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post #871 of 3647
I have Dishnetwork HD receiver connected to 103D working fine until today suddenly i hear popping sound from tv speaker while changing fro SD to HD channel only
If i am surfing SD channel no such sound but while jumping from SD channel to HD channel i hear popping sound...(Handshaking issue???)
post #872 of 3647
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Originally Posted by dhobi View Post

I have Dishnetwork HD receiver connected to 103D working fine until today suddenly i hear popping sound from tv speaker while changing fro SD to HD channel only
If i am surfing SD channel no such sound but while jumping from SD channel to HD channel i hear popping sound...(Handshaking issue???)

Hard to say, but its also switching from PCM output (SD) to DD (HD), so that's probably the cause. Do you have the DVR set to output only PCM?
post #873 of 3647
everything was working fine until today (no DVR) i just run blue-ray disc and look this happening...
need to power cycle oppo and let see..

just power cycle and working fine (oppo said they will fix in future updates)
Edited by dhobi - 10/31/13 at 11:58am
post #874 of 3647
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Originally Posted by Cinepro View Post

If the bits are buffered, pooled and re-clocked by the D/A converter, then there isn't anything the cable needs to do other than get them there without corrupting them.

How common is it for DAC's to do reclocking?
post #875 of 3647
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Originally Posted by wse View Post

Can the OPPO DBP-103D be used as a pre/pro or is it only the 105?
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Originally Posted by NAIM101 View Post

Yes they can. They are using Cirrus Logic DAC instead of the Sabre 32 like the OPPO 105.

Is the volume control done in the analog or digital domain - if I get the Vanity board will I have volume control or not?
post #876 of 3647
Well, I spent the evening with a friend of mine who purchased the 103D & my fears concerning Darbee was confirmed. With Darbee enabled, the picture looks "processed" to me, from passable at lower setting to horrific at higher ones. Long story short, I'll quite happy with my plain old 103.
post #877 of 3647
Oppo says no, volume control is analog.
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Originally Posted by noah katz View Post


Is the volume control done in the analog or digital domain - if I get the Vanity board will I have volume control or not?
post #878 of 3647
Any way to get the serial #, other than the back of the player?
post #879 of 3647
^ There's also a label on the shipping box.
--Bob
post #880 of 3647
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

^ There's also a label on the shipping box.
--Bob

A ha! Off to the attic I go.
post #881 of 3647

Oh no...What you have described is really just a "blind" test; or a single blind test; much easier to set up and conduct but-alas!- also thought to be less accurate. Why?  Because by definition [and for convenience] the tester would be permitted to know -for example-which of two speakers he was  comparing [or amps. or any component] was which. In other words, as long as he had  carefully matched all the associated equipment to each component being compared and neither was being penalized , the test would be considered valid.  [If all we  needed was a "blind test"]    For example, in the speaker comparison test, [ "A-B listening comparison"]  as long as he  had carefully matched the volume of the 2 speakers and was   using the same high quality amp and pre-amp and had positioned each  speaker in the manner recommended  by their respective  manufacturers and was  playing the same well recorded sound and the listener didn't know which he was hearing at any particular time--just back-click-and forth-click  well, that procedure would produce an accurate listening evaluation....But in reality, the listening evaluation just described is  NOT valid at all. Why?  Because  it was not "double blind".  The tester knew which speaker was being played at any particular time.  So what?  Well,if he preferred one speaker over the other he might influence the listener through facial expressions, body language, etc. In a direct " A-B comparison" neither the test conductor nor the listener [viewer?] can know. And unfortunately ,that is difficult, time consuming; [ie expensive] and seldom done.

post #882 of 3647

Not sure if this has been posted here before. Just in case it hasn't....

 

http://hstrial-jrodriguez996.homestead.com/OPPO-BDP-103D-Darbee-Edition-Blu-ray-3D-Review.html?_=1382407813601

post #883 of 3647
Quick question I just upgraded from a Oppo 83SE to the 103D. My question is when streaming netflix the darbee overlay is not present when activated. Other than setting up in the setup menu how is one to know that it is working/on?
post #884 of 3647
^ You can confirm that it is working by activating either of the two Demo Modes for Darbee before launching the Netflix app.

