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post #211 of 475
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Originally Posted by Weboh View Post

CES 2014 should be interesting. I think someone gave Sony and Panasonic an insider hint though. I suspect their idea might be the best. Panasonic has for years burrowed or taken innovations from an American inventor who has an interest in designing plasma tvs. I wonder if he switched to innovating diode based displays.
What is this Americans name?
post #212 of 475
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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

What is this Americans name?
I'll have to search. I want my facts straight.
post #213 of 475
He actually attended the Value Electronics shootout earlier this year (yes, the name escapes me also).
post #214 of 475
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Originally Posted by Weboh View Post

I'll have to search. I want my facts straight.

Are you talking about Dr. Larry Weber?
post #215 of 475
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Dr. Larry Weber, inventor of the modern plasma TV complements VE on our Shootout & makes a presentation. Dr. Weber said VE's Shootout evaluation style is the only accurate way to evaluate displays.

I need to reread the material to see if he was directly involved with Panasonic or just helping out everyone in the plasma TV business.
post #216 of 475
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Originally Posted by RandyWalters View Post

Are you talking about Dr. Larry Weber?
Evidently, but maybe you can set the record straight.
post #217 of 475
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Originally Posted by vinnie97 View Post

He actually attended the Value Electronics shootout earlier this year (yes, the name escapes me also).

Dr. Septimus Pretorius, an odd and rather disturbing fellow.........
post #218 of 475
eh, Vinnie, why in the world would you buy a Samsung ne year after a zt60 is the zt60 is so great?
post #219 of 475
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Originally Posted by par4 View Post

Dr. Septimus Pretorius, an odd and rather disturbing fellow.........
lol What?...like Dracula or something?
post #220 of 475
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Originally Posted by somelogin View Post

eh, Vinnie, why in the world would you buy a Samsung ne year after a zt60 is the zt60 is so great?
Probably wouldn't...finances would be/are shot. If Samsung somehow achieved Kuro 500M/101FD black levels, you just can't imagine how extreme the temptation would be.eek.gif
post #221 of 475
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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

lol What?...like Dracula or something?

No. You must be confusing him with the inimitable R.M. Renfield, a truly strange character with a rather peculiar eating disorder.
post #222 of 475
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Originally Posted by vinnie97 View Post

Probably wouldn't...finances would be/are shot. If Samsung somehow achieved Kuro 500M/101FD black levels, you just can't imagine how extreme the temptation would be.eek.gif
I don't see how the difference between 111 and 101 blacks could be so big as to be tempting to sell a zt60 to get the 101 after selling a 111. I remember d-nice said the 101 had deeper blacks in low light scenes and environments, but I bet almost nobody would be watching something on a 101 and think "wow, this looks great" and not say it had they been watching a 111. If so, then the 111 is overrated and I should have got a 101. I don't see how it could be noticeable enough to you to tempt you, or that would mean that the 111 and zt60 could not be even close to the measurements claimed.
post #223 of 475
Btw, if you so badly want 101fd level blacks, some crazies are selling some on ebay for around $3k USED and $6k new. lol We should bet on whether anyone will buy either one at those prices EVER.
post #224 of 475
heh, the ZT60 was just a size upgrade for me, and that's okay, because it was more than warranted at 10 feet out. I was never able to see the Elite monitors side by side with the Elite TVs, but those who did around the time of their release claimed they could see the difference, even if it was minor. If you can get D-Nice to stop by for a calibration, the 111FD can be made to match the factory levels of the aforementioned panels (0.0005 fL). The Sharp Elite LED panels achieve 0.0004 fL, and given the right content (horror, sci-fi), these levels can certainly be beneficial/appreciated over the stock 111FD/VT60/ZT60 levels.
post #225 of 475
Someone claimed the sharp elites had "come down in price" and were worthy of consideration and now I see the 60 inch is still like $6k! That's not what I call a huge discount.

