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post #151 of 625
Thanks bob, using the old router as the ap makes much more sense. Ill try the nighthawk by itself first and see how it performs and go from there. Will be a few weeks before i make my purchase but will let you know how it works out. Thanks again.
post #152 of 625
Bob,

Thanks for the response. I can wait for a bridge. I'm not in any particular hurry and I know 2014 will likely bring many more choices. I'll check into the Plex and Roku 3. I've heard of both (Plex being the software, right?) but don't know a whole lot about what it can do, so I'll do a little research.

Thanks,
Larry
post #153 of 625
Hello! My old WNDR3700 has been having some "performance anxiety" lately on our home wireless network (used primarily by the following - Note 2, iPhone 4S, iPad, laptop, PS Vita - everything else in the house is wired). I just went out to buy the R7000 and figured I would take a stab at trying to utilize it in conjunction with my WNDR3700.

Here's the set up:

Cable modem > WNDR3700
WNDR3700 > 2 PC's (wired) + R7000 (in living room)
R7000 (set as AP) > 8-port g-bit unmanaged switch
Switch > TV + PS3 + PS4 + BD player + Skype camera

I changed the R7000 SSID to match my existing network, for 2.4 the channel selection on both is "auto", for 5ghz it's set to "161". Pretty much everything connects via 2.4 except my Note 2 which I have going through the 5ghz band (surprising more stuff doesn't work with 5ghz).

I've also got a WNHDE111 which is unused right now, but thinking of placing it upstairs (act as wireless bridge).

Does anything look "off" with my set up here?

Before today my phone was constantly wanting to switch me off wi-fi due to "unstable internet connection", haven't seen the message pop up since I hooked up the R7000. My "link speed" when I view the wi-fi settings on my Note 2 show my connection at 150Mbps but when I run speed test app it says I am getting around 72 ping and 21Mbps down and 6Mbps up (my TWC internet is extreme turbo which is 30/5 - speed test via PC shows 21 ping, 33Mbps down, 5.5Mbps up).

My laptop is a/c compatible, maybe I'd get better speed through there than my Note 2? From my past speed tests on my phone it seems the speed is about the same, is that to be expected but that I'll just have a more reliable connection?

One of the reasons I went to the R7000 is so that my Chromecast will have better performance streaming tabs from Chrome from my laptop, it's spotty before just running on the WNDR3700 (located in another room). So now I have the R7000 as the AP and placed it right smack in our living room where we use all our Wi-fi the most.

Any input is appreciated, I'm a noob when it comes to setting up anything but modem > router > wired switch lol.

EDIT: Connected to the 5ghz band via laptop. Windows Wi-Fi status via network sharing center shows speed as 866.7Mbps and speed test pretty much matches my wired PC connection in the other room. I assume this means my AP is set up correctly?
Edited by upstate-avfan-da - 1/19/14 at 5:39pm
post #154 of 625
Anyone have any comparison of this to the ASUS R66U?

I have been using the 66U for a while and have become really fed up over time. Every time my IP address changes the ASUS drops the connection and will not reconnect. It just doesn't properly do the IP release/renew with my internet provider(Charter). So what I have to do is run my PC directly to my router and manually do an IP release and renew. I have tried DD-WRT/Merlin/stock firmware to no avail. It becomes frustrating because of the times it happen always seem to be bad times like when I'm not around and the rest of the family is looking to use the internet or when I'm away and want to use my slingbox. I NEVER had this issue with my previous Netgear router.

Anyway, I was eyballing this router since I have had good luck with Netgear in the past. How is the wireless range compare to the 66U and also how well does it handl IPv6?

Thanks.
post #155 of 625
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Originally Posted by larry2456 View Post

Bob,

Thanks for the response. I can wait for a bridge. I'm not in any particular hurry and I know 2014 will likely bring many more choices. I'll check into the Plex and Roku 3. I've heard of both (Plex being the software, right?) but don't know a whole lot about what it can do, so I'll do a little research.

