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post #31 of 438
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Why not have a flat version ?

It´s out in Europe for 7999€ without and 8999€ with "canvas speakers":

http://www.lg.com/nl/televisies/lg-55EA8809-gallery-oled-tv
post #32 of 438
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Originally Posted by Cleveland Plasma View Post

I wonder why they are curved ? Why not have a flat version ?

Just so you guys know, LG 55EA9800 is out now as well...........

Couldnt agree more. Its just plain STUPID.










Not stupid at all. The total design in not only to enhance the visual end by it also is part of the audio. The speaker in the frame are turned slightly downward. The project the sound into the curve and the curve generates the sound outward. It was acts like a megaphone enriching the quality and tone. If you have demoed the set, or just plain seen it in action within a good set-up, you'd understand this and truly marvel at the power and richness of the audio from such small speakers. I've had larger TVs with space inside for larger speakers but none have demonstrated such robust sound. Add to that a build in sound equalizer that the listener engages that evaluates the room to customize the tonal quality for the environment.
The TV is made to be placed on a slightly lower stand - different from what most have become comfortable with in terms of hanging it on the wall. When the TV is placed on a lower stand the natural tilt of the screen ( it kinda leans back a bit ) along with the curve actually becomes dish like in presentation - is does have the effect of "drawing the viewer in". If anything it isn't the run of the mill TV. A lot of thought went into this visually & aurally. It's very easy to make a flat rectangle just like all others. Most here on the forum probably don't remember or have never experienced movie theaters with screen that were curved - or had curtains that opened as the film began. I'm not talking CINERAMA, but regular screens. I think too many have lost sight of what going to see a movie was really like and what made it different and more of an experience that just sitting and watching a video. This TV brings back that look and tries to re-create a very special viewing experience. This whining over the image being curved and how it distorts is plain stupid. The image can't be distorted if it not being projected. If anything the older cinemas were distorted the image but that's not the cast for video - it the same as bending a photograph to curve - all the image is there, none is lost.
It amazing that most would rather accept the prior TV from Samsung where black and white level were knowingly crushed but now that is no longer an issue and a generation has grown up with TVs on the wall people are bitching over an advancement that jumps ahead of others in more than one way yet isn't giving it the notice it truly deserves. Yet, stupid consumers flocked to purchase STAR WARS and fell for the bull of digitally transferred in THX ..... FOR VHS!!!
Really!
- Scott B
post #33 of 438
Stargazer, how's Multi View? Can you set it to view two TV channels? I noticed a One Connect box in Europe with two cable inputs and was wondering if a second cable box is needed for this to work.
Edited by Pres2play - 10/6/13 at 9:01am
post #34 of 438
Thread Starter 
some posts removed

this is an owners thread for the Samsung S9: the guidelines for posting here are given in the top thread: there is a general OLED thread where you can discuss general issues

thanks
post #35 of 438
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Originally Posted by Pres2play View Post

Here's my Pioneer HD5080 50" plasma on a Bello TV stand. The set is about 7 years old and hasn't been professionally calibrated. I did make a few adjustments in the service menu when I first got it, using D-Nice's offset recommendations, below. The screen shots are not as clear as they should be, so bear with me while I get reacquainted with my Nikon P90. I'll post the same images on the OLED before doing any calibration.

R High: +3
G High: 0
B High: -10
R Low: -12
G Low: 0
B Low: -13




Edit: my only real peeve about the CURVED screen is that it only comes in 55 inches. My stand can accommodate a 65" OLED easily! A 65" is big for my apartment, but the curve would probably make it appear less gargantuan.
post #36 of 438
Someone at the AVforum has just reported a stuck green pixel on the Sammy.
post #37 of 438
Nothing's perfect. wink.gif However, I'd have a hard time living with a single defective pixel from a $9K TV.
Edited by vinnie97 - 10/6/13 at 5:14pm
post #38 of 438
Oh, yeah, he's having it replaced. And the new set will be recalibrated at no charge. Good for him wink.gif
post #39 of 438
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BTW - Images were taken with the Nokia Lumia 1020 Windows phone
post #40 of 438
Whether flat or curved, it's so exciting that these OLEDs are finally available. That thin panel is beautiful...congratulations, ditcin!

It's hard to tell from the photo, is the mosquito noise or what ever you call it that you see on plasmas gone?

How's the blacks?
Edited by Pres2play - 10/7/13 at 8:11am
post #41 of 438
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Originally Posted by Pres2play View Post

Stargazer, how's Multi View? Can you set it to view two TV channels? I noticed a One Connect box in Europe with two cable inputs and was wondering if a second cable box is needed for this to work.

