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post #31 of 215
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Originally Posted by RicFlair View Post

Samsung a far better peak brightness & as good or better blacks plus better color spacing....


And where did you get that info? The latest reviews from CNET, show measurements from both manufacturers that are close, but deeper black levels and contrast go to the S60 and better color gamut have gone to the Samsung 5500. Review.com's measurements also showed better contrast and blacks for the Panny. Color gamut was a notch better on the S60, compared to both the 5300 and 5500 where they found slight flaws. If you actually compare most of the sets you probably will find that they vary from model to model and set to set. Bottom line, neither brand wins here.



Ian
Edited by mailiang - 10/18/13 at 3:44pm
post #32 of 215
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Originally Posted by mailiang View Post

And where did you get that info? The latest reviews from CNET, show measurements from both manufacturers that are close, but deeper black levels and contrast go to the S60 and better color gamut have gone to the Samsung 5500. Review.com's measurements also showed better contrast and blacks for the Panny. Color gamut was a notch better on the S60, compared to both the 5300 and 5500 where they found slight flaws. If you actually compare most of the sets you probably will find that they vary from model to model and set to set. Bottom line, neither brand wins here.



Ian
which is a loss for Panny aka the Plasma King
post #33 of 215
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Originally Posted by RicFlair View Post

which is a loss for Panny aka the Plasma King

Samsung has always been competitive in terms of over all picture quality, but Panasonic always cornered the market internationally. However, since all PDP sales are way down and they are getting out of building them to produce OLED's, that's become a mute point.


Ian wink.gif
Edited by mailiang - 10/18/13 at 8:37pm
post #34 of 215
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Originally Posted by RicFlair View Post

Samsung a far better peak brightness & as good or better blacks plus better color spacing....

I can't attest to peak brightness, but neither set will have any issues achieving optimal brightness (35 to 40fl for my tastes) for a dark or dim room, which is probably the recommended room for both sets considering the lack of an AR filter on both models (unless you get the wharehouse versions with filters). The black levels are quite similar, but I doubt 5300 is better. Color space is probably better out of the box on the Panasonic, it wasn't horrible on my 5300 out of the box but it wasn't great either. Luckily it has a full CMS so I was able to dial it in perfectly.
post #35 of 215
I'm actually thinking of picking up the 60 5350! For my basement - would love to see your pic settings .
post #36 of 215
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Originally Posted by RicFlair View Post

I'm actually thinking of picking up the 60 5350! For my basement - would love to see your pic settings .

If you do, would you please take a few pics of it, especially how it handles glare?

Something like this - http://www.rtings.com/info/what-is-a-plasma-anti-glare-filter
post #37 of 215
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Originally Posted by Kurtangletn View Post

If you do, would you please take a few pics of it, especially how it handles glare?

Something like this - http://www.rtings.com/info/what-is-a-plasma-anti-glare-filter
Okay but I actually have the perfect Plasma setting - I high hat lighting , that is dim & I have a "TV wall " where the drop ceiling breaks off into a lower drop and that almost acts as a visor? is the best way I can describe it. An LED would actually be a waste here because this is the perfect "movie room : setting but I will do.

Tuesday or Thursday I should have it.
post #38 of 215
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Originally Posted by RicFlair View Post

I'm actually thinking of picking up the 60 5350! For my basement - would love to see your pic settings .

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1476482/samsung-pn60f5300-calibration-settings


I think you will be pleased with it. See the link above for my calibration settings.
post #39 of 215
My concern now on this set is the input lag - rtings.com says the lag is terrible?
post #40 of 215
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http://www.displaylag.com/display-database/

This has it at 47ms which is "Okay" I suppose about average. Considering most people consider the ST50 to be a fast TV at 40ms I doubt most people will notice.
post #41 of 215
I'm pretty interested in this set, anyone here own one? Pictures? I'm looking for a basic, "good" plasma at 60". Some sort of AR coating is important. I thought the panasonic s64 would have been perfect but 65" is way too big.

5350 is only sold at Sams club, correct? I hate when they do that!
post #42 of 215
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Originally Posted by jwc13ac View Post

I'm pretty interested in this set, anyone here own one? Pictures? I'm looking for a basic, "good" plasma at 60". Some sort of AR coating is important. I thought the panasonic s64 would have been perfect but 65" is way too big.