Thanks,
Larry

Bridge Update

All the Netgear AC series routers work fine as a Bridge enabling all the security protocols. Where the issue was I had forgotten was in repeater mode. There is only supports a minimal security protocol. So you are good to go.

That said check out the R6100 at $99 or I have seen refurb R6300 on some sites. Lastly the R6200/R6250 would make good bridges too. The only issue with the 6100 is it does not have a gig switch which I don't see as an issue.

Plex is a client server software that is great for local playback of ripped content. They have clients for many devices and it is just wonderful. check it out at www.plexapp.com

Bob Silver
Netgear AV Consultant
Edited by bobsilver - 1/21/14 at 11:05am
post #156 of 625
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Originally Posted by upstate-avfan-da View Post

Hello! My old WNDR3700 has been having some "performance anxiety" lately on our home wireless network (used primarily by the following - Note 2, iPhone 4S, iPad, laptop, PS Vita - everything else in the house is wired). I just went out to buy the R7000 and figured I would take a stab at trying to utilize it in conjunction with my WNDR3700.

Here's the set up:

Cable modem > WNDR3700
WNDR3700 > 2 PC's (wired) + R7000 (in living room)
R7000 (set as AP) > 8-port g-bit unmanaged switch
Switch > TV + PS3 + PS4 + BD player + Skype camera

I changed the R7000 SSID to match my existing network, for 2.4 the channel selection on both is "auto", for 5ghz it's set to "161". Pretty much everything connects via 2.4 except my Note 2 which I have going through the 5ghz band (surprising more stuff doesn't work with 5ghz).

I've also got a WNHDE111 which is unused right now, but thinking of placing it upstairs (act as wireless bridge).

Does anything look "off" with my set up here?

Before today my phone was constantly wanting to switch me off wi-fi due to "unstable internet connection", haven't seen the message pop up since I hooked up the R7000. My "link speed" when I view the wi-fi settings on my Note 2 show my connection at 150Mbps but when I run speed test app it says I am getting around 72 ping and 21Mbps down and 6Mbps up (my TWC internet is extreme turbo which is 30/5 - speed test via PC shows 21 ping, 33Mbps down, 5.5Mbps up).

My laptop is a/c compatible, maybe I'd get better speed through there than my Note 2? From my past speed tests on my phone it seems the speed is about the same, is that to be expected but that I'll just have a more reliable connection?

One of the reasons I went to the R7000 is so that my Chromecast will have better performance streaming tabs from Chrome from my laptop, it's spotty before just running on the WNDR3700 (located in another room). So now I have the R7000 as the AP and placed it right smack in our living room where we use all our Wi-fi the most.

Any input is appreciated, I'm a noob when it comes to setting up anything but modem > router > wired switch lol.

EDIT: Connected to the 5ghz band via laptop. Windows Wi-Fi status via network sharing center shows speed as 866.7Mbps and speed test pretty much matches my wired PC connection in the other room. I assume this means my AP is set up correctly?

Hey for a Noob Im impressed. You nailed it!.

Couple things you already found out. AC only works on the 5g band. You are getting near gigabit speed wirelessly! You nailed it.

On the 2.4 ghz a suggestion. You can leave the channels set to auto. But depending on the situation that may create issues in interference if both routers end up on the same channels. I set mine manually and space the channels far apart. Like set one to channel 1 and the other channel 6 or 11. You need 4 or 5 channels between them to eliminate interference. Everything else is correct.

Now using the R7000 as an AP is fine. Only downside is you dont get access to its software features. Since your laptop is your only AC device you might want to try using the 3700 as an access point and the R7000 as the router. Laptops have better wifi clients then do phones and tablets so you may be fine this way and get access to the great software with the r7000.

Lastly use the 5g band for all media related devices you can. It is uncongested and has much better bandwidth although admittedly reduced range.

Bob Silver
Netgear AV Consultant
post #157 of 625
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Originally Posted by bobsilver View Post

Hey for a Noob Im impressed. You nailed it!.

