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post #121 of 421
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Originally Posted by Gradius2 View Post

I would only go curved if it were >100".

Nice, but some of us would still need a smaller size to fit in our living rooms.

Also, the S9C curved OLED weighs about 65 pounds. With a thin panel such as this, a set twice the size would probably crack in half once you manage to get it out of the box.
Edited by Pres2play - 10/29/13 at 11:44am
post #122 of 421
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Originally Posted by Pres2play View Post

Vinnie, I imagine you're talking about a test pattern. Which would you recommend?
Not a pattern per se' but a single color (preferably white) slide in jpg format. You could borrow one from D-Nice's plasma panel prep slides, I'd imagine.
post #123 of 421
You do get richer colors with the native color space. It looks great, but I noticed a problem with TV programs over the cable box. The images break up slightly and snap back into focus over and over again, as if the TV is having trouble locking into the signal. I didn't notice the same problem watching Blurays; the picture stays solid. Here's a shot from Starwars...which do you prefer?

With the color space set to auto:


With native selected...
post #124 of 421
The sky hues from the native setting look more saturated and pleasing, comparing both pictures; but of course it is hard to get an accurate comparison of what you are seeing from pictures on the internet being viewed on a non OLED display.

Can you take a couple of comparison pictures showing how the faces of some people look for both settings? Skin tones accuracy might be easier for people to judge, rather than some sunset image comparisons.
post #125 of 421
Unless you know what the scene is supposed to look like, it is really hard to tell. I will have to take a look at that disc to see.
post #126 of 421
Auto on the left; native on the right. The differences are more striking on OLED, but wanted to show that native is not as wacky or cartoony as some may think.

Notice the color shift on the wall behind Portman in the first picture. It looks sort of blue. In the other, it appears gray. The reds on her cheek also appear more intense on native, but her skin tone seems more natural in auto.

While I prefer auto as my color space, native can spice things up nicely-- the blue text in the end credits alone is quite dazzling. My son likes the native setting.

When they finally increase the color space on Blurays, the change will be an instant hit.







Edited by Pres2play - 10/31/13 at 11:55am
post #127 of 421
The native facial images look slightly better on my monitor, and the background details look much more defined, than those in the auto settings, though they do look slightly too saturated.

Which option did the calibrator use when he calibrated your set?. If it was the auto setting, then perhaps the calibration settings would have to be tweaked for the native option?
post #128 of 421
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Originally Posted by JWhip View Post

You really need to place this display with your eyes in the center of the screen. If you do and you don't mind the curve and of course, the cost, the display delivers an incredible picture.
I wonder if this is just the Samsung with this issue, no off angle performance issues that I can see on the LG 55" >>> Click Here I have not played with the Samsung, but this LG is flat out amazing.
post #129 of 421
I have yet to see the new LG but didn't notice the color shift on the flat LG in London. Hopefully I will get to check one out soon. What I really want to see is a flat 70 inch OLED, fully calibrated in a dark room.
post #130 of 421
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Originally Posted by greenland View Post

The native facial images look slightly better on my monitor, and the background details look much more defined, than those in the auto settings, though they do look slightly too saturated.

Which option did the calibrator use when he calibrated your set?. If it was the auto setting, then perhaps the calibration settings would have to be tweaked for the native option?

He used Custom for the Cal Day and Cal Night presets only. I used the Movie preset for the pictures above, to see the result without calibration. I'll check it out with Cal Day tonight.
post #131 of 421
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Originally Posted by Cleveland Plasma View Post

I wonder if this is just the Samsung with this issue, no off angle performance issues that I can see on the LG 55" >>> Click Here I have not played with the Samsung, but this LG is flat out amazing.

Someone should really add OLED to that thread name.
post #132 of 421
Another review. Sound like they preferred it over the LG.

http://www.digitalversus.com/tv-television/samsung-ke55s9c-p17087/test.html#full-review
post #133 of 421
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Originally Posted by Pres2play View Post

Nice, but some of us would still need a smaller size to fit in our living rooms.

Also, the S9C curved OLED weighs about 65 pounds. With a thin panel such as this, a set twice the size would probably crack in half once you manage to get it out of the box.

I would be happy with 70" btw. But they wouldn't use plastic as case, they would need carbon (or other better material) for it.

And the price needs to go below $5K of course.
post #134 of 421
I been waiting for oled tv for a long time, samsung tv looks great but im worried of the life lenght since the uk user on avsforum had his second samsung oled faulted on him with dying pixles. eek.gif
post #135 of 421
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Originally Posted by greenland View Post

The native facial images look slightly better on my monitor, and the background details look much more defined, than those in the auto settings, though they do look slightly too saturated.

Which option did the calibrator use when he calibrated your set?. If it was the auto setting, then perhaps the calibration settings would have to be tweaked for the native option?

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Originally Posted by Pres2play View Post

He used Custom for the Cal Day and Cal Night presets only. I used the Movie preset for the pictures above, to see the result without calibration. I'll check it out with Cal Day tonight.

Here the whites look better in custom, on the right. Color saturation is also more natural in custom, though it's harder to tell from these images. Guess I 'm sticking with custom for now.




