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post #31 of 520
Looks like LG failed again for their flagship model. I was hoping LG can get this right because I really like the passive 3D.
http://www.avforums.com/review/lg-la970w-uhd-tv-review.9441#sectionAnchor28070
post #32 of 520
I don't know what tv they reviewed but it is not the one I own. I have none of the issues they talk about.
post #33 of 520
There is no banding off axis. It has the best 3d I've ever seen. They can't have the same tv I have.
post #34 of 520
I hope I am in the right place to ask questions about my first LG purchase. I am thinking of buying the LG 50LA6970. It's available at a local membership store for $750. Is this a good TV for the price? Thank you.
post #35 of 520
Maybe the difference is I have the 55 inch panel and their reviewing the 65. Is there a different panel in the different sizes?
post #36 of 520
This thread is for the 4K Ultra sets. See this: http://www.avsforum.com/products/lg-electronics-55la9700-55-inch-4k-ultra-hd-240hz-3d-smart-led-tv
Lg also makes a lower price model of 4K that is edge lit LA9650 55 and 65 inch. See:http://www.lg.com/us/uhd-4k-tvs. Have not seen any reviews on the edge lit LA9650 model.
post #37 of 520
I got a look at the 55LA9700 at my local Frys today and I'm not sure what set the guy on that review site was looking at either. From about 10 feet I moved from side to side and at very reasonable angles I saw some very mild darkening of the center of the screen but nothing resembling what the reviewer noted. Of course the reviews of the Samsungs mention their poor viewing angles almost as an afterthought, which I find to be pretty appalling. There seems to be a real bias towards the Sammys as opposed to the LGs. I was very impressed with the 9700 and it is tempting but it was locked into the Uhd demo loop and it couldn't be attached to any other sources. I'd have to see some Blu-rays and HD broadcast material before I could really consider it.
post #38 of 520
Cal, I too looked at the set at the local Frys and also did not notice any major off axis problems. There was a lot of ambient light in the store, the review probably refers to the blacks levels in a dark room taking a hit at wider angles. Then again, my old Samsung LN55A950 was the cream of the crop full array local dimming set back when I bought it like 5 years ago, and it too has the same off axis glowing effect at wide angles, it is a non-issue in my mind.
The one thing I noticed is the finish on the screen seemed a little weird, almost like it had one of those plastic coverings that you peel off a screen when you buy it new...without the reflections and with bright content it would be unnoticeable but it definitely caught my eye in the store. The sony with its glass front was a completely different type of reflection.
They would not allow me to view the 3D at all (said they're not allowed to, it's a health and hygiene issue with the glasses) nor change the source. It really blows that we can't try anything out with the set before making such an expensive purchase.
I really want to compare this to the 9650, which is around $1500 less.
post #39 of 520
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Originally Posted by TallCoolOne View Post

Cal, I too looked at the set at the local Frys and also did not notice any major off axis problems. There was a lot of ambient light in the store, the review probably refers to the blacks levels in a dark room taking a hit at wider angles. Then again, my old Samsung LN55A950 was the cream of the crop full array local dimming set back when I bought it like 5 years ago, and it too has the same off axis glowing effect at wide angles, it is a non-issue in my mind.
The one thing I noticed is the finish on the screen seemed a little weird, almost like it had one of those plastic coverings that you peel off a screen when you buy it new...without the reflections and with bright content it would be unnoticeable but it definitely caught my eye in the store. The sony with its glass front was a completely different type of reflection.
They would not allow me to view the 3D at all (said they're not allowed to, it's a health and hygiene issue with the glasses) nor change the source. It really blows that we can't try anything out with the set before making such an expensive purchase.
I really want to compare this to the 9650, which is around $1500 less.

