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post #781 of 3681
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Originally Posted by Josh Z View Post

The video section of the 103 and 105 are identical to each other. Only the audio section is different.

That is what I have read and what Oppo says. While the video sections may be identical, in my experience the pictures are different. Maybe the 103 I had was performing under spec or defective?
post #782 of 3681
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Originally Posted by kemiza View Post

Do you have it connected via hdmi or analog? Bitstream or pcm?

It's connected Bitstream via HDMI.
post #783 of 3681
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Originally Posted by HTCrazy View Post

It's connected Bitstream via HDMI.
Why would bitstream sound different between players?
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Originally Posted by kemiza View Post

Why would bitstream sound different between players?
It shouldn't...
post #785 of 3681
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Originally Posted by dubusduck View Post

That is what I have read and what Oppo says. While the video sections may be identical, in my experience the pictures are different. Maybe the 103 I had was performing under spec or defective?
My 103 is perfectly sharp. I really don't understand the quest for the sharpest player around. I honestly despise overly sharp, overly vivid & overly processed picture. rolleyes.gif
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Originally Posted by audiomixer View Post

It shouldn't...
That's what I thought.
post #787 of 3681
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Originally Posted by audiomixer View Post

My 103 is perfectly sharp. I really don't understand the quest for the sharpest player around. I honestly despise overly sharp, overly vivid & overly processed picture. rolleyes.gif


In my very short time with the 103D, it appears the process simply reveals?/augments detail already in the picture which current 1080P resolution limits and is very unlike any normal set controls affecting detail. I would think it would be similar to what you will see with proper 4K content and screen. Some may see it as overly processed but it can be simply turned off if desired. The pros and cons of the Qdeo weighed against the pros and cons of the Darbee, which I went with, was obviously worth it to me for the extra money. And the effect it has on quality DVD content as well, proved to me I made the right choice. To each his own.
post #788 of 3681
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Originally Posted by Brent Madden View Post

HTCrazy,

I know what you mean about the sound. I'm coming from a BDP-83 which I always thought sounded fantastic(and that's because it actually did), but I noticed an immediate difference after hooking up the 103D. The Avengers is one of my main "go to" discs for video and audio testing and within the first couple of minutes of watching it the audio quality had me smiling from ear to ear. cool.gif

Yeah the Avengers has a great 7.1 sound track. Was watching the latest Bourne movie (whatever it's called) last night and also had a great soundtrack. I have no doubt the 103D sounds better - I just couldn't tell you why..
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Originally Posted by kemiza View Post

Why would bitstream sound different between players?

Why wouldn't it? Are you saying all digital audio sounds identical between any equipment because it's all ones and zeroes? If that were the case audio coming from the OPPOs would sound no different than from a $69 Vizeo Blu Ray player. I think we all know that's not the case.

Who knows, maybe OPPO updated / fine tuned some audio settings between the 103 and 103D? I just knows what I hears..
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Originally Posted by HTCrazy View Post

Yeah the Avengers has a great 7.1 sound track. Was watching the latest Bourne movie (whatever it's called) last night and also had a great soundtrack. I have no doubt the 103D sounds better - I just couldn't tell you why..

Yeah, I heard Bourne Legacy has a great soundtrack, but I watched it on HBO and decided it wasn't a film I liked enough to add to my Blu-ray collection. I'm anxious to try out Pacific Rim on the 103D next. cool.gif
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When you bitstream the player is a transport right?
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Yes, indeed...to each his own. Honestly, I am not that enamored by the look of film on 4K sets. Yes, pretty stills and skylines, etc. But an upconverted blu-ray just doesn't cut it for me. As LCDs don't either. So I guess it is just me.
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Originally Posted by HTCrazy View Post

Why wouldn't it? Are you saying all digital audio sounds identical between any equipment because it's all ones and zeroes? If that were the case audio coming from the OPPOs would sound no different than from a $69 Vizeo Blu Ray player. I think we all know that's not the case.

Who knows, maybe OPPO updated / fine tuned some audio settings between the 103 and 103D? I just knows what I hears..
In the case of bitstreams, it is basically all zeroes and ones - you're basically sending the equivalent of a zip file from the player to the AVR. The AVR then decodes the bitstream and converts it to LPCM. If the 2 players are sending different sets of data when bitstreaming from the same disc, then the AVR is going to have major issues trying to decode one or the other because the data is bad, just like what happens if you get a corrupt zip file on your PC. The 103 and 103D have IDENTICAL audio processing. The only difference is in the video processing available on HDMI1 between the 2 players. Similarly, the 103 and 105 have identical video processing - there's absolutely no reason to believe that one is better than the other in that regard.
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The same argument caused pages of flame wars when CD players replaced cassettes. Believing the ones and zeros theory I bought the cheapest CD player I could find. Years later I was thrilled when I could afford a $5k Cary audio CD player. It was worth every penny in terms of improving the audio quality of the ones and zeros.