Well you should have convinced me to get a 101 then. I told you I was considering both. Only problem is at the time there was no 101 I could get. My cousin was going to be right where a guy from this site with a 101 for sale is, but the guy would not call me back, so I assume either it was sold or he wasn't in a rush to sell it. Early on, threads on this site about the differences in the 101 and 111 had everyone claiming they had the exact same picture quality. I did know the 101 was later said to have deeper blacks, only in certain content and certain lighting. I guess I could always buy one later on, but I am in enough trouble as it is being stuck with 2 111s.
post #226 of 475
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Originally Posted by vinnie97 View Post

To suggest OLED can overheat more easily than plasma defies the imagination, considering OLED only uses a fraction of the power that plasma uses.

I held my hand above the Samsung OLED in our local store (I thought it might be impolite to touch it). I didn't feel any extra warmth (i.e., above room temperature) whatsoever. I would think it probably runs quite cool.
post #227 of 475
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Originally Posted by fluxo View Post

I held my hand above the Samsung OLED in our local store (I thought it might be impolite to touch it). I didn't feel any extra warmth (i.e., above room temperature) whatsoever. I would think it probably runs quite cool.
But the blue diodes burn-out. Burning in dark blue images. And the response time is slower than Plasma. Somebody at CNet did his research and said it's faster.

I want to see durability first from the godtech of OLED, but I alas I am a blasphemer who thinks you can make a good TV with one complex diode.
post #228 of 475
If the only way I could see Alabama playing for the National Championship was on edge-lit LCD that sucks I would just not watch the game on TV--I'd listen to Eli Gold on the Tide Radio network!

I have principles and one of those principles is not to eat LCD sewage!

LCD type people are like Alabama Crimson Tide Haters. They're forever jealous of plasma's and Alabama's superiority and greatness!

Roll Tide Roll!

My favorite quote from Broadway Joe Namath: "I wasn't always good--but I never was boring".

LCD is BOTH bad and boring!
post #229 of 475
Overheating and the aging attributes of blue diodes, two loosely related but definitely separate topics. Enough with this conflation! Thanks for the report, fluxo.
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Originally Posted by somelogin View Post

Someone claimed the sharp elites had "come down in price" and were worthy of consideration and now I see the 60 inch is still like $6k! That's not what I call a huge discount.

Well you should have convinced me to get a 101 then. I told you I was considering both. Only problem is at the time there was no 101 I could get. My cousin was going to be right where a guy from this site with a 101 for sale is, but the guy would not call me back, so I assume either it was sold or he wasn't in a rush to sell it. Early on, threads on this site about the differences in the 101 and 111 had everyone claiming they had the exact same picture quality. I did know the 101 was later said to have deeper blacks, only in certain content and certain lighting. I guess I could always buy one later on, but I am in enough trouble as it is being stuck with 2 111s.
Well, of course that deeper black won't always be visible, especially with higher contrast content...the more dark content there is on-screen, the more obvious lower mll will be. smile.gif I regretted my 111FD purchase ever since I found out the 101FD/500Ms would go blacker. It was always a nagging "what if" in my mind. This information is widely available on the web. The hell was I thinking for slipping up as your personal research assistant? biggrin.gif
Edited by vinnie97 - 10/15/13 at 11:29pm
post #230 of 475
If it's noticeable then like I said the 111 was exaggerated because the number claimed to be its black level could not be true if it's very noticeable that another is lower. If my first 111's level was proper, then it's nowhere near as black as people claim because like I have said before, a st50 looked much much darker than my 111. It doesn't matter that it's based on memory only. I know for a fact that I never suspected anything wrong with the st50 levels. SO if my 111 was proper, then a proper 111 level is nowhere near the measurement claimed on sites.

I'll be lucky if my second one works properly because suddenly the guy is not answering me and did not give em the tracking number for the panel, only the number for the stand.

ALso, Alabama is allowed in the championship game no matter what they do, so of course some get tired of it, such as a couple years ago where they didn't even make it to their conference championship game and I believe Saban himself had said before then that nobody should be allowed into the championship if they couldn't win their own conference championship.
post #231 of 475
Nothing was exaggerated....it's a fact that it's 0.001 fL, and no plasma until the 2013 Panasonics have been able to compare. What you can detect or recollect seeing is not germane to this fact. If you are displeased with it in comparison to the ST50, it just confirms your long-held suspicions of the 111FD being defective.

