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JVC X55 and Gaming

post #1 of 32
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Hi There!

I am seriously considering one of these projectors to upgrade my 3 year old Mitsubishi HC6800.

The break down of my usage is about 50% gaming, 25% Movies, 25% TV/Sports

I have heard the input lag from the JVC's is pretty bad, but I think they are rated similarly to my HC6800 (Though for the life of me I can't find info on this) which has been perfect, I've never noticed a thing.

The Sony 50ES has been recommended to me also.

Anyone here doing gaming on these projectors? Games I play are things like Prototype, GTAV, Batman Arkham City and the likes. I don't often play FPS games as I prefer a keyboard and mouse for that.

I would appreciate any input.
post #2 of 32
It all depends on how much you can deal with. I have the Sony VW95, and one of the main reasons i got it over the RS65 JVC was the difference in lag. The JVC has around 70-90ms depending on the model (e-shift models have more), and the sony has 16ms. So it has around 7 times less lag. I'm an avid gamer as well.

That said, i'm getting a 4K projector from sony, and the older 4K model (VW1000) has around 40-50 ms, but that's a sacrifice i'm willing to make for 4 times the resolution. I guess it all comes down to where you want to compromise.

The VW95 is VERY sharp, has great motion, black levels that are better than the X55, and has that small amount of lag. Just doesn't keep up in blacks with the top 2 JVCs during the most challenging scenes. HW50 is similar, but worse black levels than the Sony VW95. Really, the ONLY projectors out there with better blacks than the HW50 and X55 are the VW95, followed by the 4K Sony VW1000 ($25,000), then the JVC top end models, but they have more lag.
post #3 of 32
I have a JVC x3 and this is one thing I should have researched before the purchase. While they great blacks you can not do online gaming at all. way to much input lag.
post #4 of 32
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Originally Posted by networkn View Post

Hi There!

I am seriously considering one of these projectors to upgrade my 3 year old Mitsubishi HC6800.

The break down of my usage is about 50% gaming, 25% Movies, 25% TV/Sports

I have heard the input lag from the JVC's is pretty bad, but I think they are rated similarly to my HC6800 (Though for the life of me I can't find info on this) which has been perfect, I've never noticed a thing.

The Sony 50ES has been recommended to me also.

Anyone here doing gaming on these projectors? Games I play are things like Prototype, GTAV, Batman Arkham City and the likes. I don't often play FPS games as I prefer a keyboard and mouse for that.

I would appreciate any input.

With a 50% gaming usage, the Sony is the one to get. I own an RS45 and owned the 40 before that and they are definitely a bit laggy for gaming. I probably would have bought the Sony last year if it would have worked in my setup, but it does not have enough throw for me. The JVCs IMO are great for one thing, movies. The Sony would be a better all around projector.
post #5 of 32
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Hi Guys.

Thanks for the replies. I found someone who will let me put my console on the JVC today so I will have a chance to check it out for myself. I am thinking however that even if I can't detect it in the short time I have with it, perhaps I should err on the safe side.

I am just gutted as I have wanted one of these for a long time.

Space2001. What games do you see lag in ?
post #6 of 32
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I have an additional question, the Sony, which isn't available in NZ yet so I can't demo it, does it do 4K or some form of E-Shift equivalent by chance?
post #7 of 32
definitely best to start by finding out what you're used to. i hadn't heard many complaints about input lag times on high end displays until just this year. i bought a new plasma and new projector this year, both with reportedly 'horrible' input lag. samsung f8500 as high as 120ms, and the jvc x35 is about 80ms i believe. i did notice the lag on the samsung, but not when playing games. i noticed it when moving the cursor around on my htpc. anyway, i knew it would still affect my gaming and set it to PC mode(which supposedly drops it to a more reasonable ~60ms) and i'm pretty sure that it's the same as my old plasma.

to me, the jvc and samsung are basically the same. i don't notice either, but i do wonder how much better i might be at some games with a faster display. for now, i'm going to maintain my ignorance is bliss situation because i'm a pretty casual gamer(i don't really care if i'm any good) and there's no way i'm giving up the image quality i get with the JVC for movies and tv shows.