I'm pretty sure that LG has prohibited retailers from using anything other than its dongle with the UHD demo to display their sets. That bit about the 3D glasses doesn't ring true. Every big box store puts the passive glasses out for people to use. Too bad really. The big differences between the 9700 and the 9650 are the that the former has full array back-lighting (one of the very few these days) and the more advanced speaker system. I did see the 9650 at the Magnolia in the Best Buy in Fairfield and was very impressed with it as well. It was selling for 3K and I believe that Fry's had the 9700 down to 4K.yesterday (even though the web site still says 4499). The Sony XBR55X850A is now at 3K and looked pretty good. I did also see a 65" Panasonic UHDTV at the Magnolia showroom in San Ramon. It was playing a blu-ray but was set on Vivid with heavy smoothing on so it had the dreaded soap opera look. The image was, however, very bright and clear. When I put it into custom mode and played with some of the settings, the image did look more cinema like but lost a bit of "pop". Based on that, it would seem to me that before buying a UHD set, seeing how it handles, at the very least, 1080P Blu-rays is critical.
post #40 of 520
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Originally Posted by Cal1981 View Post

I'm pretty sure that LG has prohibited retailers from using anything other than its dongle with the UHD demo to display their sets. That bit about the 3D glasses doesn't ring true. Every big box store puts the passive glasses out for people to use. Too bad really. The big differences between the 9700 and the 9650 are the that the former has full array back-lighting (one of the very few these days) and the more advanced speaker system. I did see the 9650 at the Magnolia in the Best Buy in Fairfield and was very impressed with it as well. It was selling for 3K and I believe that Fry's had the 9700 down to 4K.yesterday (even though the web site still says 4499). The Sony XBR55X850A is now at 3K and looked pretty good. I did also see a 65" Panasonic UHDTV at the Magnolia showroom in San Ramon. It was playing a blu-ray but was set on Vivid with heavy smoothing on so it had the dreaded soap opera look. The image was, however, very bright and clear. When I put it into custom mode and played with some of the settings, the image did look more cinema like but lost a bit of "pop". Based on that, it would seem to me that before buying a UHD set, seeing how it handles, at the very least, 1080P Blu-rays is critical.

Yeah I've seen many stores that have the glasses out for people to try, so not sure about that policy either. I played with the Panasonic you mentioned at Best Buy quite a lot, the Best Buy in SF let me try anything I wanted. If you see the thread for that display you will see everyone complains of some faint bars in the image, and I noticed them too...it's a shame really because other than that the set is actually very impressive.

The Sony 850 is active 3d, it doesn't let you play 4k content via usb, 4k photos only through a PS3, native YouTube app doesn't do 4k...to me those should be obvious features for a 4k set, or don't put them in at all and sell the set for much less...no thanks Sony.

Back to the LG, I do know the differences on paper between the 9650 and 9700, but want to see the actual perceivable differences. Is the full array back light in this set worth $1500 more? Maybe I'll drive over to Fairfield and check out the 9650, thanks for the heads up. I don't care about the speaker system since I have a 5.1 setup already.
post #41 of 520
A new review of this set:

http://techau.com.au/review-lgs-deliciously-gorgeous-55-uhdtv-will-make-you-hate-1080p/

Doesn't seem as professional as some of the other reviews but more like a user's perspective...this user seems very impressed with black levels and off angle viewing...
post #42 of 520
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Originally Posted by TallCoolOne View Post

A new review of this set:

http://techau.com.au/review-lgs-deliciously-gorgeous-55-uhdtv-will-makeure -you-hate-1080p/

Doesn't seem as professional as some of the other reviews but more like a user's perspective...this user seems very impressed with black levels and off angle viewing...
Maybe a bit too enthusiatic. I got another look at the 9700 today. I still saw some darkening of the center of the image as I moved off center (wasn't really flattening, just looked darker). The overall picture was beautiful though and the speakers were very good. It was priced at 4500 and whether it's worth that for a 55" screen is an open question.
post #43 of 520
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2427711,00.asp