Enough windmill-tilting already, and that's all I'll say on this threadjacking that has continued on long enough.
Edited by vinnie97 - 10/15/13 at 11:56pm
post #232 of 475
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Nothing was exaggerated....it's a fact that it's 0.001 fL, and no plasma until the 2013 Panasonics have been able to compare.
Then I would like someone to measure the U50's or X50's black levels, or TC-P60S60 if you want to stay current. Can a lower resolution plasma have a better black level? Have ye even heard of 900 scan line plasma TVs? What about the color gradation artifacts? Panasonic has always prided itself with making colors smooth.

But Pioneer had the better panels, because they used a special expensive growing process. Panasonic chose not to do this, because it was too expensive.
post #233 of 475
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Originally Posted by Artwood View Post

If the only way I could see Alabama playing for the National Championship was on edge-lit LCD that sucks I would just not watch the game on TV--I'd listen to Eli Gold on the Tide Radio network!

I have principles and one of those principles is not to eat LCD sewage!

LCD type people are like Alabama Crimson Tide Haters. They're forever jealous of plasma's and Alabama's superiority and greatness!

Roll Tide Roll!

My favorite quote from Broadway Joe Namath: "I wasn't always good--but I never was boring".

LCD is BOTH bad and boring!

Didn't you mean sober? I come to AVS and can't escape the crazy Tide fans, thank God I live with an Auburn grad smile.gif
post #234 of 475
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Originally Posted by Weboh View Post

Then I would like someone to measure the U50's or X50's black levels, or TC-P60S60 if you want to stay current. Can a lower resolution plasma have a better black level? Have ye even heard of 900 scan line plasma TVs? What about the color gradation artifacts? Panasonic has always prided itself with making colors smooth.

But Pioneer had the better panels, because they used a special expensive growing process. Panasonic chose not to do this, because it was too expensive.

There is already a thread dedicated to the measured black levels of various plasmas if you care to do a search. The other thing you need to remember is that most people who own one of these displays are not likely to own the equipment required to accurately measure black levels. People buy budget plasmas for a reason, that usually doesn't mean they are going to spend more buying the software and equipment required to calibrate one. As an owner of one of those grown plasma panels - I need to plant some in the garden next year smile.gif
post #235 of 475
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Originally Posted by Weboh View Post

Then I would like someone to measure the U50's or X50's black levels, or TC-P60S60 if you want to stay current. Can a lower resolution plasma have a better black level? Have ye even heard of 900 scan line plasma TVs? What about the color gradation artifacts? Panasonic has always prided itself with making colors smooth.

But Pioneer had the better panels, because they used a special expensive growing process. Panasonic chose not to do this, because it was too expensive.

my 50" S60 is at 0.0028 fL (around 150 hours or use)

post #236 of 475
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Originally Posted by smurraybhm View Post

There is already a thread dedicated to the measured black levels of various plasmas if you care to do a search. The other thing you need to remember is that most people who own one of these displays are not likely to own the equipment required to accurately measure black levels. People buy budget plasmas for a reason, that usually doesn't mean they are going to spend more buying the software and equipment required to calibrate one. As an owner of one of those grown plasma panels - I need to plant some in the garden next year smile.gif

where is that thread? what's it called?
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post #238 of 475
Alabama not winning the SEC and getting to play for the National Championship would be like the 111 not winning the Pioneer championship but still being better than anyone else!

LSU that year would be a non calibrated 101. Alabama would be a D-nice aka Saban calibrated 111.

Oregon this year would be a Samsung piece of flash trash. Speed like brightness would be destroyed by strength.

Ohio State would be the greatest Vizio of all times!
post #239 of 475
Easy on the Buckeyes now smile.gif They are at least a lower tier Panasonic :P Quite an impressive run you guys are on congrats !
post #240 of 475
Not had a chance to read the entire thread yet, but walked out of one of my local Best Buys today and apparently they were told not to expect any more Panasonic plasmas this year. Not sure if he was just pressuring me to buy... told him I was thinking about replacing my problem child ST50 with a VT60 in about a month, he said he didn't think there was much chance they'd have any left by then.

Hopefully someone will and/or he was just blowing smoke, because I don't really want to spend the money until then. And if I were to defect to Samsung, the 60" F8500 is out of my budget and I'm not keen on downgrading to 51" (even if it is only a few inches down from 55").
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