with that much emphasis on gaming though, i'd really consider a dual projector set up. something like the benq 1070 for gaming since it's only got like 18ms of input lag and still offers a good enough picture quality for gaming. then drop down to the jvc x35 instead of the x55. in all honesty, i believe the only real benefit of e-shift is reducing the pixel structure. it's not adding any detail, it's still a 1080p image, it's just 'smoothing' out the pixel structure that is hardly noticeable in the first place unless you're sitting way instead recommended distances. i mean, for those who do, it's great, but i think most ppl sit at least 1x screen width and from that distance you can't see the pixel structure anyway
Edited by fierce_gt - 10/3/13 at 10:45am
post #8 of 32
I'm kind of in the same boat. Would like to upgrade to JVC but the gaming lag talk has me concerned. I've only had one opportunity to game on one. 4-player online co-op Borderlands 2 on Xbox 360 for a couple hours. I didn't notice any issues and latency never even occurred to me, so I assume that means it felt the same as gaming on my plasma as far as I noticed.
post #9 of 32
I think I mentioned this somewhere else, but I'll chime in here.

I have the JVC RS4810. I do a good amount of online multiplayer gaming for Uncharted 3. It's a third person shooter with lots of environment traversal, jumping, throwing back grenades, which has to be timed correctly, etc... It is definitely playable on the RS4810, but I think I tend to do a little worse due to the lag.

So if I'm just playing for fun and want to enjoy the big picture, the lag on the JVC isn't a deal killer. However, if I'm getting into more competitive games I'll want to switch over to my television.

For single player games I don't think it's an issue at all. And wow did The Last of Us look beautiful on the big screen!
post #10 of 32
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I think I have been completely on the wrong tangent here. I thought Input Lag caused Motion Blurring so during the demo all I did was look for that, which I am now thinking is a mistake.

Input lag is actually when you move the stick on your controller and there is a delay to what happens on the screen, it's not going to cause motion blurring right?

I don't do online gaming and if I did, it would be on the PC. If Single player is likely near 99% then I'd probably just take the chance but if during single player games I'll have trouble then yah it's a real problem.

I am wondering if any of you have actually used the Sony 50ES. I can buy it nigh $2500 NZD cheaper than the JVC. The reviews for it are really good, but I can't demo it here, it's intent ordered (2 weeks wait) for that model. I am concerned that a $2500 difference is huge and the compromise to the Sony (if there is indeed one) will
be significant and/or noticeable?

Sorry for my ramblings. I am happy to spend to buy the JVC, but if the sony was 95% the projector in 2D/3D and the Input lag was gone, AND it was cheaper, I'd probably grab the Sony.

I have a 106" screen and sit 3.8M from the screen. It's ceiling mounted.
post #11 of 32
Buy the Sony 50ES. It has great lag performance ( much better than the JVCs ) and the general consensus is that it is a great all around projector. With your breakdown of usage, this is an easy choice. smile.gif If you want more confirmation, check out Zombie10k's excellent comparison thread which will tell you all you need to know.
post #12 of 32
For what's worth, I play battlefield 3 every night on my X70 and don't notice enough for it to be a distraction. I previously owned a Sony VW95 (16 ms on gaming mode) and can't tell a difference (I'm sure that there is a measured difference, but I just couldn't see it).
post #13 of 32
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For what's worth, I play battlefield 3 every night on my X70 and don't notice enough for it to be a distraction. I previously owned a Sony VW95 (16 ms on gaming mode) and can't tell a difference (I'm sure that there is a measured difference, but I just couldn't see it).


I always felt the same way until I played SSX for a large number of hours on my RS45 and then started playing upstairs on my flat panel (when my projector went in for repair) which has a game mode/less lag and I could tell the difference. It took me being intimately familiar with a game before I could feel the difference, but it is definitely there. If I was gaming 50% of the time on my projector like the OP will do, there is no way I would own a JVC in light of the competition which has MUCH better lag performance. Love my JVCs for movies, but they are not serious game machines.
post #14 of 32
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Originally Posted by Toe View Post

Buy the Sony 50ES. It has great lag performance ( much better than the JVCs ) and the general consensus is that it is a great all around projector. With your breakdown of usage, this is an easy choice. smile.gif If you want more confirmation, check out Zombie10k's excellent comparison thread which will tell you all you need to know.

Do you have a link to this please?
post #15 of 32
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I always felt the same way until I played SSX for a large number of hours on my RS45 and then started playing upstairs on my flat panel (when my projector went in for repair) which has a game mode/less lag and I could tell the difference. It took me being intimately familiar with a game before I could feel the difference, but it is definitely there. If I was gaming 50% of the time on my projector like the OP will do, there is no way I would own a JVC in light of the competition which has MUCH better lag performance. Love my JVCs for movies, but they are not serious game machines.