This is the only 4k at the moment that combines full array with passive 3D that isn't 5 figures, right?
post #44 of 520
Hello I'm new to the thread but I have been looking to purchasing a tv for a new room and I went with the lg 659700 I had a demo done running the lg and sony x900 side by side running the same 4k content and the lg blew the sony away ... **Note they did this against policy** ...even my girl noticed the PQ RIGHT AWAY let's face it women know nothing nor care also the PC Richardson employees even agrees hands down which was better ....( *note It was pretty impressive how sony has a 4k generator that splits one 4k signal into 2 how do you think they demo both X900 and 850 with using one media player... Seriously lg made sony media player look like trash on the x900)Samsung PQ was better then sony also and even though I couldn't compare the samsung it had good picture just some off axis viewing and the active 3D didn't interest me...(for debating purposes my girl and the 3 employees along with myself can vouch for no poor viewing angles ). Both sony and Samsung panels was to reflective and that was another reason I liked the lg it has a matte finish but the colors popped more then the sony shiny reflective screen must be that FALD but the picture had DEPTH MOST OF ALL. I have a pioneer kuro elite 50 I will be testing side by side when it arrives ... With that said I Basically ove my blacks black and colors to pop!! Getting back on track .. I have a well lit room so the lg won on that...another contender I considered WAS the panasonic (notice I said was !!! ) because it has hdmi 2.0 out the box and display port But they are having some serious banding problems it's in all the forums it's happening all over the world ... So I had this voice in the back of my mind saying ....""you don't even like LG products wtf am I doing " it's not that I'm bias but they never seem premium enough for my taste but this set is not only a good look sounds will also surprise you and sleek as hell with that retracting speaker ...but that FALD Really stood out when side by side with the sony ... And the setting was on vivid !!! Which is not the best setting... My only concern with this set is no hdmi 2.0 but from what I read here and what the Vice President of communication said they will have a solution for HDMI I mean let's face it with lg new attempts to reach the premium market they will have to conduct themselves as a company that keeps up with the times that being said I'm sure they will have a solution to the hdmi upgrade ... (Note to all!!! I called lg and Got in contact with there VIP SERVICE which actually new what they were talking about and they said of course they have no real answers yet but the manager told me a lot of people are calling about It so he is pretty sure they will have a answer soon and they even followed up with me days later ... Just shows they care enough about your concerns to follow up even though they may have no answer "" it would be a marketing blow to LG if they didn't address this issue not to mention they would loose the heart and soul of there business ... Which are CUSTOMERS !!!!!!!! Anyhow lg said they will address this issue for early adopters of the technology my guess is at CES ... So I listed what made this tv a better choice then the others not to mention there are several good reviews on the tv if you don't take price into consideration. But When it comes to new tech unfortunately you have to pay ... Tom my 9700 will arrive and I will let you know how it goes and I will see how it fairs against my "kuro elite"" after some mediocre calibrations....
post #45 of 520
Money, congrats on the tv...looking forward to your first impressions...this set is also the top runner on my list. Curious, did the store you went to also have the LG 9650? I haven't yet seen that one and really want to do a comparison between the 9700 and 9650 since the latter is $1500 cheaper. My guess is the FALD is where the 9700 stands out against other sets like you mentioned and the comparison will be similar to the sony/samsung.
post #46 of 520
Yeah I knew they came out with the 9650 but that wasn't on display !! Truthfully by the reviews I have red it wasn't to bad but I'm really trying to stay away from edge lit ... Because they seem to have light blooming on edges of screens in certain instances and I'm not a fan of the light compromising black levels coming from a pioneer plasma I need those black levels FALD is the best technology in getting these results out of LED tv.s more people should have made them but the technology itself cost money to implement that's the reason the price won't drop much at all...again the depth of FALD vs edge is no comparison... It was a visual feast.... No lie me my girl and the PC Richards employees got pulled in ...before I knew it I looked up and 5 min later we all are still looking At tv it was like a tranz 4k is indeed captivating .... You know a tv is better when people walked up and clearly pointed to the LG without knowing who made it .... My eyes didnt lie and niether did anyone who experienced it ... Seriously it got so crazy they had to disconnect it... Enough said !!!!!! As for the 9650 I have not seen it but I suggest if you are thinking of going that route you wait to see both for yourself.. But something I noticed is sony and lg both released cheaper versions to there mid size high end TV's (notice the trend) so I can only assume it's to make cheaper models to excite buyers... But because CES is right around the corner I'm not expecting newer models of any competitor to be much better then the 9700 as in specs because they have all stop making FALD TV's except Lg!!! Who knew!!! newer models will offer hdmi 2.0 and I'm sure they will solve the hdmi 2.0 problem for early adopters so I'm not worried but I can almost guarantee they won't drop another FALD set unless it's 40,000 like Samsung!!!! because it's expensive!! Edge lit are getting better but it's a cheaper tech...if you got that by next year you prob may regret it ....1500 may be worth having the only FALD 4k tv on the market that doesn't cost 40.000.. I have wondered if the 9700 is getting these good reviews at 30 FPS It just makes me think what HDMI 2.0 will unlock on a FALD SET at 60 FPS smile.gif)) but one cAn argue thAt the lg 849600 inch is (edge lit plus ) and that has gotten much appraisal ... I just don't know if it's the same edge lit that the 9650 have ..... Hmmmm!!!!!!! Either way edge lit is the future ..FALD will continue to cost more hands down with that sAid I hope I gave you something to think about
Edited by MoneyNCarbinex - 12/6/13 at 1:42pm
post #47 of 520


