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Sorry for the crappy photo however I knew that I would be happy with either sub I chose and I just figured with HSU 45 min away from me, to avoid shipping and to have them almost in my backyard made it a no brainer for purchasing.


I had to stick the CM5's on top for two reasons. My old sanus stands weren't high enough and it really didn't let these speakers sparkle for me. Now that they are higher up and more to ear level, with the audessy, they are too bright. I need to futz around with them more to flatten out the high frequency response but I am not understanding quit yet how to adjust eq settings with the denon.. just more reading I suppose


Im not going to lie, I was listening to these earlier and these subs have me a headache. I will be listening to them with very low gain otherwise its just overpowering. I mean they dont kid you when they say thiese things will make your heart almost stop..

Geez I am OLD!!!

My speaker stands are 10" tall and I place the stands atop my RBH subs.

Yeah, turn the sub gain on the subs way down.

It seems most of us go overkill on subs and everything else. But the main purpose of multiple subs is to smooth out bass response, not overkill SPL. biggrin.gif

Audyssey Dynamic EQ helps a lot with the bass.

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My speaker stands are 10" tall and I place the stands atop my RBH subs.

Yeah, turn the sub gain on the subs way down.

It seems most of us go overkill on subs and everything else. But the main purpose of multiple subs is to smooth out bass response, not overkill SPL. biggrin.gif

Audyssey Dynamic EQ helps a lot with the bass.

So your bookshelves go above ear level? I was always under the impression we wanted to keep those ear level?
post #63 of 68
My understanding is that the most important thing is to have the tweeters at ear level because high frequencies are more directional.
post #64 of 68
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So your bookshelves go above ear level? I was always under the impression we wanted to keep those ear level?

Yes, but that's why it's good to have good vertical (& horizontal) off-axis. biggrin.gif

I hear no ill effects when the tweeters are above ear level.

The Salon2 stands about 54" high & the tweeters are above ear level.

They also make 5" stands.

http://www.standsandmounts.com/woodtechnology55inchspeakerstandswt-55.aspx
post #65 of 68
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Yeah Im not exactly liking the set up of these sitting right on top of the cabinets but I am no going to fret too much over it. They will continue to be for sale and I will be sittin by waiting for those ascend 2's to hit the market
post #66 of 68
1x Hsu VTF 15 will be fine for your room. Just get a audessey or berringer if you want the your frequency to be smooth as possible for bass.

One thing I can tell you from that set-up is take the subs off the speakers and place them properly right next to eachother. Stack'em next to eachother if you must keep 2 subs.Thats the proper way to do it. Subs positioned like that can do more bad than good by canceling eachother out.

Speakers on top of subs will cause all sorts of distorted reverbs and resonances. Especially a sub like the VTF 15 with good output. That is why people get heavy dense stands to make the cabinets and sorroundings as dead as possible. So the speakers can sing of the source without any colorization. That is why people get room treatments as well. To kill the reflections by making the room a bit dead.

You are doing it the opposite way.biggrin.gif
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1x Hsu VTF 15 will be fine for your room. Just get a audessey or berringer if you want the your frequency to be smooth as possible for bass.

One thing I can tell you from that set-up is take the subs off the speakers and place them properly right next to eachother. Stack'em next to eachother if you must keep 2 subs.Thats the proper way to do it. Subs positioned like that can do more bad than good by canceling eachother out.

Speakers on top of subs will cause all sorts of distorted reverbs and resonances. Especially a sub like the VTF 15 with good output. That is why people get heavy dense stands to make the cabinets and sorroundings as dead as possible. So the speakers can sing of the source without any colorization. That is why people get room treatments as well. To kill the reflections by making the room a bit dead.

You are doing it the opposite way.biggrin.gif


I have no room for the stands anymore, I have the speakers decoupled from the subs so there wont be any issues sonically there.
post #68 of 68
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Naim101,

I am not sure of your logic in coming to your conclusion -- The layered bamboo we use is actually stiffer than birch ply. It is also considerably more expensive. With regard to wood materials, I know of no other material that is stiffer/stronger than bamboo. Besides being beautiful and a true "green" material, compared to MDF (which is similar in density), bamboo ply has 8 times greater compressive strength, and slightly greater than 10 times the bulk stiffness-to-weight ratio. The Sierra series cabinets are more comparable to the Vapor Cirrus cabinets, which use layered birch ply.

Sorry, just have to make the point that the Sierra cabinets are nothing like the Vapor Cirrus cabinets. The Sierra is a walled box with internal bracing, the Cirrus is a CNC'd stacked lamination construction ... similar to the original Magico Mini. No comparison. We've even made CNC'd stacked Bamboo lamination cabinets, and yes it is nice stuff. Even the best Bamboo is full of voids compared to Baltic (or Euro) Birch Ply however, which greatly complicates use in that type of construction. But if you're using it to make a typical walled box construction, you'd probably never even notice the voids.
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