If you never had the LCD to compare to though, would you have been happy?
post #16 of 32
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Originally Posted by networkn View Post

If you never had the LCD to compare to though, would you have been happy?

Sure, but once you know better and if you gamed 50% of the time, would you purposely buy a projector that was not nearly as good as a competing model in a significant area relative to gaming? smile.gif Ignorance is bliss with many things in this hobby, but once you know better, there is no going back. I always thought my RS1 looked great as well with its very oversaturated colors (which could NOT be tamed without an external video processor due to no onboard CMS), but once I got my RS40 (and now my calibrated RS45) which had a much more accurate mode, there is no way I could have gone back to the RS1. I always thought music sounded great before I got EQ and measuring capabilities for my sub at which point I realized what a huge peak I had and once tamed, the sound tightened up considerably. Going back to a bloated non eq'd preset on my SMS now for music is painful vs my nice flat response preset. I could go on, but you get the idea.
Edited by Toe - 10/3/13 at 3:31pm
post #17 of 32
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Do you have a link to this please?

Zombie thread here...........


http://www.avsforum.com/t/1434826/sony-hw50-benq-w7000-epson-5020-jvc-rs55-jvc-rs-46-jvc-rs4810-jvc-rs56-mini-shootout-2012-2013



Here is the 50ES owners thread as well if you have not checked it out.

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1432654/official-sony-vpl-hw50es-owners-thread
post #18 of 32
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Thanks for those links. My heart says buy the JVC, it's hard for me not to believe there is something significant in a $2000 price difference projector, but my head knows that if I experience input lag when I am gaming I am going to be upset with myself for spending past my budget and letting my heart win esp since with two new gaming consoles on order, the possibility is with newer games and more demanding requirements
that the JVC could end up a real problem for me.

I am pretty sure that the Sony is still going to blow my mind as I originally thought when I walked into the store to Audition the JVC, that the picture looked astounding, then they told me that was the Panasonic PT8000 smile.gif I would imagine the Sony walks over the Panasonic would that be a fair guess?

I would feel so much happier being able to see the Sony before buying it, having said that, I can buy it at Wholesale so if I HATE it, I can always sell it and look at something else.
post #19 of 32
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Originally Posted by networkn View Post

Thanks for those links. My heart says buy the JVC, it's hard for me not to believe there is something significant in a $2000 price difference projector, but my head knows that if I experience input lag when I am gaming I am going to be upset with myself for spending past my budget and letting my heart win esp since with two new gaming consoles on order, the possibility is with newer games and more demanding requirements
that the JVC could end up a real problem for me.

I am pretty sure that the Sony is still going to blow my mind as I originally thought when I walked into the store to Audition the JVC, that the picture looked astounding, then they told me that was the Panasonic PT8000 smile.gif I would imagine the Sony walks over the Panasonic would that be a fair guess?

I would feel so much happier being able to see the Sony before buying it, having said that, I can buy it at Wholesale so if I HATE it, I can always sell it and look at something else.


I cant personally say as I have not seen the Panny or the Sony, but from those whose opinion I have grown to respect VERY much over the years of which Zombie is one, it sounds like the Sony is clearly a better projector in general vs the Panasonic. Check out his comments about the Panasonic and Sony in his thread. I think the only significant advantage to the Panasonic would be lens memory which is not needed unless you have a CIH screen which I assume you don't (?).

There are advantages and disadvantages between the Sony vs JVC, but again, the Sony would without question be my choice in your position considering your requirements. The fact that you can get such a good deal on it only makes the decision that much easier IMO. wink.gif
post #20 of 32
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I think I have been completely on the wrong tangent here. I thought Input Lag caused Motion Blurring so during the demo all I did was look for that, which I am now thinking is a mistake.

Input lag is actually when you move the stick on your controller and there is a delay to what happens on the screen, it's not going to cause motion blurring right?

I don't do online gaming and if I did, it would be on the PC. If Single player is likely near 99% then I'd probably just take the chance but if during single player games I'll have trouble then yah it's a real problem.

I am wondering if any of you have actually used the Sony 50ES. I can buy it nigh $2500 NZD cheaper than the JVC. The reviews for it are really good, but I can't demo it here, it's intent ordered (2 weeks wait) for that model. I am concerned that a $2500 difference is huge and the compromise to the Sony (if there is indeed one) will
be significant and/or noticeable?

Sorry for my ramblings. I am happy to spend to buy the JVC, but if the sony was 95% the projector in 2D/3D and the Input lag was gone, AND it was cheaper, I'd probably grab the Sony.

I have a 106" screen and sit 3.8M from the screen. It's ceiling mounted.