Couple things you already found out. AC only works on the 5g band. You are getting near gigabit speed wirelessly! You nailed it.

On the 2.4 ghz a suggestion. You can leave the channels set to auto. But depending on the situation that may create issues in interference if both routers end up on the same channels. I set mine manually and space the channels far apart. Like set one to channel 1 and the other channel 6 or 11. You need 4 or 5 channels between them to eliminate interference. Everything else is correct.

Now using the R7000 as an AP is fine. Only downside is you dont get access to its software features. Since your laptop is your only AC device you might want to try using the 3700 as an access point and the R7000 as the router. Laptops have better wifi clients then do phones and tablets so you may be fine this way and get access to the great software with the r7000.

Lastly use the 5g band for all media related devices you can. It is uncongested and has much better bandwidth although admittedly reduced range.

Bob Silver
Netgear AV Consultant

Haha, thanks! I'll use your tip on the channels on 2.4 if I notice some interference, so far so good I think. I've been hopping into the Netgear wifi app to check the channels they are on now and then. Problem is it takes too much baby sitting for me to find empty channels as I live in a townhouse and there's a lot of wifi going on here on 2.4.

I do like the features on the software side that I saw on the R7000. particularly the QoS since I'm sure the chromecast would benefit. But I really wanted to have the stronger router set up in our main area to get the strongest signal. Is it correct to assume that devices will connect to the closest access point rather than say anything in my living room connecting to the signal from the WNDR3700 in our office instead of the R7000 which is a few feet away? The chromecast is 2.4 only, I did a quick test on tab casting and it seemed to have better performance since I wasn't getting errors anymore which terminated the tab casting previously just using the 3700. I wish there was a way to monitor the signal strength and speed to the chromecast.
post #158 of 625

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post #159 of 625
The USB 3.0 transfer speeds are much better on the R7000 than what I was getting with my R6300v2 which also has USB 3.0. Using the same external drive I did a test and compared transfer speeds. I'm getting 38Mbps with the R7000 but the R6300v2 could only achieve about 18Mbps.
post #160 of 625
has anyone test that beta firmware that was posted but now seems to be gone
post #161 of 625
Someone posted in the Netgear forum that they tried it but had to revert as it was unuseable. Netgear really needs to get some competent firmware developers.

So far, I have been ok with the prior to newest firmware release. Version 1.0.2.164_1.0.15 has worked well for me so far. For a product that has been out since October, they really should have more of these bugs squashed and be further along in their feature set that they have been touting.
post #162 of 625
I am going to give it a try and see what I can find out. If nothing else, I can just revert back. I am hoping beamforming is enabled.
post #163 of 625
Thread Starter 
BetaFirmware

Netgear will be releasing the new firmware late February. Here is a link to the latest firmware. I will update this post with the current beta firmware as I get it from Netgear.


You can download the beta FW v.1.0.2.241 at the following link: This firmware does support Beam Forming and I believe Smart Connect.

http://files.netgear-support.com/go/?a=d&i=Vb0ek63nGC

Be aware that this is beta firmware and still has bugs. Netgear is testing this firmware now. If you like you can report bugs or issues here and I will forward to Netgear.


More when I have it.

Bob Silver
Netgear AV Consultant
Edited by bobsilver - 1/24/14 at 6:06pm
post #164 of 625
First time posting in here. Keep up the great support Bob. It is refreshing to have helpful knowledge on a new product.

Keep us posted on what you find with the beta firmware. Beamforming is what I am after. That is why I bought this over all others. Didn't know it wasn't enabled yet.
post #165 of 625

@BOB, on my dell latitude laptop. Its built in wifi is wifi G and when checking with InSSIDer, the max speed for my netgear router at 2.4 GHZ is reported as 216 where as its set as upto 600 mbps in settings. I also get other neighboring networks and I can see those at 300mbps in InSSIDer. Anything wrong?