And so it begins .... smile.gif))
Out the box setting ... Also I have a pioneer sc-57 with pass threw off ...cable provided verizon !!

I was rather surprised at how it handles sports... Clear and crisp and when the camera pans I don't miss a step nor get that annoying judder sweeeeeeet... And I didn't even tweak the setting yet



Next a pick off kill zone on ps4 looks incredible !!!



Something I should note I came from a plasma pioneer and when put in game mode and I feel no difference ... Still adding up the body counts smile.gif


Edited by MoneyNCarbinex - 12/7/13 at 2:35am
post #48 of 520
So no motion blur that you can see watching basketball or football? And you haven't even activated any of the motion controls?
post #49 of 520
No I have not calibrated the tv yet !! I have yet to dive in. but I will today!! This is my first time with lg or any led tv for that matter !! I will update after calibrations ...but out the box settings are not to shabby at all....
post #50 of 520
After some calibration ...
Dark room test !!
HD battlefield verizon !









4k compressed streaming off YouTube






Showing off axis




Edited by MoneyNCarbinex - 12/7/13 at 2:09pm
post #51 of 520
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Originally Posted by MoneyNCarbinex View Post

After some calibration ...
Dark room test !!

4k compressed streaming off YouTube
Showing off axis

Thanks for all the pics! Great feedback!
Can you try your dark room test with a darker scene, something like many of the scenes in The Dark Knight or one of the Underworld movies? Also the off axis test with something bright on a dark screen (like credits at the end of a movie)?
Also in the pictures its obviously hard to see the details, but is that YouTube 4k video playing in 4k? Do you have access to the Quality setting in YouTube and can pick "Original" to get the 4k feed? I ask because I know the Sony and Samsung cannot play it in 4k.

Thanks again and congrats on the new set!
post #52 of 520
I can't choose quality but I searched up 4k videos and it shows the format of 4k in the top right corner here are a few more pics.. I'm still playing with the calibrations. Few things I should note on movies that have the black bars on top and bottom will show some blooming on edges but I have found ways to combat this problem unlike edge lit displays ...
For some reason lED TV NEED TO BE BROKEN IN FOR 1000 hours the lights need to be broken in... Keep this in mind !!! I first thought I had banding in the screen but it wasn't so I even uploaded a picture of Dubai sky dive in 4k compression off YouTube from a angle and there is no banding present...
But when u go way off angle and I mean way off there can be some halo present but who is gonna watch tv from that angle no one I know!!!! So it's not a problem for me.... From the angle I shot the credit scene is a good angle mind you know one will actually watch tv from that angle but there is not halo effect as you can see in pics but of course if you go further to a point where no one will honestly watch tv there is a halo effect ...
So Those are the only 2 downsides with this tv but again these are LED PROBLEMS not only subjected to this tv but all LED TV's in general ...What I have noticed is this tv has calibrations up the a$&$$!!!! So these problems can be tweaked... The picture is simply stunning ... Color accuracy AND Blacks reminds me of my pioneer kuro but PQ IS MUCH TIGHTER/SHARPER... even cable looks more inviting even tho it's 1080i ... Up scaler does a great job ... I hAd to turn my video pass thru off on the pioneer sc-57 cuz the it's trash compared to the upscaler on the 9700 and that's 2,000 a/v receiver .....