No, input lag doesn't create motion blur. That's something dependent on the displays ability to produce motion properly. JVC would be your worst choice if motion handling is important to you. Go with the Sony for sure.
Edited by Seegs108 - 10/3/13 at 7:18pm
post #21 of 32
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Originally Posted by networkn View Post

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I am wondering if any of you have actually used the Sony 50ES. I can buy it nigh $2500 NZD cheaper than the JVC. The reviews for it are really good, but I can't demo it here, it's intent ordered (2 weeks wait) for that model. I am concerned that a $2500 difference is huge and the compromise to the Sony (if there is indeed one) will
be significant and/or noticeable?

Sorry for my ramblings. I am happy to spend to buy the JVC, but if the sony was 95% the projector in 2D/3D and the Input lag was gone, AND it was cheaper, I'd probably grab the Sony.

I have a 106" screen and sit 3.8M from the screen. It's ceiling mounted.

that's a big price difference. If gaming is 50%, the Sony makes the most sense. The Sony and JVC each have their own strengths, both have great PQ.
post #22 of 32
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that's a big price difference. If gaming is 50%, the Sony makes the most sense. The Sony and JVC each have their own strengths, both have great PQ.

Thanks for your reply. Sony it is then, I hope it's fantastic. Now I have ordered it, 2 week wait for it to arrive. Sadly no extra bulbs in the box in NZ/Australia, shame really.

Are Sony glasses the recommended ones for 3D with this projector?
Edited by networkn - 10/3/13 at 7:33pm
post #23 of 32
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/me gutted. 50ES is end of life being replaced by a 55ES but no eta. They have 2 white ones and no black ones. I ordered a white, but it's disappointing to say the least.
post #24 of 32
I would definitely say the 50ES is a better value than an x55 for your needs. if you were comparing the 50ES to an x35 it would be more of a debate(because the x35 should be even cheaper than the es50)

sony will give you good picture quality that probably wouldn't leave you disappointed unless you had a jvc in the same room for comparison. it will be better with motion, and it will have less input lag which will help with gaming for sure.

but be warned, it's still not a lag-free display. it certainly should be 'good enough', but if input lag is your biggest concern there's still better options
post #25 of 32
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I would definitely say the 50ES is a better value than an x55 for your needs. if you were comparing the 50ES to an x35 it would be more of a debate(because the x35 should be even cheaper than the es50)

sony will give you good picture quality that probably wouldn't leave you disappointed unless you had a jvc in the same room for comparison. it will be better with motion, and it will have less input lag which will help with gaming for sure.

but be warned, it's still not a lag-free display. it certainly should be 'good enough', but if input lag is your biggest concern there's still better options

You couldn't have turned up with that revelation a couple of hours earlier before I ordered ? smile.gif Joking.

What do you see as better than the Sony in this arena?
post #26 of 32
there are some cheap DLP's with lower lag time, but other areas of the image will suffer if you are sensitive to rainbow effect and they don't have the contrast that the HW50 produces.

There isn't a major change to the 55, if the 50 is a good price in your country then go for it. It's one of the best all around projectors last year in this price category.

you don't have to use the Sony glasses, there's a number of options including the Xpand 104 and Monster Vision / Optoma 3D RF glasses.
post #27 of 32
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On an unrelated matter to the original question, as I had to end up with a white one, how do people find white projectors? Mine will be ceiling mounted likely upside down and the room is obviously a white colour, but we have darker coloured furniture and carpet, is it likely an eyesore or generally don't you notice?
post #28 of 32
a white projector looks great with a white ceiling. no concerns if that's your décor.

worst case you have to build a little cover or something, I wouldn't stress about it. heck, you could probably even plasti-dip the case if you really wanted to.
post #29 of 32
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You couldn't have turned up with that revelation a couple of hours earlier before I ordered ? smile.gif Joking.

What do you see as better than the Sony in this arena?

as zombie said above, there's some cheap DLP's that are well below 20ms. they are the 'ultimate' for big screen gaming. but the sony should be much better for movies, and chances are you wouldn't even notice the lag anyway. enjoy the sony, it is a great projector and a great value, it literally does everything well.
post #30 of 32

The jvc and samsung are basically the same. i don't notice either, but i do wonder how much better i might be at some games with a faster display. for now, i'm going to maintain my ignorance is bliss situation because i'm a pretty casual gamer(i don't really care if i'm any good) and there's no way i'm giving up the image quality i get with the JVC for movies and tv shows.EoRNcT

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