Also at about 40 feet from my router with 2 6" concrete walls in between, on my laptop, though the signal is quite good on my laptop 3-4 bars and occasionally full 5 bars, the wifi network keeps disappearing on and off from the laptop under wifi search. i.e. all of a sudden the network disappears and reappears and reconnects, doesn't happen with my old Linksys WRT54G router. 

post #166 of 625
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First time posting in here. Keep up the great support Bob. It is refreshing to have helpful knowledge on a new product.

Keep us posted on what you find with the beta firmware. Beamforming is what I am after. That is why I bought this over all others. Didn't know it wasn't enabled yet.

Thanks and your are welcome. But thank Netgear as they pay me to monitor the forums and support the users.

Bob
post #167 of 625
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@BOB, on my dell latitude laptop. Its built in wifi is wifi G and when checking with InSSIDer, the max speed for my netgear router at 2.4 GHZ is reported as 216 where as its set as upto 600 mbps in settings. I also get other neighboring networks and I can see those at 300mbps in InSSIDer. Anything wrong?


Also at about 40 feet from my router with 2 6" concrete walls in between, on my laptop, though the signal is quite good on my laptop 3-4 bars and occasionally full 5 bars, the wifi network keeps disappearing on and off from the laptop under wifi search. i.e. all of a sudden the network disappears and reappears and reconnects, doesn't happen with my old Linksys WRT54G router. 

First are you using a R7000?

In wifi the network defaults to the slowest device unfortunately. So when you use a G device the net will throttle to that if that is what is being used. What you are seeing in your monitoring of other nets is the posted max of the device. And 600 means 300 each way. So max in theory dl for example is 300. If you are getting 200+ mbs you are fine.

Now the drop offs are of concern to me. First off if your laptop is G based then it is very old. You say you are getting good signal through the 2 concrete walls so that is good. When your laptop drops off do you have another device like a phone etc to see if it is your net or the device.

Lastly you may be having interference from other nets. Since you can see them they are present. You may try manually setting the 2.4 g channel to something else. But interference is the biggest issue in 2.4 g bands. Thats why every new tech is in the 5 ghz band.

You may want to consider buying an adapter for your laptop. The Netgear A6200 is a an AC usb adapter that is around $60.

Bob Silver
post #168 of 625
^ so Bob are you saying that if I have one wireless say g device that even if I had wireless ac devices I couldn't take advantage of it? It sounds like that is what you are saying. If it throttles everything down to that slowest speed. Or am I missing your point all together?
post #169 of 625
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^ so Bob are you saying that if I have one wireless say g device that even if I had wireless ac devices I couldn't take advantage of it? It sounds like that is what you are saying. If it throttles everything down to that slowest speed. Or am I missing your point all together?

Yes that is what I am saying. What you should do is create separate networks for you g and other devices. So in your case you would use the 5 ghz for media or high speed and use the 2.4 for the laptop. But as I said you can get a usb adapter that will solve all. Using G today is not a good idea with newer high speed routers.

Bob
post #170 of 625
Ok I really dont think I am using any g devices. But I have a ps3 and ps4, along with a couple others that only see the 2.4 band. I have my phone a Galaxy S4 a s3 my laptop and a Iphone 5c that finds the 5ghz band. And this is the way I have them running.

In Netgear genie in the network map my speeds are all over the place with my phone the S4 being the fastest. It says 433 Mbps. This is by far the fastest device. Any suggestions? I have auto channel set. I thought about changing this to certain channels with your suggestion of staying 5 apart. And thank again for all your help. I realy am a novice on all this stuff.
post #171 of 625
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Ok I really dont think I am using any g devices. But I have a ps3 and ps4, along with a couple others that only see the 2.4 band. I have my phone a Galaxy S4 a s3 my laptop and a Iphone 5c that finds the 5ghz band. And this is the way I have them running.

