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post #991 of 3665
I was wondering this, that is if I send the hd cable box into the oppo then out to the tv I can use the Darby mode on the oppo to affect the cable/tv picture? I just want to re verify this as it would be one of the main selling points.
post #992 of 3665
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Originally Posted by brinyhenry View Post

Not a biggie if I have to use the 103D's cord. Just an extra 5 minutes of installation.
It's a good investment of your time. smile.gif
post #993 of 3665
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Originally Posted by symphx View Post

I was wondering this, that is if I send the hd cable box into the oppo then out to the tv I can use the Darby mode on the oppo to affect the cable/tv picture? I just want to re verify this as it would be one of the main selling points.
Yes.
--Bob
post #994 of 3665
and if I dont have the oppo on, will it pass through normal hd tv or would I need oppo on to get the tv signal? thanks again.
post #995 of 3665
Oppo must be on to pass the signal.
post #996 of 3665
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Originally Posted by gadgtfreek View Post

Got my Roku stick in and messed around with it. First impression is I like it.

Of course it can look goofy sticking out of the front, but I only intend on plugging it in when I use it. . . . .

A number of people have used one of the right angle adapters from Monoprice (an AVS Forum sponsor). One flavor leaves the ROKU Streaming Stick pointing straight up. Another flavor extends it parallel to the face plate to the right of the socket.
--Bob
post #997 of 3665
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Originally Posted by Chere View Post

Actually the reason I purchased the 103D primarily was for its de-interlacing, scaling and overall video processing capabilities of tv content. My Panasonic 65ST50 is crappy in all these aspects and I've found the 103D to be the solution. I'm just surprised that 1080i and 720p options do a slightly better job than 1080p but the difference is small. PQ is sharper and detail resolution much better. Again this is only to my eyes and maybe others might feel otherwise so please feel free to chime in.


It was mentioned a couple of pages back that "Source Direct'' was broken on the European version of the 103D but I'm not sure if this applies to our version as well. If that's the case it'll probably be fixed with a future firmware update but I wouldn't mess with it all in the mean time.

Wise to hang back and just match the resolution manually then in that case until any source direct issue is sorted . Its happened in the past that a firmware upgrade has occurred and people have mentioned better ''upconversion '' performance so you never know ;its early days for the new combo now the qdeo has gone wink.gif
post #998 of 3665
^^^^ I think you misunderstood what I was trying to say. I was just volunteering info as to the fact that ''Source direct'' might be broken. You can't upconvert using Source Direct as it only outputs directly whatever you have on your set or cable cox. What Iam saying is that I'm seeing a slightly better PQ when I choose 1080i or 720p to match the native content that my tivo is feeding the Oppo instead of choosing 1080p. This actually caught me by surprise as I was expecting the 1080p output resolution of the Oppo to provide me with the best PQ and not the other way around. It's a pain that I have to manually keep switching between 1080i and 720p but it's worth it in my opinion.

Anyone know why the Oppo's ''Auto'' doesn't just automatically detect my tivo's resolution and upconvert it every time without changing the resolution?
post #999 of 3665
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Originally Posted by Chere View Post

Anyone know why the Oppo's ''Auto'' doesn't just automatically detect my tivo's resolution and upconvert it every time without changing the resolution?

AUTO output resolution? That doesn't look at input; it asks the downstream devices what they want. Use a specific output resolution or Source Direct instead.

Is Source Direct not doing what you want? It is changing the input resolution to some other output? That should be necessary only if the input is some unusual combination of resolution and frame rate.

-Bill-
post #1000 of 3665
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Originally Posted by SteveCaron View Post

It seemed this was discussed a couple of weeks back but wanted to check in to see if anybody has confirmed if the external Region Free Mod kit (the one from JVB in particular) for the 103 is working on the 103d? Having issues with the recent firmware and 3D blu-ray video playback on the 93 and looking for an excuse to upgrade to the 103D but the Region Free aspect is the only thing standing in my way. wink.gif

I will have an answer on this for the internal/external mod from JVB/Only Best Rated by the end of the week.

I pulled the trigger on the 103D not really knowing for sure (I can't think of a single reason why it wouldn't work on this when it works on the BDP-103 and 93 but we'll see). I figure I can probably sell my 103 for a little more if it doesn't work, so it's a minimal risk to me just to just try it out.