Set a high percentage value to make it easier to spot. Then once you are convinced it's working (which it really is) exit Netflix, set a more normal percentage level and relaunch Netflix.

As usual, the Netflix app seizes control of the entire user interface, which is why the pop-up can't be accessed. But the pre-selected Darbee values really are in effect, just as with the other Picture Adjustment settings -- presuming you are using HDMI 1 output for video, and not using Source Direct.
--Bob
post #885 of 3647
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

^ You can confirm that it is working by activating either of the two Demo Modes for Darbee before launching the Netflix app.

Set a high percentage value to make it easier to spot. Then once you are convinced it's working (which it really is) exit Netflix, set a more normal percentage level and relaunch Netflix.

--Bob

This is what I did. Paused a scene then when full 120 and flipped between that, 35 and off. Loving it so far. Looking forward to seeing the reactions of my family when I host a movie day. I just watched Monsters University in 3D and it looked fantastic.
post #886 of 3647
Got it, thanks for the reply Bob!
post #887 of 3647
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Originally Posted by wmcclain View Post

To my eye: yes.

But this is pretty subjective. If you are seriously interested you should get your test materials together and try it under OPPO's 30-day return. All you would be out would be the time, effort and shipping.

-Bill

Hi Bill,

A couple of times you have mentioned feeling the 103D is closer to the look of the old 983/BDP-83 in upscaling DVDs.

I understand this is subjective, but as someone who always preferred the handling of DVDs on those older players, I'm curious, are you saying, to your eyes, there's a difference between the 103 from HDMI 2 and the 103D with the Darbee
off in how it handles DVDs? While it would seem they should be exactly the same (same chip set handling those
duties, etc) I would guess it's possible Oppo tweaked the implementation slightly.

Just curious as to your thoughts - again, understanding it's subjective.
Edited by Sidetracked - 11/1/13 at 7:00am
post #888 of 3647
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Originally Posted by Sidetracked View Post

Hi Bill,

A couple of times you have mentioned feeling the 103D is closer to the look of the old 983/BDP-83 in upscaling DVDs.

I understand this is subjective, but as someone who always preferred the handling of DVDs on those older players, I'm curious, are you saying, to your eyes, there's a difference between the 103 from HDMI 2 and the 103D with the Darbee
off in how it handles DVDs? While it would seem they should be exactly the same (same chip set handling those
duties, etc) I would guess it's possible Oppo tweaked the implementation slightly.

Just curious as to your thoughts - again, understanding it's subjective.

I will have to revisit it again. Perception changes as you have more experience with a display chain. HDMI1 looks different on the two players, but I will have to look at BDP-103 HDMI2 vs BDP-103D HDMI1 with Darbee off and HDMI2.

Originally I would have said "yes they are different" but I then realized I had neglected to adjust some of the little-used video controls deep in my display menus; I was using certain inputs for the first time. This was probably the cause of the differences, but I was tired of A/B comparisons by then.

-Bill
post #889 of 3647
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Originally Posted by wmcclain View Post

I will have to revisit it again. Perception changes as you have more experience with a display chain. HDMI1 looks different on the two players, but I will have to look at BDP-103 HDMI2 vs BDP-103D HDMI1 with Darbee off and HDMI2.

Originally I would have said "yes they are different" but I then realized I had neglected to adjust some of the little-used video controls deep in my display menus; I was using certain inputs for the first time. This was probably the cause of the differences, but I was tired of A/B comparisons by then.

-Bill

Thank you for the clarification!
post #890 of 3647
Im coming from a 103 and a darbee. Should I go ahead and buy the 103d or is there too many bugs in it? What other player has 2 HDMI OUTS?
post #891 of 3647
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Originally Posted by kutlow View Post

Im coming from a 103 and a darbee. Should I go ahead and buy the 103d or is there too many bugs in it?

