their own 103, a Samsung 7500, Panasonic 330, PS3 and a Sony 790. Obviously hands down the 103D is stunningly better with close-ups. Same results for 4K up scale (minus the PS3). Motion is also superior. I used Fast & Furious 6 (Blu-ray copy from UK) which has many action packed scenes for testing. As for 3D the Panny (which I consider the best on the market) is right there with the 103D. Just make sure you go into the 3D settings and select your screen size. So what is the biggest difference between all these players? You got it! The built-in Darbee. They say it's like lifting a veil. I say it's like removing a blindfold! Either way prepare to be barefoot often because it will blow your socks off!
post #718 of 3680
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Originally Posted by JohnAV View Post

I don't think this review has been linked yet here

OPPO 103D Darbee Edition Blu-ray 3D Player Review - JoeRod - 10/21
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So in conclusion what else can I say about the new 103D? How about what Oppo says, "The BDP-103D represents a marked evolution in OPPO's design and engineering. The Darbee Edition takes home theater beyond accuracy providing enhanced depth and realism to the visual experience making the BDP-103D a versatile player that delivers enhanced picture quality and premium sound." I have to admit I have not agreed more with a company when it comes to describing their own product. I compared the 103D with their own 103, a Samsung 7500, Panasonic 330, PS3 and a Sony 790. Obviously hands down the 103D is stunningly better with close-ups. Same results for 4K up scale (minus the PS3). Motion is also superior. I used Fast & Furious 6 (Blu-ray copy from UK) which has many action packed scenes for testing. As for 3D the Panny (which I consider the best on the market) is right there with the 103D. Just make sure you go into the 3D settings and select your screen size. So what is the biggest difference between all these players? You got it! The built-in Darbee. They say it's like lifting a veil. I say it's like removing a blindfold! Either way prepare to be barefoot often because it will blow your socks off!

Always love Joes enthusiasm!

Could a Blu ray be encoded with the Darbee effect or is this something that can only be done at the user end?
post #719 of 3680
I saw a demo of the darbee today. it was interesting. for better or worse. does it really matter what size of the tv is? it seems I would need a bigger set tv to notice the darbee in action. I have a 50 inch. the screen I saw was much bigger. nothing that I could afford to do myself.

Jacob
post #720 of 3680
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Originally Posted by audiomixer View Post

And I appreciate your opinion Neuromancer, even if it is in the minority. wink.gif I am extremely sensitive to any added processing for audio or video. The plain 103 looks just fantastic to me on its own. I run all settings flat. I tick up contrast, sharpness, etc. just by one notch and I can see differences; ones that I'm just not found of. So I will pass on the 103D just for those reasons alone. I would rarely implement the feature.

There is one advantage to the 103D that rarely gets mentioned. That is that on HDMI-1 when you do turn off all processing you get NO processing. The same cannot be said of the Qdeo in the 103. Although opinions differ on the effects of the Qdeo, I for one do not like it any more than I like the Darbee effect. So for me the 103D is nice because I can have identical images on both HDMI-1 and HDMI-2, and I like them both.
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