5350 is only sold at Sams club, correct? I hate when they do that!
It's at BJ's wholesale club - I saw it tonite again in Best Buy ; it is what it is, a plane jane Plasma. NO Smart TV no Filter I don't think suspect Lag. Blacks I've read are really good. It looked nice @ BB.
I'm just not ready to buy it because of the possible lag.
post #43 of 215
I've had my 60 inch pn -5300 for four months and have had no problems with it, except for the well noted light glare on the screen. After hearing about panasonic exiting plasma production, I kinda wish I would have bought one of those, but I can't complain about my samsung for the money I saved.
post #44 of 215
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Originally Posted by jwc13ac View Post

I'm pretty interested in this set, anyone here own one? Pictures? I'm looking for a basic, "good" plasma at 60". Some sort of AR coating is important. I thought the panasonic s64 would have been perfect but 65" is way too big.

5350 is only sold at Sams club, correct? I hate when they do that!

It's also in stock at BJ's.

There does seem to be at least some difference between the F5350 and F5300, the F5350 features an "Ultra Clear Panel" while the F5300 does not (according to Samsung chat reps) Whether the Ultra Clear Panel is an anti reflective coating or not I'm not sure.

In both the descriptions of "Clear Image Panel" and "Ultra Clear Panel" they mention anti reflective so who knows.

It's probably a safe bet, considering that it's specifically made for BJ's and Sam's Club and the history of them getting AR models.

Still waiting for someone to get this TV and let us know!

Edit - Just to add a bit more, as mentioned before I own a 2010 PN50C680 which has a "Ultra Clear Panel", and that set is extremely effective in any lighting situation (in fact I had no idea until I saw my friend's F5300 what people were talking about when they said Plasmas had glare) I wasn't too sure if it was the Ultra Clear Panel that was causing it to be so good in bright areas or if was something else but when looking up my model they do sometimes mention "Ultra Clear Panel Glare Minimizer".

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/731334-REG/Samsung__PN50C680_50_1080p_3D.html

Like here..

So I'm a lot more confident that it does have an anti glare filter.

If an S64 doesn't pop up in the next month again at Costco or Sam's Club (or there isn't any Black Friday leaks for the S60) I'll probably go ahead and get this TV and let everyone know.
Edited by Kurtangletn - 10/21/13 at 10:14pm
post #45 of 215
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Originally Posted by Kurtangletn View Post

It's also in stock at BJ's.

There does seem to be at least some difference between the F5350 and F5300, the F5350 features an "Ultra Clear Panel" while the F5300 does not (according to Samsung chat reps) Whether the Ultra Clear Panel is an anti reflective coating or not I'm not sure.

In both the descriptions of "Clear Image Panel" and "Ultra Clear Panel" they mention anti reflective so who knows.

It's probably a safe bet, considering that it's specifically made for BJ's and Sam's Club and the history of them getting AR models.

Still waiting for someone to get this TV and let us know!

Edit - Just to add a bit more, as mentioned before I own a 2010 PN50C680 which has a "Ultra Clear Panel", and that set is extremely effective in any lighting situation (in fact I had no idea until I saw my friend's F5300 what people were talking about when they said Plasmas had glare) I wasn't too sure if it was the Ultra Clear Panel that was causing it to be so good in bright areas or if was something else but when looking up my model they do sometimes mention "Ultra Clear Panel Glare Minimizer".

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/731334-REG/Samsung__PN50C680_50_1080p_3D.html

Like here..

So I'm a lot more confident that it does have an anti glare filter.

If an S64 doesn't pop up in the next month again at Costco or Sam's Club (or there isn't any Black Friday leaks for the S60) I'll probably go ahead and get this TV and let everyone know.



The 5350 is a 5300 re-labeled for wholesale club warehouse distribution. http://www.samsung.com/us/video/tvs/PN51F5350AFXZA


Ian
post #46 of 215
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Originally Posted by mailiang View Post

The 5350 is a 5300 re-labeled for wholesale club warehouse distribution. http://www.samsung.com/us/video/tvs/PN51F5350AFXZA


Ian

Indeed, what we're trying to determine is if it added an anti glare filter or not. Much like they have in the past and Panasonic did with the S60 and S64.