I was even more shocked when I tried various digital cables at the audible difference they made. Never would have believed it.
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Originally Posted by Chere View Post

Asked this in the 103 forum but am posting it here as well as I believe there are a lot of owners here who currently/ previously owned the 103:


'First time Oppo owner. 'Just recently bought the 103D for OTA video processing and am having a heck of a time dealing with lag when I'm scrolling channels up and down using my Tivo remote. Is this something 103 owners are also seeing? I can always bring up the tivo guide and go from there but I don't think this is something I have to compromise for.

Oppo 103D-> Tivo OTA Roamio-> Panasonic 65ST50'


This is on top of he fact that I'm still seeing colored static that invades my screen every so often on HDMI IN located in the back. I also used to lose my connection all the time which required a reboot to regain it on the same input. I've been able to work around this issue by using HDMI IN located up front until the upcoming firmware update fixes it and haven't seen these problems replicated so far.

That leaves the lag/ handshake delay between the 103D and my Tivo. How can I minimize or even better eliminate it completely?



Anyone?
post #796 of 3681
First - Have you contacted Oppo about both issues?

Second - have you switched cables trying to solve either the static/connection issue in back or the handshake delay issue?

I'm pretty sure from reading various threads that OPPO is aware of the TIVO issues.

Not that it helps your situation but I encountered no handshake or delay issues with my Comcast DVR and remote when routing the output through the 103D.
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I read earlier in the thread that there were fewer handshake issues when you connect to the front HDMI port on the 103.
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Im not getting DTS 103D/AVR-X4000 any settings I need to change from default ?
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Originally Posted by a1usedcomp View Post

Im not getting DTS 103D/AVR-X4000 any settings I need to change from default ?

Not getting in what way? No sound, or the indicator light not on?

Other audio ok?

What happens when you switch between LPCM and Bitstream?

-Bill
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Originally Posted by wmcclain View Post

Not getting in what way? No sound, or the indicator light not on?

Other audio ok?

What happens when you switch between LPCM and Bitstream?

-Bill


Not displaying DTS Hobbit cover says DTS Master
post #801 of 3681
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Originally Posted by a1usedcomp View Post

Not displaying DTS Hobbit cover says DTS Master

And the other diagnostics in my previous message?

If you have the player set to LPCM you would not expect the DTS light on the receiver.

-Bill
post #802 of 3681
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Originally Posted by wmcclain View Post

And the other diagnostics in my previous message?

If you have the player set to LPCM you would not expect the DTS light on the receiver.

-Bill


I have it on Bitstream
post #803 of 3681
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Originally Posted by a1usedcomp View Post

I have it on Bitstream

Look at the OPPO onscreen display. The main page should show details of the audio track you have selected. Verify it says DTS.

PAGE DOWN will bring up the second page, which will show what HDMI is transmitting. What does it say?

-Bill
post #804 of 3681
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Originally Posted by wmcclain View Post

Look at the OPPO onscreen display. The main page should show details of the audio track you have selected. Verify it says DTS.

PAGE DOWN will bring up the second page, which will show what HDMI is transmitting. What does it say?

-Bill

Dolby Digital 5.1
post #805 of 3681
Sounds to me like the MasterHD track is not selected.
post #806 of 3681
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Originally Posted by HTCrazy View Post

The same argument caused pages of flame wars when CD players replaced cassettes. Believing the ones and zeros theory I bought the cheapest CD player I could find. Years later I was thrilled when I could afford a $5k Cary audio CD player. It was worth every penny in terms of improving the audio quality of the ones and zeros.

I was even more shocked when I tried various digital cables at the audible difference they made. Never would have believed it.

Not to derail the thread, but you should probably distinguish between the transfer of digital data (0s and 1s), and the conversion of that digital data into analog data. If you were using the analog output of your "cheapest CD player I could find" compared to the analog output of a "$5k Cary audio CD player", then hopefully there was a difference.

But if you're talking about the transfer of digital data (i.e. you were using a digital connection between the CD player and your receiver or other D/A converter), and you're hearing a difference, then we're venturing out of the realm of science and into religion.