In Netgear genie in the network map my speeds are all over the place with my phone the S4 being the fastest. It says 433 Mbps. This is by far the fastest device. Any suggestions? I have auto channel set. I thought about changing this to certain channels with your suggestion of staying 5 apart. And thank again for all your help. I realy am a novice on all this stuff.

Well this is completely different than what you posted before.

Use the 5g band as you are. There isnt anything to set. Just enjoy it. The device speeds will vary based on the device, location etc. Dont fixate on it.

The channel setting is only for the 2.4 band. Since now that appears to be your PS3/4 and laptop set it to auto. Let the router handle the rest.

The final version of SW coming in Feb will add a performance boost too. But Id wait to the release then deal with the beta.

You are good to go as is.

Bob
post #172 of 625
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Well this is completely different than what you posted before.

Use the 5g band as you are. There isnt anything to set. Just enjoy it. The device speeds will vary based on the device, location etc. Dont fixate on it.

The channel setting is only for the 2.4 band. Since now that appears to be your PS3/4 and laptop set it to auto. Let the router handle the rest.

The final version of SW coming in Feb will add a performance boost too. But Id wait to the release then deal with the beta.

You are good to go as is.

Bob

Ok thank you again Bob
post #173 of 625

I am looking at the R7000 myself and was wondering if anyone has experience with the DLNA capabilites, say connecting a USB 3.0 HD and using DLNA to stream media to an Xbox One or any other media streaming experience?  

 

In general, every review I have seen between the R7000 and AC68U is a toss up.  So what would be the best between the two for the following, iif I may?

 

My use cases would be using a connected printer for printer sharing, connected HD for storage and DLNA streaming purposes, connection so PS4, XBox One, Laptop, 5 Android Devices randing from N7 2013, Moto X, etc.  Tons of Netflix, Amazon streaming with some Vudu and other mixed in (depending on who has the cheapest rental, xbox, vudu, ps store, hehe) and of course the almighty chromecast (omg i love this thing).

 

I also use IPVanish for VPN purposes, is OpenVPN client possible on stock firmware or is there aftermarket firmware allowing it?  Any and all help would be appreciated, I haven't had to look at routers in a while but have been trying to research what I can.  Plan on ordering one and USB 3.0 external drive today (replace my 2.0) so Amazon Prime can get it here by Wednesday.  Thanks to anyone who can help me out.


Edited by dems86 - 1/26/14 at 1:30pm
post #174 of 625
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I am looking at the R7000 myself and was wondering if anyone has experience with the DLNA capabilites, say connecting a USB 3.0 HD and using DLNA to stream media to an Xbox One or any other media streaming experience?  

In general, every review I have seen between the R7000 and AC68U is a toss up.  So what would be the best between the two for the following, iif I may?

My use cases would be using a connected printer for printer sharing, connected HD for storage and DLNA streaming purposes, connection so PS4, XBox One, Laptop, 5 Android Devices randing from N7 2013, Moto X, etc.  Tons of Netflix, Amazon streaming with some Vudu and other mixed in (depending on who has the cheapest rental, xbox, vudu, ps store, hehe) and of course the almighty chromecast (omg i love this thing).

I also use IPVanish for VPN purposes, is OpenVPN client possible on stock firmware or is there aftermarket firmware allowing it?  Any and all help would be appreciated, I haven't had to look at routers in a while but have been trying to research what I can.  Plan on ordering one and USB 3.0 external drive today (replace my 2.0) so Amazon Prime can get it here by Wednesday.  Thanks to anyone who can help me out.


Particularly for streaming the R7000 has a faster processor then does the Asus. So that alone would be to its advantage. Add to the significant software capabilities and general wifi performance I believe you will be well served by the R7000. As you can see from this thread there are many happy users. And yes the r7000 has a built in DLNA server. But for streaming itself I would look at Plex as a solution rather than DLNA.

Bob Silver Netgear AV Consultant
post #175 of 625

I'll be waiting for Plex app for XBox One/PS4, but until then its a no go.

 

Anyone know about OpenVPN client support?