If you look at the specs of the F5350 TVs they all mention Ultra Clear Panel

http://www.samsung.com/us/video/tvs/PN51F5350AFXZA-specs

Where as the F5300 does not..

http://www.samsung.com/us/video/tvs/PN51F5300AFXZA-specs

This seems to be true with the larger versions of each TV as well.
post #47 of 215
I saw the F5350 today and Lemme tell ya - it's a mirror. If that has an anti reflective panel it's not working. I saw it in BJ's again today because I am considering it. However I'm not even worried about the glare - it's the poor lag numbers that have been reported.

This TV meets all my wants. huge, Plasma, 600 mhz, but the lag has me on the fence.
post #48 of 215
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Originally Posted by RicFlair View Post

I saw the F5350 today and Lemme tell ya - it's a mirror. If that has an anti reflective panel it's not working. I saw it in BJ's again today because I am considering it. However I'm not even worried about the glare - it's the poor lag numbers that have been reported.

This TV meets all my wants. huge, Plasma, 600 mhz, but the lag has me on the fence.

Were you able to take any pictures?
post #49 of 215
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Originally Posted by Kurtangletn View Post

Were you able to take any pictures?
No? but I can tell you the 5350 looked glossy. However it was under a lot of lights - so that's a big factor.
post #50 of 215
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Originally Posted by Kurtangletn View Post

Indeed, what we're trying to determine is if it added an anti glare filter or not. Much like they have in the past and Panasonic did with the S60 and S64.

If you look at the specs of the F5350 TVs they all mention Ultra Clear Panel

http://www.samsung.com/us/video/tvs/PN51F5350AFXZA-specs

Where as the F5300 does not..

http://www.samsung.com/us/video/tvs/PN51F5300AFXZA-specs

This seems to be true with the larger versions of each TV as well.


But the description page calls it the Clear Image Panel. confused.gif I've seen both and I don't see a difference. I did a direct comparison today with the 5300 and Panasonic S60, both set up in the cinema/movie modes and regardless of how I adjusted each set, the S60 was actually brighter, despite what some reviews have said, and offered much better contrast. The Samsung has more controls and features, but the Panasonic definitely has the edge in PQ.


Ian
Edited by mailiang - 10/22/13 at 9:38pm
post #51 of 215
I have been considering this TV for a cheap buy since my 46a650 LCD from samsung messed up now (good TV). 3D would of been nice but not needed, have xbox for apps and I prefer the same color stand over the graphite stand of the f5500.

I went by costco and they had it in display and comparing it to the f5300 it definitely it is different.

I would say the screen is more like the screen of my old 46a650 LCD. That LCD has the ultra clear panel which I love (love glossy screens for PQ increase) and it could be they are using some type of ultra clear panel.

Regardless I would have to take it home and check but I'm sure the 5350 will be some improvement over the 5300. It will be in a dim room for me so I do not care as much on the anti-reflection so if whatever they added hope it improves PQ like how ultra clear panels did on the a650 vs a550 LCD which did not have it. smile.gif


Now one thing I do not understand is why displaylag.com recorded the f5300 in having 47ms of input lag when the f5500 has 37-38ms of input lag? With the f5300 not having smart apps and 3D would not it mean less crap to deal with so it should be the same or lower input lag than the f5500?

Regardless those tests were with leo bodnar device which throws higher readings than the picture method (plasma also throws it off a bit from some reading I'm seeing) so averaging 40ms should be like under 20ms with the picture method.

Trying to decide if I should pony up an extra 200 bucks for 60" considering it is a pentil display.
post #52 of 215
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Originally Posted by RicFlair View Post

I saw the F5350 today and Lemme tell ya - it's a mirror. If that has an anti reflective panel it's not working. I saw it in BJ's again today because I am considering it. However I'm not even worried about the glare - it's the poor lag numbers that have been reported.

This TV meets all my wants. huge, Plasma, 600 mhz, but the lag has me on the fence.

The input lag was listed as Okay on DisplayLag.com, I play games on it and have no issues at all playing Halo and Gears of War online. It's very similar to any plasma I've ever played on.