Have not tried Multi View yet. But yes you would need a second cable box, or antenna/cable box combinations to see 2 tv channels.
post #42 of 438
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Originally Posted by Pres2play View Post

Whether flat or curved, it's so exciting that these OLEDs are finally available. That thin panel is beautiful...congratulations, ditcin!
No question about that, I figured this was going to be another year with broken promises. Congrads to all OLED owners frown.gif
post #43 of 438
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Originally Posted by ditcin 

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^^ Looks like ditcin isn't to happy with those remarks about curved TV's tongue.gif
post #44 of 438
Actually, that was my reaction to Warner Bros choice for not using the new 4K master for the 40th Anniversary Exorcist Blu-ray release do out on 10/8/13 and re-releasing what was out previous.
- Scott B

BTW - anyone interested in a used DarbeeVision Darblet?
post #45 of 438
The great thing about the bottom photo is that it creates the illusion the TV is huge. smile.gif

With respect to Multi-View, the feature is more cool than frequently useful, but I imagine it's most compelling in the real world with kids.

Let me explain why: I have multiple DVRs in the family room so I could easily have two live / recorded programs. Very, very few people do. But most people still have a disc player of some kind (or a media streamer or can use the Smart TV type stuff). It's not especially unlikely that you'd have a situation where one kid wants to watch the Wiggles and another kid just, well, doesn't... So you can pop in Tangled on DVD and voila, both are pretty happy.

All of this is doable with adults, for example, if you have MLB TV or NBA TV, but I have a tough time imagining the wife sitting in the room and watching an entirely different program with its own sound beamed into her ears as a feature. Maybe once in a blue moon, but as a frequent occurrence, that seems like it points out a different non-TV-related issue.

Still, in the demos I've had, the Multi-View works great.
post #46 of 438
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Originally Posted by 8mile13 View Post

^^ Looks like ditcin isn't to happy with those remarks about curved TV's tongue.gif

What pretty green eyes biggrin.gif
post #47 of 438
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Originally Posted by rogo View Post

The great thing about the bottom photo is that it creates the illusion the TV is huge. smile.gif

With respect to Multi-View, the feature is more cool than frequently useful, but I imagine it's most compelling in the real world with kids.

Let me explain why: I have multiple DVRs in the family room so I could easily have two live / recorded programs. Very, very few people do. But most people still have a disc player of some kind (or a media streamer or can use the Smart TV type stuff). It's not especially unlikely that you'd have a situation where one kid wants to watch the Wiggles and another kid just, well, doesn't... So you can pop in Tangled on DVD and voila, both are pretty happy.

All of this is doable with adults, for example, if you have MLB TV or NBA TV, but I have a tough time imagining the wife sitting in the room and watching an entirely different program with its own sound beamed into her ears as a feature. Maybe once in a blue moon, but as a frequent occurrence, that seems like it points out a different non-TV-related issue.

Still, in the demos I've had, the Multi-View works great.


I need it for sports on weekends, when my son would rather watch something else.
post #48 of 438
Have any of you new owners noticed any Image Retention happening on your Samsung OLED sets?
post #49 of 438
I own the set and I have no stuck pixels and have not seen any image retention.
post #50 of 438
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Originally Posted by rogo View Post

The great thing about the bottom photo is that it creates the illusion the TV is huge. smile.gif

With respect to Multi-View, the feature is more cool than frequently useful, but I imagine it's most compelling in the real world with kids.

Let me explain why: I have multiple DVRs in the family room so I could easily have two live / recorded programs. Very, very few people do. But most people still have a disc player of some kind (or a media streamer or can use the Smart TV type stuff). It's not especially unlikely that you'd have a situation where one kid wants to watch the Wiggles and another kid just, well, doesn't... So you can pop in Tangled on DVD and voila, both are pretty happy.

All of this is doable with adults, for example, if you have MLB TV or NBA TV, but I have a tough time imagining the wife sitting in the room and watching an entirely different program with its own sound beamed into her ears as a feature. Maybe once in a blue moon, but as a frequent occurrence, that seems like it points out a different non-TV-related issue.

Still, in the demos I've had, the Multi-View works great.




Not on my 9k display

The kids get the vizio wink.gif
post #51 of 438
Won't be long and the Video's of broken OLED's on you tube will start popping up frown.gif
post #52 of 438
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Originally Posted by Cleveland Plasma View Post

Won't be long and the Video's of broken OLED's on you tube will start popping up frown.gif

Made me look at youtube to see if any were already posted.

What I found was several clips demonstrating how bendable the OLED panels are.