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Edited by MoneyNCarbinex - 12/7/13 at 5:39pm
post #53 of 520
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Originally Posted by MoneyNCarbinex View Post

I can't choose quality but I searched up 4k videos and it shows the format of 4k in the top right corner here are a few more pics

Wow that's very black, I can't even see your TV, and no blooming on the white text when viewed from the side...so what the hell are some of these negative reviews talking about? I have a feeling some of the reviewers calibrated their sets better than others...
well it looks pretty darn good to me...thanks for sharing!

Whenever you get around to it, can you also confirm that still pictures and videos from USB and/or the network show in 4k (again, they do not on the sony or samsung)..

thanks!
post #54 of 520
To answer your question my dealer gave me a USB stick with 4k still pictures and video and it works like a charm !!! Tv picks it up right away and streaming is flawlessly .....
Edited by MoneyNCarbinex - 12/8/13 at 8:37pm
post #55 of 520
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To answer your question my dealer gave me a USB stick with 4k still pictures and video and it works like a charm !!! Tv picks it up right away and streaming is flawlessly .....

awesome, thanks for doing all those tests, looks like a winner to me! now i wonder when they will announce their hdmi 2.0 plans for it...
post #56 of 520
Funny someone actually called me today from there VIP DEPARTMENT saying all hdmi announcements will be made next year ... My guess is CES ... I do have a question I been spending some time at the samsung thread confirming what I alrdy know about edge lit displays but I'm actually getting some clouding on the top left corner and top right corner but it only happens when there is something close to it ... Seems like the light emitting from the panel itself bleeds out on the the corners and I know edge lit does this also but the color are so luscious and blacks are so dark it's hard to think about going with a edge lit set I KNOW I WONT GET THESE BLACKS .... I noticed it when I was watching a movie with the black bars on the top and bottom ... And I turned the lights off and that's when i seen it even more..did it effect the picture no!! But again this is more a LCD LED TV PROBLEMS ... Damn light are to bright ....and the technology to filter FALD PANELS cost money .. Local dimming did lowered the lighting but it was still obvious because the tv was able to create deep rich blacks you could easily tell it was still lighting peaking out the corners ...but again these are LCD LED PANELS DOWN FALL ....Every LED TV DOES THIS NO MATTER THE MAKER !! So it made me wonder do I keep it ! Worst case My dealers is gonna switch my tv with a new LG 9700 before I try another tv that's how much I like what I see ... I can't get over the black and colors accuracy........ I really hope it was due to the installation guys putting pressure on all 4 corners of the screen when taking it out the box !!!

I tried to get it on a pic



But again it doesn't happen all the time here is another pic and there was no clouding present



Here is another pic of game play of dead rising 3


Edited by MoneyNCarbinex - 12/10/13 at 1:40am
post #57 of 520
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Originally Posted by TallCoolOne View Post

awesome, thanks for doing all those tests, looks like a winner to me! now i wonder when they will announce their hdmi 2.0 plans for it...

Check out the latest on the review !!! Just posted it let me know your thoughts ... Bottom line before I go with any other tv I'm gonna get a replacement in here first ... And if I really had to make a choice it would still be this vs any other tv on the market ...
post #58 of 520
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Originally Posted by funkc View Post

There is no banding off axis. It has the best 3d I've ever seen. They can't have the same tv I have.
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There is no banding off axis. It has the best 3d I've ever seen. They can't have the same tv I have.