If input lag is a huge concern, then you are not going to want any recent plasma
post #53 of 215
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Originally Posted by felonyr301 View Post

I have been considering this TV for a cheap buy since my 46a650 LCD from samsung messed up now (good TV). 3D would of been nice but not needed, have xbox for apps and I prefer the same color stand over the graphite stand of the f5500.

I went by costco and they had it in display and comparing it to the f5300 it definitely it is different.

I would say the screen is more like the screen of my old 46a650 LCD. That LCD has the ultra clear panel which I love (love glossy screens for PQ increase) and it could be they are using some type of ultra clear panel.

Regardless I would have to take it home and check but I'm sure the 5350 will be some improvement over the 5300. It will be in a dim room for me so I do not care as much on the anti-reflection so if whatever they added hope it improves PQ like how ultra clear panels did on the a650 vs a550 LCD which did not have it. smile.gif


Now one thing I do not understand is why displaylag.com recorded the f5300 in having 47ms of input lag when the f5500 has 37-38ms of input lag? With the f5300 not having smart apps and 3D would not it mean less crap to deal with so it should be the same or lower input lag than the f5500?

Regardless those tests were with leo bodnar device which throws higher readings than the picture method (plasma also throws it off a bit from some reading I'm seeing) so averaging 40ms should be like under 20ms with the picture method.

Trying to decide if I should pony up an extra 200 bucks for 60" considering it is a pentil display.


BJ's has the 60'' for only $699.00.


Ian wink.gif
post #54 of 215
Will what do you mean any recent plasma ? Does t plasma do video & gaming best ?

Best plasma tv had the @ 70 to almost 100 !!????

Clarification really needs to be given here .
post #55 of 215
Really close to picking his up Friday. The BJs deal is legit! Questions though;

Again, anyone compare this to a 5300 or 5500 in terms of glare? I know a samsung rep said it had one, but is that true? I'm not looking for the best but a small improvement would be nice.

Does this have an hookup for firmware updates? Looks like the 5500 gets a few, wonder if this would apply to the dumb models.
post #56 of 215
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Originally Posted by RicFlair View Post

Will what do you mean any recent plasma ? Does t plasma do video & gaming best ?

Best plasma tv had the @ 70 to almost 100 !!????

Clarification really needs to be given here .

Alot of newer TV's have alot of intense video processing that can introduce lag. Particularly the popular ST60 from Panasonic has an alarmingly bad input lag.

I'm no expert on this matter.

Displaylag.com is you best resource on this. CNET has recently started adding that as part of their reviews as well.

From my experience, there is no issue with input lag on the F5300.
post #57 of 215
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Really close to picking his up Friday. The BJs deal is legit! Questions though;

Again, anyone compare this to a 5300 or 5500 in terms of glare? I know a samsung rep said it had one, but is that true? I'm not looking for the best but a small improvement would be nice.

Does this have an hookup for firmware updates? Looks like the 5500 gets a few, wonder if this would apply to the dumb models.

Neither model has an AR filter, so they should be identical.

You have use a USB thumbdrive for Firmware updates on the 5300, there have a been a couple that you can get off the website, but they did not seem to change anything overtly.
post #58 of 215
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Originally Posted by will7046 View Post

Neither model has an AR filter, so they should be identical.

Are we sure about this?

We do know it has an Ultra Clear Panel, which I think has anti-glare in it?

I wish Sam's had this in store...
post #59 of 215
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Originally Posted by Kurtangletn View Post

Are we sure about this?

We do know it has an Ultra Clear Panel, which I think has anti-glare in it?

I wish Sam's had this in store...

Nevermind, I though he was asking for a comparison between the 5300 and the step up 5500. I have absolutely no idea if the BJ's model has a filter. If I saw it I would probably be able to tell, but I don't have a membership yet.
post #60 of 215
I was there again today and I'm SO close on this TV, 60 inch TV for $699 - the picture looks fantastic - they had a dinosaurs video playing and then they had a preview of a show on NBC or something on a loop...and at the end there's like an explosion and the Plasma shows EVERY sparkle fall whereas the LED which is the 6350 Sammy right next to , misses that aspect totally and completely ....

How can I check lag at the store, I wonder if they'd let me get there early and hook a 360 up lol...
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