Wouldn't be surprised if the manufacturers one day will ship panels that you can use either flat or with a curve by adjusting it's support mechanism.
post #53 of 438
MMM, I heard it's been broached.
BTW - OLED doesn't have burn-in, actually it a filter that's put over the OLED that can be susceptible to it. On this TV is one looks carefully at the screen as light from within the room reflects off of it you will notice a kind of "ripple" in the refection; that's the filter that been applied. It kinda looks like a screen protector on a phone. Which brings up this.. - what phone do you know of that has had burn-in? It just common sense.
- Scott B
post #54 of 438
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Originally Posted by ditcin View Post

MMM, I heard it's been broached.
BTW - OLED doesn't have burn-in, actually it a filter that's put over the OLED that can be susceptible to it. On this TV is one looks carefully at the screen as light from within the room reflects off of it you will notice a kind of "ripple" in the refection; that's the filter that been applied. It kinda looks like a screen protector on a phone. Which brings up this.. - what phone do you know of that has had burn-in? It just common sense.
- Scott B
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The reason why I asked if any owners of the Samsung model are noticing any IR is because JWhip found what he considered to be permanent burn in on the LG flat panel unit on display in Harrods of London. He has posted pictures of it on the OLED developments thread.

http://www.avsforum.com/t/681125/oled-tvs-technology-advancements-thread/6100_100#post_23511290
post #55 of 438
Greenland

Good point.

Without running a screen wipe routine, is there any way to tell if a screen is suffering from image retention versus burn-in?

My point is unless someone has access to screen wipe in one of these stores, how can they be sure that what they think is burn in isn't temporary image retention?
post #56 of 438
Greenland

Good point.

Without running a screen wipe routine, is there any way to tell if a screen is suffering from image retention versus burn-in?

My point is unless someone has access to screen wipe in one of these stores, how can they be sure that what they think is burn in isn't temporary image retention?





What you stated is very valid. Those working at the stores probably don't even care to notice when image retention begins to do anything about it before it turns into burn in. I also heard that it was originally intended that these TVs were supposed to have a feature to off set retention/burn-in with a burst of white and black that would in a sense re-set the screen. Again, this due to the applied filter that causes the problem.
- Scott B
Edited by ditcin - 10/8/13 at 9:38am
post #57 of 438
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Originally Posted by ALMA View Post

It´s out in Europe for 7999€ without and 8999€ with "canvas speakers":
http://www.lg.com/nl/televisies/lg-55EA8809-gallery-oled-tv
Too bad it's mounted to that horrible picture frame though.
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Originally Posted by rogo View Post

Pretty much no one anywhere was saying a year ago, "Boy, what I really wanted was a curved screen in what amounts to a tiny form factor." And pretty much no one is saying it now. It's not only a "solution in search of a problem" it actually creates as many problems as it solves. See below. VVV
The only reasons it exists are what Sytech said and the fact they could do it. But differentiation for the sake of differentiation, especially when it's not actually a feature of the technology but rather an artifact of the manufacturing process, is flat out pointless.
Well, if you have a very large 21:9 OLED display, and want people to sit closer to the set, curving the panel is a good way to get people to do that. If you set it up right, a curved screen would be equidistant at all points on the display.

With a 55" 16:9 display that is only 1080p though, few people would be sitting close enough to be in the one spot where the screen is equidistant at all points, and it's just going to look strange.
And almost all content released today is intended to be viewed with a flat projection. In fact, I think How the West Was Won may be the only Blu-ray intended for a curved presentation. (one of the two films shot for Cinerama)

Personally, I don't want a a curved display. Even if it does make some sense with larger screens, it limits your viewing to a single "sweet spot" and distorts anything that is not intended to be displayed on a curved screen.
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Without running a screen wipe routine, is there any way to tell if a screen is suffering from image retention versus burn-in?
My point is unless someone has access to screen wipe in one of these stores, how can they be sure that what they think is burn in isn't temporary image retention?
There are a few things which can cause a plasma display to hold a charge, which is the cause of temporary image retention. With OLED I think you are only going to see the effects of uneven wear or "burn in" rather than anything temporary.
post #58 of 438
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Too bad it's mounted to that horrible picture frame though.

You can buy the 55EA8809 without the "horrible picture frame" (= LG´s canvas speaker set) wink.gif

http://www.areadvd.de/images/2013/09/OLEDwithArtGallery2.jpg

http://images01.futurezone.at/46-57368185.jpg/fuzo-slideshow-slide/25.560.509
post #59 of 438
ALMA

That second link is an obvious photoshop cut and paste.
post #60 of 438
That´s not PS. The ugly antique looking frame is an optional accessory concept for their canvas speakers. They show it with Arts from van Gogh at the IFA 2013 and at the launch event in Nederland.

http://www.lgblog.de/2013/09/09/gallery-oled-tv-als-gerahmtes-bild-an-der-wand-mit-sattem-sound/

http://cnettv.cnet.com/lg-gallery-oled-55-inch-tv-fancy-frame/9742-1_53-50154401.html

The frame and the canvas speakers are detachable and accessory. Without (you save 1000 Euros), LG claimed you have to use an external AV-R with loudspeakers for sound. The EA8809 dosen´t have integrated loudspeakers.
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