Keep your fingers crossed!
post #1001 of 3665
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Originally Posted by wmcclain View Post

AUTO output resolution? That doesn't look at input; it asks the downstream devices what they want. Use a specific output resolution or Source Direct instead.

Is Source Direct not doing what you want? It is changing the input resolution to some other output? That should be necessary only if the input is some unusual combination of resolution and frame rate.

-Bill-


I guess I might be the one that might be mixed up. The main reason I got the 103D was to improve the PQ of OTA tv content.

I was under the assumption that ''Source Direct'' sends whatever resolution your cable box or set has and passes it along without doing anything to it. That is the VRS and Mediatek don't do anything in this scenario. No scaling, up-converting or Video processing involved. Am I mistaken?

1080i and 720p options including ''Auto'' on the other hand do all those things. At least that's what I thought until now.
post #1002 of 3665
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Originally Posted by Chere View Post

I was under the assumption that ''Source Direct'' sends whatever resolution your cable box or set has and passes it along without doing anything to it.

Is that not working as you describe? I'm not using the digital inputs myself so I really don't know if there is a problem here.

-Bill
post #1003 of 3665
^^^^ Not to my eye and I haven't really played with it that much. I was just referencing to a European review of the 103D someone posted a couple of pages back where it wasn't working correctly for their version. Nothing conclusive yet either way for the U.S version. I really couldn't care less for it either way as it serves no purpose in my setup.

I'm more intrigued with what's going on with the 1080i and 720p output resolutions. I see slightly better overall PQ with those two instead of 1080p and I'm not sure why. Maybe someone can volunteer an opinion as to why this is.
post #1004 of 3665
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Originally Posted by Chere View Post

^^^^ Not to my eye and I haven't really played with it that much. I was just referencing to a European review of the 103D someone posted a couple of pages back where it wasn't working correctly for their version. Nothing conclusive yet either way for the U.S version. I really couldn't care less for it either way as it serves no purpose in my setup.

I'm more intrigued with what's going on with the 1080i and 720p output resolutions. I see slightly better overall PQ with those two instead of 1080p and I'm not sure why. Maybe someone can volunteer an opinion as to why this is.

Oh. I wish we would discuss our own results rather than some reviewers.

Source Direct is working if the output resolution and frame rate are the same as the input. You can check that using the player On Screen Display. Use PAGE DOWN to see the outputs. Verify by checking what the display is receiving.

Quality issues would be a different problem.

So you are saying Source Direct is giving you better results for 720p and 1080i on the digital inputs than 1080p? That's a bit mysterious but not a big problem, right?

-Bill
post #1005 of 3665
I don't understand why, if you are using source direct, would you even run the signal through the Oppo? The point for me is to send 720p60/1080i60 into it so it outputs 1080p/60 for the display.
post #1006 of 3665
^^^^ Not Source Direct. In order to understand what I'm saying forget "Source direct" for a moment.

Say that I'm watching ABC's Modern Family. Here in Phoenix, AZ- ABC and that show transmit in 720p. I have my Tivo Roamio in Native Output mode which is connected to my 103D. On my 103D I can upconvert this show in 1080p or 720p. What I'm trying to say is that the 720p output resolution of the 103d shows slightly better PQ compared to the 1080p. Same thing if I match a 1080i native tivo channel with the 1080i output resolution of the 103D instead of the 103D's 1080p.

Hope this makes sense now. I'm trying to understand why that is. Maybe it's because upconverting to 1080p involves more processing thereby losing slightly less detail because of it?
post #1007 of 3665
Im not sure, unless something else in your chain does a better job. Sending native into my Oppo from my DVR, and outputting 1080p/60 to my VT50 looks great.
post #1008 of 3665
I sold my 103 and darbee in the mindset of buying this new 103d. Now I am thinking of buying the new sony s790. I only watch Bluray 3D and Bluray2D. Will I give up any picture quality or other Bluray features for my needs? I plan on buying the next generation OPPO when I switch to a 4K PJ . Thanks in advance.
post #1009 of 3665
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Originally Posted by warrian View Post

I will have an answer on this for the internal/external mod from JVB/Only Best Rated by the end of the week.