Edited by dems86 - 1/26/14 at 2:45pm
post #176 of 625

Thank you Bobsilver. If there are any newer releases please post. I would like to test them out. :)

post #177 of 625
I've been very happy with the streaming from the R7000, though over 802.11n to my Sony BDP-BX510 (which claimed to feature faster wifi?) sometime stuttered on larger MKV (over 10GB and particularly the ones with a DTS audio track) but overall, the R7000 streams from the attached USB drive and my PC-shared drives to all my N speed components. Until today, I had no AC speed clients except for my Macbook. I just added a Netgear R6250 ($129 @ BB) in client bridge mode and now I'm getting speeds over 867Mbs, completely eliminating any stuttering.

Jailbroke my AppleTV2 and have been playing around with XBMC but so far find it buggy as it sometimes just reboots the ATV for no reason, though that's probably more me than anything else. I'll futz around with it some more and then will likely take Bob's advice, get a Roku 3 and run Plex just for the simplicity of it.

Larry
post #178 of 625
Went ahead and ordered my Nighthawk, 1TB my passport ultra, abs A Roku 3 (seems like the way to go with Plex, as suggested by bobsilver, Thanks Bob). Be here on Tuesday, so excited.

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post #179 of 625
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Originally Posted by bobsilver View Post


First are you using a R7000?

In wifi the network defaults to the slowest device unfortunately. So when you use a G device the net will throttle to that if that is what is being used. What you are seeing in your monitoring of other nets is the posted max of the device. And 600 means 300 each way. So max in theory dl for example is 300. If you are getting 200+ mbs you are fine.

Now the drop offs are of concern to me. First off if your laptop is G based then it is very old. You say you are getting good signal through the 2 concrete walls so that is good. When your laptop drops off do you have another device like a phone etc to see if it is your net or the device.

Lastly you may be having interference from other nets. Since you can see them they are present. You may try manually setting the 2.4 g channel to something else. But interference is the biggest issue in 2.4 g bands. Thats why every new tech is in the 5 ghz band.

You may want to consider buying an adapter for your laptop. The Netgear A6200 is a an AC usb adapter that is around $60.

Bob Silver

Dear Bob,

 

thanks for the reply. The signal dropping behavior so far I have only observed with my wifi G laptop, and it is very occasional. Secondly, regarding the channels, I found using inSSIDer that channel 6 is the least crowded (no overlaps at all) as most neighboring networks are either on channel 1 or 11. Thirdly regarding the adapter, the netgear adapter you recommended is usb 2.0 adapter, so theoretically wouldn't its speed be limited to 480mbps on usb 2.0 port. Compared to that is this a better option: http://www.amazon.com/Edimax-Wireless-AC1200-Adapter-EW-7822UAC/dp/B00BVRQEKG/ref=pd_cp_pc_1 . Since it is a usb 3.0 adapter and theoretical usb 3 bandwidth is upto 5 gbps. 

 

And also regarding the range of this router, my old linksys WRT54G (wifi G) router seems to easily match it.

Lastly, the manual of the router suggests to keep the 1st and 3rd antenna at 45 degrees angle for best performance. But what I have observed is upto a certain distance in my home (say 30-40 feet), keeping the 1st and 3rd antenna slightly outwards from 90 degrees gives better reception, but beyond that distance the 45 degrees arrangement seems better. I fail to understand this behavior and am confused how to set the antennas?

post #180 of 625
Thanks Bob for all your help on this thing(especially the firmware). I loaded up the beta and I am surprisingly impressed. It has been solid for me for a few days now. No reboots, wireless has been solid with no slowdowns and it seems like the QOS is working right(as far as I can see so far). It's nice to see they are headed in the right direction. The R7000 seems to have removed the gremlins in my setup that I had been seeing with the AC66U running things(as mentioned in my prior post). My streaming has been solid and my gaming has been smoother as well.

I wish Netgear would put out some of these interim beta release for more widespread trial, so people can test and give Netgear some feedback ahead of an actual release.
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