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post #31 of 72
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Originally Posted by dvdharp View Post

2 - cable out on cable box to a/b switch (this a/b switch was hooked up so long ago, I now wonder what the a/b switch is for and if it's superfluous -- because I was able to record only what was on the tv with the EZ48V)

3 -- a/b switch to RF IN on old DVDR (Coaxils) (see #2 on DVDR rear panel diagram)

4 - RF OUT from old DVDR to ANT 1 on TV (see handwritten arrow marked #1 on diagram of rear tv panel)

As noted, the new Panasonic EH-59's RF input/tuner is not for North America, so it will not work with your current setup. Citibear even said as much:
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Originally Posted by CitiBear View Post

The only disadvantage is that it isn't officially a USA/Canada model, so there is no mfr warranty support and its tuner does not work here. The more reputable dealers who import it offer their own warranties, and the tuner isn't needed since you'd plug it into your cable box anyway.

We were under the assumption you were not using the RF outputs on the cable box. What cable box is this? It should (depending on the model) have additional outputs you can use, such as s-video or composite (s-video is preferable.)


My recommendation is:

Wall cable -> cable box -> s-video+red/white audio -> Panasonic EH-59 -> component-> TV.
Edited by Tulpa - 10/14/13 at 1:15pm
post #32 of 72
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Here's my cable box rear panel. You can click on the image for a larger view.

post #33 of 72
Yeah, cable from the wall into #7, then connect to the Panasonic at #1 (s-video) and #4 (red/white analog audio.)
post #34 of 72
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Yeah, cable from the wall into #7, then connect to the Panasonic at #1 (s-video) and #4 (red/white analog audio.)

Is that all? Shouldn't there also be a connection from the DVDR to the TV? And the TV isn't HD, as you can tell from the TV rear panel, shown a few posts above.

cable box


new dvdr


tv


old dvdr

Edited by dvdharp - 10/14/13 at 1:06pm
post #35 of 72
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Originally Posted by dvdharp View Post

Is that all? Shouldn't there also be a connection from the DVDR to the TV? And the TV isn't HD, as you can tell from the TV rear panel, shown a few posts above.
new dvdr


tv


Ah, missed the TV. That's just component video out on the Panasonic to the corresponding component in on the TV (for best results. You could also do s-video, but why not take advantage of component?) Along with another red/white audio cable for sound.
post #36 of 72
If it were me I'd also run the composite output(#5 on your photo) directly to your TV. You'll also need a couple audio Y cables to split your STBs(#4) L&R audio and have one side go to your TV and the other to the EH-59s line input. This way just to watch your STB you won't have to power up your EH-59. At least thats what I'd do to save wear on your EH-59.
post #37 of 72
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OK. I'm ready to go out and buy some cables tomorrow. Let me see if I follow.

I'm connecting the wall cable into my cablebox "cable in" That doesn't change.

2 -- Then I'm supposed to make an S-Video connection between the cable box and the new DVDR. There's only one S-Video socket on the cable box, so I'll connect that lone socket to the S-Video (in) on the new DVDR.

3--I'll also connect the L/R audio outs on the cable box to the L/R audio ins on the new DVDR. For this, I'll use those red/white/yellow three-pronged cables, but I'll leave the yellow one unplugged on each end.

__________

This is the part where I might be confused:

4 -- I'm supposed to connect the L/R audio outs on the DVDR to the L/R audio ins on the TV. Like above, I'll use those red/white/yellow three-pronged cables, but I'll leave the yellow one unplugged on each end.

5- I'll also connect S-Video out on the new DVDR to S-Video in on the TV.

6- Finally, I think I'm also supposed to connect the component video out on the DVDR to the component video in on the TV ( Y, PB, PR) But the only component video in on the TV (see diagram) is in a section titled DVD IN. Is that still OK?

Thanks again.
post #38 of 72
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Originally Posted by dvdharp View Post

OK. I'm ready to go out and buy some cables tomorrow. Let me see if I follow.
5- I'll also connect S-Video out on the new DVDR to S-Video in on the TV.