I pulled the trigger on the 103D not really knowing for sure (I can't think of a single reason why it wouldn't work on this when it works on the BDP-103 and 93 but we'll see). I figure I can probably sell my 103 for a little more if it doesn't work, so it's a minimal risk to me just to just try it out.

Keep your fingers crossed!

I did get a response from JVB regarding my question about the external 103 Region Mod being compatible with the 103D and below was their response.


"Our 103 external/internal kit will work both external and internal on the 103D.
for internal use the connections are different compared to the 103 but
the new installation manual for use with the 103D comes with the kit."
post #1010 of 3665
I should also mention that I asked them about my existing mod kit for the 93 working on the 103D and they told me they wouldn't suggest it due to the slightly different internal software of the 103D.
post #1011 of 3665
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Originally Posted by kutlow View Post

I sold my 103 and darbee in the mindset of buying this new 103d. Now I am thinking of buying the new sony s790. I only watch Bluray 3D and Bluray2D. Will I give up any picture quality or other Bluray features for my needs? I plan on buying the next generation OPPO when I switch to a 4K PJ . Thanks in advance.

http://www.avsforum.com/t/959985/official-help-me-choose-a-player-thread-cant-decide-start-here
post #1012 of 3665
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Originally Posted by SteveCaron View Post

I did get a response from JVB regarding my question about the external 103 Region Mod being compatible with the 103D and below was their response.


"Our 103 external/internal kit will work both external and internal on the 103D.
for internal use the connections are different compared to the 103 but
the new installation manual for use with the 103D comes with the kit."

At long last, a definitive answer! Now if we could only get the other mod kit makers to be so forthcoming…… biggrin.gif

Thanks for posting this.
--Bob
post #1013 of 3665
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Originally Posted by Chere View Post

^^^^ Not Source Direct. In order to understand what I'm saying forget "Source direct" for a moment.

Say that I'm watching ABC's Modern Family. Here in Phoenix, AZ- ABC and that show transmit in 720p. I have my Tivo Roamio in Native Output mode which is connected to my 103D. On my 103D I can upconvert this show in 1080p or 720p. What I'm trying to say is that the 720p output resolution of the 103d shows slightly better PQ compared to the 1080p. Same thing if I match a 1080i native tivo channel with the 1080i output resolution of the 103D instead of the 103D's 1080p.

Hope this makes sense now. I'm trying to understand why that is. Maybe it's because upconverting to 1080p involves more processing thereby losing slightly less detail because of it?

This is almost certainly a setup error in your TV.

Some TVs use alternate settings when fed 1080p instead of 1080i or 720p. (Some TVs also have bugs that alter the display for no good reason for 1080p/24 input vs. 1080p/60 input -- so if set to do 1080p/24 correctly, and with 1080p/60 now being fed (given the Tivo source), the settings may be wrong.)

To check this, use a calibration disc (e.g. Spears & Munsil v2, Blu-ray) in the OPPO and compare with the OPPO set to explicit 1080i output resolution vs. 1080p. You can also check 1080p/24 vs. 1080p/60 (Video Setup > 1080p/24 Output > AUTO vs. OFF).

You could also check with the OPPO set to explicit 720p output resolution, but you'll likely get confused by the loss of resolution inherent in down-scaling the 1080p charts to 720p for output. DVE HD Basics, Blu-ray, has a set of 720p charts if you want to double check 720p content output as either 720p or 1080p from the OPPO.

In all cases the Picture Adjustment controls in the 103D should be left at their Factory Default (0) values -- in particular, leave Darbee OFF while checking such stuff. Any adjustments needed should be made using the controls in your TV.



When viewing the TIVO through the OPPO, first of all, set the TIVO to output YCbCr 4:4:4. NOT YCbCr 4:2:2 or RGB.

Next use the Info button on the OPPO to verify what is coming in from the TIVO (top line) and what the OPPO is sending out on its HDMI outputs. Double check that what's happening is what you think is happening.
--Bob
post #1014 of 3665
^^^^^ This is my set up:

Oppo 103D-> OTA Tivo Roamio-> Panasonic 65ST50 (ISF calibrated by D-Nice)

From my Tivo DVR I have the following native video outputs selected: 480i, 480p, 720p, 1080i and 1080p (60fps). I have one other option which is 1080p (pass- thru only) but I don't have it selected (Should I?). The tivo is outputting YCbCr 4:4:4 as that is the info I see on the top right hand corner when I click the info button on the Oppo's remote.