So, is it possible to get to Rec 709 in native mode? All the reviews say the controls don't have enough range.

I should also mention, the calibration was done with the picture size at the 16:9 default setting. Should have been Screen Fit. Wonder how much the PQ is affected by this.
Edited by Pres2play - 11/2/13 at 11:42pm
post #136 of 421
I watched my DVD of the Exorcist, and the nicks and scratches on this early transfer really dance on the OLED. The white spots were so bright, it had me thinking the pixels were misfiring.

The screen looks fine with newer DVDs, and of course, Bluray and HDDVD.
post #137 of 421
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Originally Posted by vaktmestern View Post

I been waiting for oled tv for a long time, samsung tv looks great but im worried of the life lenght since the uk user on avsforum had his second samsung oled faulted on him with dying pixles. eek.gif

Good -- only one stinkin' picture in the whole lot and that included his speakers!
post #138 of 421
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Originally Posted by vaktmestern View Post

I been waiting for oled tv for a long time, samsung tv looks great but im worried of the life lenght since the uk user on avsforum had his second samsung oled faulted on him with dying pixles. eek.gif

Too bad, you still will need to wait 3~5 years before it matures.
post #139 of 421
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Originally Posted by vaktmestern View Post

I been waiting for oled tv for a long time, samsung tv looks great but im worried of the life lenght since the uk user on avsforum had his second samsung oled faulted on him with dying pixles. eek.gif

Better off waiting for the 4K OLED from Panasonic. They seem to be advancing much faster than planned, so maybe the printing methods has increased yields. Still only 55" though, but at least it will be flat and about the same price as the current OLEDs from LG and Samsung.
post #140 of 421
Watched Immortals last night in 3D. Walked over to the screen and felt I could fall inside the picture. Wow!
post #141 of 421
I'm a bit jealous that the LG has a 20 pt White Balance editor mad.gif I hope this feature gets added to the Samsung, in a future One-Connect box; I still feel the blacks can benefit from finer adjustments. Anyway, I had an on-line chat with a Samsung Support rep and I hope the feedback gets some attention.
Edited by Pres2play - 11/4/13 at 11:53am
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post #143 of 421
One more...

post #144 of 421
I like this one, with all the light in the background

post #145 of 421
AVforums has posted its recommended settings for the S9C, and they note the adjustments can vary between OLEDs. I will compare with my settings later tonight.

Picture Mode: Movie

Cell Light: 10

Contrast: 80

Brightness: 45

Sharpness: 0

Colour: 50

Tint: G50/R50

Picture Size

Picture Size: Screen Fit

Advanced Settings

Dynamic Contrast: Off

Black Tone: Off

Flesh Tone: 0

RGB Only Mode: Off

Colour Space: Auto

White Balance 2-Point: Red Offset 24, Green Offset 25, Blue Offset 25, Red Gain 26, Green Gain 20, Blue Gain 27

White Balance 10-Point: 1 - R0/G0/B0, 2 - R0/G0/B0, 3 - R-4/G0/B0, 4 - R0/G0/B0, 5 - R0/G0/B0, 6 - R0/G0/B0, 7 - R0/G0/B0, 8 - R0/G0/B0, 9 - R0/G0/B0, 10 - R0/G0/B0

Gamma: 0

Expert Pattern: Off

Motion Lighting: Off

Picture Options

Colour Tone: Warm2

Digital Clean View: Off

MPEG Noise Filter: Off

HDMI Black Level: Low (If applicable)

Film Mode: Auto2 (If applicable)

Motion Plus: Off
post #146 of 421
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White Balance 10-Point: 1 - R0/G0/B0, 2 - R0/G0/B0, 3 - R-4/G0/B0, 4 - R0/G0/B0, 5 - R0/G0/B0, 6 - R0/G0/B0, 7 - R0/G0/B0, 8 - R0/G0/B0, 9 - R0/G0/B0, 10 - R0/G0/B0

 

Just as a tip (in case you didn't know).  The rich text mode of the editor (I don't know about the other versions) will allow you to chose a Paragraph Format of "formatted".  This will allow you to have fixed point type and arrange things more easily in columns.  You can also enter full tables, but I find that terribly cumbersome because cut & paste isn't full row at a time (that I can tell).  "formatted" would allow you something like the following, which seems clearer to me.  Up to you.

 

White Balance 10-Point
 Point  R  G  B
-----------------
   1    0  0  0 
   2    0  0  0
   3   -4  0  0
   4    0  0  0
   5    0  0  0
   6    0  0  0
   7    0  0  0
   8    0  0  0
   9    0  0  0
  10    0  0  0
post #147 of 421
No, I wasn't aware of this. How do I accomplish this? I always end up checking each interval as a precaution. This is a much faster way. Thanks!

Edit: Oops...I completely misunderstood. Yeah, I just did a copy and paste. Your way is better, though.
Edited by Pres2play - 11/8/13 at 5:43pm
post #148 of 421
Tosh HD DVD player...


Edited by Pres2play - 11/9/13 at 2:12am
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post #150 of 421
Nice contrast...


Edited by Pres2play - 11/9/13 at 2:15am
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