You don't need s-video from the DVD-R to the TV. The component will work just fine.

jjeff suggested a composite (yellow cable) from the cable box directly to the TV so you don't have to turn the DVD-R on to watch TV with no recording. You can strip away one of the unused yellow-ended cables from the three-pronged. It won't hurt anything (assuming you don't mangle the whole cable, which won't happen if you're careful.) I've done it myself when I needed the composite video to go to a different location than the red/white cables.
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6- Finally, I think I'm also supposed to connect the component video out on the DVDR to the component video in on the TV ( Y, PB, PR) But the only component video in on the TV (see diagram) is in a section titled DVD IN. Is that still OK?

Yeah, that's fine. The TV just named it something different. It's the same connection.
post #39 of 72
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Originally Posted by Tulpa View Post


jjeff suggested a composite (yellow cable) from the cable box directly to the TV so you don't have to turn the DVD-R on to watch TV with no recording. You can strip away one of the unused yellow-ended cables from the three-pronged. It won't hurt anything (assuming you don't mangle the whole cable, which won't happen if you're careful.) I've done it myself when I needed the composite video to go to a different location than the red/white cables.
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You mean from cable out video to tv in video? Also, if I have an extra one of those three pronged red, yellow, white cables, can I just use the yellow prong to make that connection without having to do any stripping? This way, the red and white prongs will just hang there, unplugged.
post #40 of 72
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Originally Posted by dvdharp View Post

You mean from cable out video to tv in video?

Yes.
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Also, if I have an extra one of those three pronged red, yellow, white cables, can I just use the yellow prong to make that connection without having to do any stripping? This way, the red and white prongs will just hang there, unplugged.

Sure, if you have an extra three-pronged cable lying around, feel free to use it. My suggestion was to minimize the unplugged cables, but they're not hurting anything otherwise if you'd rather keep them intact. jjeff also mentioned that you'll need some red/white splitters to run the audio.

You can also buy them at Monoprice with just red/white and just yellow (or the equivalent, it might not be yellow.)
Edited by Tulpa - 10/14/13 at 6:30pm
post #41 of 72
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jjeff also mentioned that you'll need some red/white splitters to run the audio.

This, I'm not understanding.
post #42 of 72
The cable box has only one set of red/white audio outs. You either need to 1) split it to go to the TV and the DVD-R to send sound, or 2) just send it to the DVD-R and from the DVD-R out to the TV and ignore the connections (video and audio) from the cable box to the TV directly.

You'll need to keep the DVD-R turned on for the second option, but that would be the less complicated one.
post #43 of 72
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Originally Posted by Tulpa View Post

The cable box has only one set of red/white audio outs. You either need to 1) split it to go to the TV and the DVD-R to send sound, or 2) just send it to the DVD-R and from the DVD-R out to the TV and ignore the connections (video and audio) from the cable box to the TV directly.

You'll need to keep the DVD-R turned on for the second option, but that would be the less complicated one.

I understand. So how do I split the cable box audio outs?
post #44 of 72
Two of these would work:
http://www.monoprice.com/Product/?c_id=102&cp_id=10218&cs_id=1021803&p_id=663&seq=1&format=1#largeimage
One for splitting the Left audio out of your STB and one for the right.
Again the only reason for this is so you wouldn't have to have your EH-59 on even if you just wanted to watch TV from your STB. If your OK turning your EH-59 even to just watch TV you wouldn't need these smile.gif
post #45 of 72
post #46 of 72
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So if I'm understanding, I buy two of those. I then plug one black prong into the left audio out on the cable box. The other black prong goes in the right audio out on the cable box. Then I just match the red and whites all the way into the TV left and right audio ins, and into the DVDR left and right audio ins.
post #47 of 72
The tricky part is making sure that the TV and the DVD-R each get a left and right output cable coming from the cable box.

If you have a splitter on the right audio output on the cable box (red plug), the splitter's red and white are both outputting the right stereo. Same with the left. So you have to ignore the color coding on the splitter itself and just go with the actual outputs on the box, the inputs on the TV and DVD-R, and the cables.

Maybe this will help:



And of course running video cables as well.
post #48 of 72
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Got it. So I'm splitting the L&R audio outs from the cable box and sending the splits to both DVDR audio in and TV audio in. I'm also connecting the cable box yellow video out (not split) to the tv yellow video in.

How come I could watch TV without having to turn on my old DVDR? I wasn't splitting the audio signals for that connection.
post #49 of 72
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Originally Posted by dvdharp View Post

Got it. So I'm splitting the L&R audio outs from the cable box and sending the splits to both DVDR audio in and TV audio in. I'm also connecting the cable box yellow video out (not split) to the tv yellow video in.