I have my Oppo's 1080p 24 output set to Auto and the HDMI color space set to YCbCr 4:4:4


Again, I'm only seeing a slightly better PQ when I choose the matching 1080i and 720p option from the Oppo instead of 1080p. Not a big difference but a very minor one. Who knows maybe it's just my eyes and nothing more than that. Either way I'm loving my 103D more and more every day smile.gif
post #1015 of 3665
Just finished watching Kon-Tiki on Netflix and I was mightily impressed with what darbee can do with streaming. Usually the picture is very soft but with darbee it really sharpened it up, and not in a noisy full of artifacts kind of way just a very detailed picture! Btw I used full pop at 50%.
post #1016 of 3665
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

At long last, a definitive answer! Now if we could only get the other mod kit makers to be so forthcoming…… biggrin.gif

Thanks for posting this.
--Bob

good luck with that. I have to give credit to JVB. they do answer more often then the other company. that other company has not learned to be helpful since I ordered the mode for the oppo 83. I would suggest going with JVB.

Jacob
post #1017 of 3665
Is it just me but when analyzing those screencaps from the Audioholics review on Fifth Element Darbee processing is adding very dark patches/lines where there are softer shadows and this gives the impressing on more depth/3D? It is very clear in the shot where she jumps off the ledge. This is theory seems like a good way to crush shadow detail in darker areas but I guess that don't show since many professionals says the image isn't comprimised in a bad way.

Thinking of upgrading my 93 for the better dnla and darbee but a little worried about cinavia being there. Anyone had problems with .mkv or m2ts files?
post #1018 of 3665
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Originally Posted by Chere View Post

^^^^ I think you misunderstood what I was trying to say. I was just volunteering info as to the fact that ''Source direct'' might be broken. You can't upconvert using Source Direct as it only outputs directly whatever you have on your set or cable cox. What Iam saying is that I'm seeing a slightly better PQ when I choose 1080i or 720p to match the native content that my tivo is feeding the Oppo instead of choosing 1080p. This actually caught me by surprise as I was expecting the 1080p output resolution of the Oppo to provide me with the best PQ and not the other way around. It's a pain that I have to manually keep switching between 1080i and 720p but it's worth it in my opinion.

Not at all ;your comprehension was spot on ; Just making the point that source direct would give the same res as setting 1080i for a 1080i input and 720p/720p similarly wink.gif

As mentioned if you're not using the darbee and not scaling with the oppo you could well take the oppo out of the equation . What Bob said makes sense to me though oppo players de interlacing scaling are always acing hqv ; s&m tests Ide suspect the sink more than the source smile.gif
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I have one other option which is 1080p (pass- thru only) but I don't have it selected (Should I?)

You dont want to use a cheap scaler in a pvr before using the good stuff in the oppo [ as they say garbage in - :eek :] . Set everything for pass through if you can [ more familiar with aus pvr's I should say though cool.gif ] . It will just take a little longer for each channel to renegotiate its hdmi resolution ; that's the tradeoff
Edited by cwt - 11/6/13 at 2:32am
post #1019 of 3665
Hi everyone!

Quick question!

I consider buying an Oppo, but I don't know if the Oppo BDP-103D will be the best for my TV. I have a Panasonic VT60 55 inches. So should I go with the regulard Oppo BDP-103 or go with the Darbee Edition? Will my VT60 benefit from the Darbee tech or my screen is not large enough to see any difference?

rolleyes.gif

Thanks
Regards
post #1020 of 3665
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Originally Posted by wesslan1 View Post


Thinking of upgrading my 93 for the better dnla and darbee but a little worried about cinavia being there. Anyone had problems with .mkv or m2ts files?

We've had one contrary report, but in my own testing Cinavia is detected in MKV only when burned to optical disc. It is not detected on a USB device or over SMB or DLNA networking. I did not test M2TS on optical disc but it is not detected by the other means.

This can change at any time, of course. As the licensing authorities become aware of how people are circumventing the rules, those rules will be tightened.

-Bill
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