How are we supposed to decide that for you?

Video will be the same.
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What other player has 2 HDMI OUTS?

Wrong thread for that.

-Bill
post #892 of 3647
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Originally Posted by Sidetracked View Post

are you saying, to your eyes, there's a difference between the 103 from HDMI 2 and the 103D with the Darbee
off in how it handles DVDs? .

My eyes do not see any difference between HDMI-2 on the 103 and either HDMI output on the 103D (sans processing). Certainly not enough to justify a purchase based on those criteria.
post #893 of 3647
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Originally Posted by wmcclain View Post

How are we supposed to decide that for you?

Video will be the same.
Wrong thread for that.

-Bill
wrong thread? You cant help a man out. Ive owned every oppo that's been out but this is not the holy grail thread is it?

Now can anyone else tell me which other player has 2 hdmi outs please?
post #894 of 3647
There are several, and there is a thread established here for just that question.
post #895 of 3647
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Originally Posted by rambotan View Post

Not sure if this has been posted here before. Just in case it hasn't....

http://hstrial-jrodriguez996.homestead.com/OPPO-BDP-103D-Darbee-Edition-Blu-ray-3D-Review.html?_=1382407813601
I posted a link to the same review a few days ago here.
post #896 of 3647
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Originally Posted by kutlow View Post

wrong thread? You cant help a man out. Ive owned every oppo that's been out but this is not the holy grail thread is it?

Now can anyone else tell me which other player has 2 hdmi outs please?

Sony's S790 player has two HDMI outputs.

I had the Oppo 103 and how have the 103D on a trial basis. I think the standard implementation of the Silicon Image VRS chip is good enough that the Darbee processing is not needed. The Darbee alone and in combination of the VRS processing can produce a lot of detail. The drawback to the production of a lot of detail is that the image in some scenes look over processed. Close up of faces look amazing, but then other scenes look too processed.

I personally have found that I like edge enhancement. The VRS can produce a detailed picture via edge enhancement without noise artifacts. While I have only had the Darbee 103D for a short period of time, I find that the change from the Marvell chip to the VRS solution to be a positive change. In other words, I think the 103 is a good player with the Marvell solution, but a better player with the VRS solution. Of course, my observations are subjective. I find the regular 103's picture to be too soft for my liking and that introducing edge enhancement to the levels I like produce too much noise and altered contrast too much.

Perhaps with more time with the 103D, I can tweak it too where I like it without looking overprocessed. The problem I have is that I also own a 105. I think the 105 does a better job of upscaling DVDs than either the 103 or 103D. I also think the video is better than the 103 or 103D. 99.9% of people will tell you the video of the 103 and 105 are identical. Having both, I can tell you that the 105 produces a better picture. By better picture, I mean a sharper picture and better DVD upscaling. Some people criticize the quest for a sharp image, but the way I look at, the quest for sharpness is similar to going from VHS to DVD to Bluray to UHD. Each format brings the video into sharper focus.
post #897 of 3647
Does the darbee effect work on 2D tvs? the reason I ask is I knew nothing about this until today and it says it uses "stereoscopic" technicques, which I wonder if it means something a 3D tv is needed for, or just some similar effect to what one would do.

I wish I knew whether to get the plain 103 or the D version, but I'm sure nobody on here will be able to help me figure out which to get. I usually would want a realistic picture, but maybe some SD material would benefit from the effect?

edit: If I understand a video I just watched, it does not sue actual 3D, but something to make it look more 3D..... so I assume the answer to my first question is yes. I can't decide if it's worth getting. I have a kuro elite, so things already look quite 3D as it is. I am assuming I would just use this for rare occasions where I wanted a cool effect. So worth r not worth $100, I don't know.
Edited by somelogin - 11/1/13 at 2:39pm
post #898 of 3647
2D tv's?
post #899 of 3647
As in, I assume I don't need a 3D-capable tv for darby to work.
post #900 of 3647
No you don't.
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