Exactly!
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How come I could watch TV without having to turn on my old DVDR? I wasn't splitting the audio signals for that connection.

The old one probably had a pass through function on the RF cable that you were using before. The new one is using line line level inputs (because the RF tuner on that one is useless in the US.) jjeff knows a thing or ten about Panasonic DVD-Rs. If he's suggesting a cable split, take it to the bank. smile.gif
post #50 of 72
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The old one probably had a pass through function on the RF cable that you were using before. The new one is using line line level inputs (because the RF tuner on that one is useless in the US.) jjeff knows a thing or ten about Panasonic DVD-Rs. If he's suggesting a cable split, take it to the bank. smile.gif

I am. I have to mail away for the splitters. But I'll have the other cables by today. So I'll probably connect the DVDR initially without splitting the audio out from the cable box, and split that signal when my splitters arrive.
post #51 of 72
Yeah, it'll work fine without splitting. You just need to keep the Panasonic on. Just about every device turns its line level inputs/outputs off when powered down.

Good to hear it's working out.
post #52 of 72
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How come I could watch TV without having to turn on my old DVDR? I wasn't splitting the audio signals for that connection.
If you get any clear QAM channels(more than likely just the locals, if that) and you split the RF input to your cable box(one side running to the cable box and the other to your TVs RF input) you could watch those clear QAM channels using your TVs tuner while recording something different than your STB was set to. But I'd still have the direct video connection from your STB to TV because there will be many more channels your STB will be able to tune that your TV will not be able to because they are scrambled.
I'm not sure if it's been determined if you get any clear QAM but if it has and you don't, then omit the splitter and RF cable to your TV, it wouldn't serve any purpose.
Unless you have 2 separate STBs(or a HD DVR with multiple tuners) the days of recording one channel while watching another(on cable or satellite) are all but gone frown.gif actually they were never here with satellite but cable is adopting the satellite model where every channel being watched will require a rented tuner.
post #53 of 72
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Originally Posted by jjeff View Post

If you get any clear QAM channels(more than likely just the locals, if that) and you split the RF input to your cable box (one side running to the cable box and the other to your TVs RF input) you could watch those clear QAM channels using your TVs tuner while recording something different than your STB was set to..
It doesn't appear that he has a digital tuner on his TV.
Edited by Kelson - 10/16/13 at 7:39am
post #54 of 72
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OK. I'm ready to go out and buy some cables tomorrow. Let me see if I follow.

I'm connecting the wall cable into my cablebox "cable in" That doesn't change.

2 -- Then I'm supposed to make an S-Video connection between the cable box and the new DVDR. There's only one S-Video socket on the cable box, so I'll connect that lone socket to the S-Video (in) on the new DVDR.

3--I'll also connect the L/R audio outs on the cable box to the L/R audio ins on the new DVDR. For this, I'll use those red/white/yellow three-pronged cables, but I'll leave the yellow one unplugged on each end.

__________

This is the part where I might be confused:

4 -- I'm supposed to connect the L/R audio outs on the DVDR to the L/R audio ins on the TV. Like above, I'll use those red/white/yellow three-pronged cables, but I'll leave the yellow one unplugged on each end.

5- I'll also connect S-Video out on the new DVDR to S-Video in on the TV.

6- Finally, I think I'm also supposed to connect the component video out on the DVDR to the component video in on the TV ( Y, PB, PR) But the only component video in on the TV (see diagram) is in a section titled DVD IN. Is that still OK?

Thanks again.

OK. I hooked up my new Panasonic, but without splitting the cable box l/r audio outs to DVDR in and TV in. I didn't get my splitters yet, and, as you'll learn by the end of this post, I may not need to split that signal. My TV works even with the new Panasonic DVDR shut off.

I pretty much followed the steps quoted above, except that I plugged in the yellow leads (video) on the 3 pronged red/yellow/white composite cables. I did this because at first, I was only getting sound on the VIDEO 1 TV setting (VIDEO 1 is for my DVDR; VIDEO 2 is set to my DVD player) when I played a DVD from the new DVDR. After fidgeting with the TV controls, I realized that the video was coming in on the COLORSTEAM setting, while sound, as it ought to, came in on the VIDEO 1 TV link. I suppose that this was so because the component prongs were plugged into a DVD IN setting on the TV, rather than on the same VIDEO 1 line that all the other DVDR plugs go into. And so even though It was suggested that I need not connect an S Video from DVDR out to TV in, I did anyway after taking out the component wire. So now, the sound and picture are synchronized and coming in on the VIDEO 1 setting.