I've had many people try and explain all the different ways it might be theoretically possible for a digital cable to influence the "sound" of a bitstream, but there's always one critical factor that they fail to take into account: the buffering done on the receiving end. If the bits are buffered, pooled and re-clocked by the D/A converter, then there isn't anything the cable needs to do other than get them there without corrupting them. It's like plugging in a USB hard drive to your computer. As long as the USB cable can get the bits transferred properly, you're good to go.
post #807 of 3681
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Originally Posted by a1usedcomp View Post

Dolby Digital 5.1

Come on. We're trying to help, could you cooperate?

Is that what's on the disc or what's being sent out by the player? First OSD screen or second? When you use the AUDIO bottom, what audio track appears on in the popup: what exactly does it say?

-Bill
post #808 of 3681
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Originally Posted by Chere View Post

Asked this in the 103 forum but am posting it here as well as I believe there are a lot of owners here who currently/ previously owned the 103:


'First time Oppo owner. 'Just recently bought the 103D for OTA video processing and am having a heck of a time dealing with lag when I'm scrolling channels up and down using my Tivo remote. Is this something 103 owners are also seeing? I can always bring up the tivo guide and go from there but I don't think this is something I have to compromise for.

Oppo 103D-> Tivo OTA Roamio-> Panasonic 65ST50'


This is on top of he fact that I'm still seeing colored static that invades my screen every so often on HDMI IN located in the back. I also used to lose my connection all the time which required a reboot to regain it on the same input. I've been able to work around this issue by using HDMI IN located up front until the upcoming firmware update fixes it and haven't seen these problems replicated so far.

That leaves the lag/ handshake delay between the 103D and my Tivo. How can I minimize or even better eliminate it completely?



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Originally Posted by ClarkeBar View Post

First - Have you contacted Oppo about both issues?

I just thought that it would be much easier getting a response here as a lot of owners use their tivos and cable boxes with the Oppo to letting it do the video processing so i thought I'd ask them first. Calling Oppo is next on my to do list.

Second - have you switched cables trying to solve either the static/connection issue in back or the handshake delay issue?

I have tried using various HDMI high speed cables. Using the HDMI Input in the front has eliminated the colored static that I was seeing before as well as the connection I was losing all the time when I was using the HDMI Input in the back. I'm confident that Oppo will address this in a future firmware fix but that leaves the lag/ handshake delay that I'm still seeing on both inputs. This brings me to the fruit of the matter and whether this is normal or otherwise.

I'm pretty sure from reading various threads that OPPO is aware of the TIVO issues.

So is this just a tivo issue and not other STBs?

Not that it helps your situation but I encountered no handshake or delay issues with my Comcast DVR and remote when routing the output through the 103D.

This is really good news. I'll admit that I have a bad habit of constantly surfing channels all the time which is why this is really bugging me. Every time I flip channels up and down using my Tivo's remote it takes a couple of seconds for it to catch up to show me a picture or what channel I'm on before I can keep going. This never happened before I added the 103D to the mix.




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post #809 of 3681
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Originally Posted by Cinepro View Post

Not to derail the thread, but you should probably distinguish between the transfer of digital data (0s and 1s), and the conversion of that digital data into analog data. If you were using the analog output of your "cheapest CD player I could find" compared to the analog output of a "$5k Cary audio CD player", then hopefully there was a difference.

But if you're talking about the transfer of digital data (i.e. you were using a digital connection between the CD player and your receiver or other D/A converter), and you're hearing a difference, then we're venturing out of the realm of science and into religion.

I've had many people try and explain all the different ways it might be theoretically possible for a digital cable to influence the "sound" of a bitstream, but there's always one critical factor that they fail to take into account: the buffering done on the receiving end. If the bits are buffered, pooled and re-clocked by the D/A converter, then there isn't anything the cable needs to do other than get them there without corrupting them. It's like plugging in a USB hard drive to your computer. As long as the USB cable can get the bits transferred properly, you're good to go.

I have been using my hard disk to store and listen to songs on my laptop. One day I introduced a basic 4 USB hub in between the laptop and the hard drive. The quality and quantity of sound immediately got affected. It was the same 1s and 0s here too!
post #810 of 3681
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Originally Posted by wmcclain View Post

Come on. We're trying to help, could you cooperate?

Is that what's on the disc or what's being sent out by the player? First OSD screen or second? When you use the AUDIO bottom, what audio track appears on in the popup: what exactly does it say?

-Bill

Had look at the Hobbit bd Bill ; he needs to select the lossless track to save some time smile.gif All the lossy tracks are foreign if it's a US sourced disc .
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English: DTS-HD Master Audio 7.1 (48kHz, 24-bit)
French: Dolby Digital 5.1
Spanish: Dolby Digital 5.1
Portuguese: Dolby Digital 5.1
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