I can concur theeeee best 3D experience money can buy next to imax 3D !! It's that good !!! Was watching GI Joe part 2 on cable 1080i and it looked immaculate I just need some native 3D movies now!!! Idk what playstation and Xbox are thinking for not making these new consoles 3D Rdy smdh !!!
May have to invest in the new Oppp :/
post #59 of 520
Those last few pictures are exactly what I didnt want to see. Those top corners should not even be illuminated in the picture you took frown.gif This set suffers the same issues as LG's older full array sets. They do the worst version of FALD compared to other brands. All LED sets do not suffer from clouding. I have a sony w900a which is edge lit and it has no clouding at all. LG really needs to step up their game, otherwise they wont last much longer in this competitive market.
post #60 of 520
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Originally Posted by *UFO* View Post

Those last few pictures are exactly what I didnt want to see. Those top corners should not even be illuminated in the picture you took frown.gif This set suffers the same issues as LG's older full array sets. They do the worst version of FALD compared to other brands. All LED sets do not suffer from clouding. I have a sony w900a which is edge lit and it has no clouding at all. LG really needs to step up their game, otherwise they wont last much longer in this competitive market.


Well that's not the best of new to me..seeing as how I never owned a LG PRODUCT B4 !!!
Again I need to say it does not happen on every black seen as you can see from pics ...now that I know they suffered from this on there earlier sets it makes sense ... I thought maybe the installation guys put to much pressure on the 4 corners of the television during unpacking. the manual clearly states not to apply pressure to the screen corners cuz it can give it that glow " again I will update all once I get the new panel here ...I must say that this is the panels only downfall... frown.gif Had it not had this problem it would be perfect ... I don't know much about there TV's accept for the 4k models but these are the cream of the crop ...USB 3.0 h.265 when others are at h.264 and of course it has the tuner built in for 4k broadcasting... The screen may have these problems but I have read people who own sony and samsung and have been plagued with the same exact problem on there 4k models that is !!! But clouding/ blooming, is a LCD LED ANOMALY.. Prone to LCD lED don't be fooled you may have gotten a good set ... But I assure you all these manufactures have problems .... No one tv is perfect ...so you have to go with the panels with the most connectivity and the least problems with near perfect picture quality ... But one thing that is not up for debate .. FALD TECHNOLOGY VS EGDLE LIT. Is no comparison ... Tv has more depth then my pioneer kuro which is a reference HDTV plasma . iv seen edge lit displays from every vendor but the blacks were not dark enough ... FALD is the savior to LCD LED TV ....FALD could really make LCD LED TV SHINE TO ITS FULLEST POTENTIAL ... BUT ITS EXPENSIVE TO MAKE ... Edge lit is a bandaid approach to the solution ... Even sony FALD panel was prob the best tv to be FALD PANEL made and it to suffered from clouding issues in the corners ... Depending on who you ask...bottom line I would not go with any other manufacture right now .. This tech cost way more then what LG IS SELLING IT FOR. Sure it has blooming in the corners but maybe just maybe and I'm hoping it's just this tv:(....
Sony has a hardware block on there USB and there only maxed out at 1080... Because they force you to buy there media player but I can let you in on a little secrete the LG HAS THE ABILITY TO READ SONY MEDIA PLAYER ... GIVEN YOU HAVE A 4k generators to split one signal into 2 ... How do you think I seen the same media stream off the sony stream on the LG ... IT IS POSSIBLE and trust me the employees at PC Richardson had no clue what they were doing were doing .... All he did was plug the hdmi from the back of the LG INTO THE 4K GENERATOR ... And boom same exact picture running on a tv that sony claims can't read there media player .... Me and my dealer will find out how this was able to happen ... Read my first review on the tv it made sony trimullious technology look like Lego blocks...... And as in features this wins hands down .... True passive cinema 3D .not that sony gimmick...I may not like the corners clouding but it actually performs on par with my pioneer which for a tv that's was brought it 2008 is still the go to tv ... On another note if the next tv demonstrates the same clouding then I will have to make a really hard decision
... It's not that it bothers me it's just that after spending so much on a tv you want no defects and I have to find out if this is indeed a defect or this is something all there panels suffer from .... To be continued ...
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