Here's the thing; I can watch TV without turning on the new DVDR. I don't know why, based on what was posted in this thread. You might want to know, and this might be relevant, that the old co-axil hookups from my tv and STB to the old DVDR RF in/outs are still intact. But the old DVDR is unplugged. So me, not knowing a fraction of what you guys know about this stuff, am definitely confused.

I haven't gotten around to figure out how to record yet with my new DVDR. I think I'll do that tomorrow or the day after. But one quirk I noticed is that when I play a DVD on the new DVDR, the aspect ratios are always wrong for a store bought DVD. Those movies have a compressed sort of fun house mirror look to them, where the objects are somewhat thinner and taller -- how much thinner and taller depending on the proper or intended aspect ratio. I haven't figured out how to correct this yet, and am wondering if it's an adjustment I need to make on my new DVDR or on the TV. When I play a DVD that was recorded on my old Panasonic DVDR as opposed to a store bought DVD, the aspect ratio is correct.
post #55 of 72
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This new Panasonic makes my older one seem like a dinosaur. Spur of the moment recording on the old DVDR was impossible. I swear it felt like 10 minutes would elapse from turning on the old machine, to loading a disc in there, and then waiting for the machine to first read the disc before you could record. With the new one, I just press record and it starts recording in about two seconds. And with HDD recording, there's no need to have a disc ready either.
post #56 of 72
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Originally Posted by dvdharp View Post

This new Panasonic makes my older one seem like a dinosaur.

Heh, people often come in here questioning "Why do I need a DVD recorder with a hard drive." You've learned firsthand why. smile.gif
post #57 of 72
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Well, this beats all. I like how the DVDR starts to record about a second after I hit the record button. Except that when I played back the recording, all I got back was gray snow on the screen. I re-started the set-up process and got this message:

"No Stations Found! Please check aerial connection."
post #58 of 72
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Well, this beats all. I like how the DVDR starts to record about a second after I hit the record button. Except that when I played back the recording, all I got back was gray snow on the screen. I re-started the set-up process and got this message:

"No Stations Found! Please check aerial connection."

As mentioned earlier your recorder does not have a tuner that is functional in North America.  That means that the coax RF input cannot be used as a signal/recording source because the RF input is for the internal tuner that does not conform to North American NTSC or ATSC standards.  There is no NTSC (analog) channel 3 or 4 to use as a recording input.

 

Recording with your recorder is limited to the "line inputs" i.e., S-Video or RCA composite (yellow) video inputs plus white and red RCA audio inputs.  Connect your external tuner to one or the other video inputs and the corresponding audio inputs and select that input as the recording source.


Edited by DigaDo - 10/17/13 at 10:27pm
post #59 of 72
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I didn't connect to the RF in/outs on my new DVDR. I essentially followed the advice given to me on this thread. See post #54 for my connection set-up. For what it's worth, I can play DVDs on the new DVDR and get the video/audio.

But what's an external tuner? I'm assuming it's my cable box. If it's something else, I don't have that.
post #60 of 72
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Well, this beats all. I like how the DVDR starts to record about a second after I hit the record button. Except that when I played back the recording, all I got back was gray snow on the screen. I re-started the set-up process and got this message:

"No Stations Found! Please check aerial connection."

Ha, yes! I have done that. Your issue is really simple. The DVD recorder has several selectable inputs. You are, believe it or not, on the antenna input hence the message, check the aerial (antenna). You have to select the AV line that you plugged the STB signals into. If you cycle through the inputs (I think there is an input select button, if not, use the channel up/down button) until that input shows up in the display. It cycles through AV1, AV2, AV3, AV4, DV, and then the channel numbers. If it is showing just a number, like 1, then you are "using" the tuner set to a specific channel. AV1 and 2, are the SCART connectors, AV3 is the front, so I assume you have plugged it into the AV4 (back panel) input. Make sure AV4 is showing in the display.
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