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post #391 of 475
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Originally Posted by liquidmetal View Post

was going to get a ST, but I see the game lag is bad and the 3d not that great. is the vt or zt any better in this regards?

Input lag is greatly exaggerated on the ST60. Unless you are a heavy gamer that only plays first shooter games , I doubt you will notice a big difference. The VT has better input lag though but pricier.
post #392 of 475
I just got a TC-P50ST60 from Sears to replace my 1 1/2 year old 1080P 42" Panny plasma-STRIKE WHILE THE IRON IS HOT!!
post #393 of 475
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Originally Posted by Ryder125 View Post

Is Panny still making the ST? Are they going to stop making them in march or whenever they want to be out? How long do we have to buy one before its going to be hard to get?

The Panasonic insider told us a few months ago that if we want to be sure to get a 2013 model, to buy before November. After that, inventory will be thin.

The most recent news is Panasonic is ending production in November or early December. They have never made TVs during January, and since there will be no 2014 models then they surely won't start making any in Feb or March as earlier rumored.

Buy now, or risk missing out on the last best affordable TVs you'll ever see. I don't have a lot of faith that Panasonic will follow through with plans to make OLED, i just don't see how they can sell them at such high prices when they couldn't even sell Plasmas at a fraction of the price.

It's truly the end of a great era. So sad.
post #394 of 475
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Originally Posted by RandyWalters View Post


The Panasonic insider told us a few months ago that if we want to be sure to get a 2013 model, to buy before November. After that, inventory will be thin.

The most recent news is Panasonic is ending production in November or early December. They have never made TVs during January, and since there will be no 2014 models then they surely won't start making any in Feb or March as earlier rumored.

Buy now, or risk missing out on the last best affordable TVs you'll ever see. I don't have a lot of faith that Panasonic will follow through with plans to make OLED, i just don't see how they can sell them at such high prices when they couldn't even sell Plasmas at a fraction of the price.

It's truly the end of a great era. So sad.

I'm pretty dead set on a Panny plasma but with BF so close, I think I'll just hold off for 2 more weeks.

post #395 of 475
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Originally Posted by RandyWalters View Post

Buy now, or risk missing out on the last best affordable TVs you'll ever see. I don't have a lot of faith that Panasonic will follow through with plans to make OLED, i just don't see how they can sell them at such high prices when they couldn't even sell Plasmas at a fraction of the price.

It's truly the end of a great era. So sad.


I've worked with Panasonic when I was in the 12 volt industry and I have found them to be very methodical, and cautious when developing new technology. It's probably why they have always been a leader in quality products, never rushing to get them on the street.. Currently they have stream lined their R&D so as to focus on more affordable OLED's, incorporating their exclusive ink-jet printing software and sharing resources with the likes of Sony and Sumitomo. Be patient and cheer up Randy biggrin.gif I am certain that over time they will again produce state of the art TV's. wink.gif


Ian
Edited by mailiang - 11/11/13 at 7:41am
post #396 of 475
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Edited by ChadThunder - 11/11/13 at 12:36am
post #397 of 475
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Originally Posted by RandyWalters View Post

The Panasonic insider told us a few months ago that if we want to be sure to get a 2013 model, to buy before November. After that, inventory will be thin.

The most recent news is Panasonic is ending production in November or early December. They have never made TVs during January, and since there will be no 2014 models then they surely won't start making any in Feb or March as earlier rumored.

Buy now, or risk missing out on the last best affordable TVs you'll ever see. I don't have a lot of faith that Panasonic will follow through with plans to make OLED, i just don't see how they can sell them at such high prices when they couldn't even sell Plasmas at a fraction of the price.

It's truly the end of a great era. So sad.

The inventory situation is not quite that hopeless. They will probably start to get tight in January, maybe late December.

Also, there also will probably not be a lot of discounting.
post #398 of 475
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Originally Posted by Speakerphile View Post

The inventory situation is not quite that hopeless. They will probably start to get tight in January, maybe late December.

Also, there also will probably not be a lot of discounting.

I noticed, for the first time I can remember, that the equivalent samsung has a higher market price than the Panasonic

Inventory..I wonder about

You will have those that will grab one because they think it will be gone and this is their last chance...on the other hand you might have those that stay away because Panasonic leaving the business. Somewhat how GM offered some fire sale deals on Oldmobiles and Pontiacs after they discontinued the brands

I recall when Pioneer left the business..I saw Kuros at a couple of magnolia stores, heavily discounted, a year later

Ditto with the Sharp Elite LED


Warren
post #399 of 475
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Originally Posted by turnne1 View Post

I noticed, for the first time I can remember, that the equivalent samsung has a higher market price than the Panasonic

Inventory..I wonder about

You will have those that will grab one because they think it will be gone and this is their last chance...on the other hand you might have those that stay away because Panasonic leaving the business. Somewhat how GM offered some fire sale deals on Oldmobiles and Pontiacs after they discontinued the brands

I recall when Pioneer left the business..I saw Kuros at a couple of magnolia stores, heavily discounted, a year later

Ditto with the Sharp Elite LED


Warren
My prediction? Major discounting as inventory dwindles. I still bought one a month or so ago, since I want to watch it now, not wait 6mths to save a few $100.
post #400 of 475
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Originally Posted by turnne1 View Post

I noticed, for the first time I can remember, that the equivalent samsung has a higher market price than the Panasonic

Inventory..I wonder about

You will have those that will grab one because they think it will be gone and this is their last chance...on the other hand you might have those that stay away because Panasonic leaving the business. Somewhat how GM offered some fire sale deals on Oldmobiles and Pontiacs after they discontinued the brands

I recall when Pioneer left the business..I saw Kuros at a couple of magnolia stores, heavily discounted, a year later

Ditto with the Sharp Elite LED


Warren

The difference between this and all of the situations mentioned was that the manufacturer had excess inventory and had to help fund discounts to clear their warehouses. That is not the case with Panasonic and plasma. They are selling every unit they have in stock and thus have little to no incentive to support deep discounts.

Also people need to keep in mind, Panasonic is not going out of business. They are just exiting plasma. It's not like you won't get a warranty, or have the full support of Panasonic in the event of a problem.
post #401 of 475
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Originally Posted by Kurtangletn View Post

Anyone think that the VT60 will still be available around Christmas?

I'm starting to debate if I should save the next month or two and expand my budget from $700 (S64, but can't find one now..) to about $1600 for the 55" VT60.

I was thinking the same thing, except the 55" VT60 is hovering around $1,999 now (e.g. on Amazon). I'd pull the trigger right away if it were $1,600. I don't think prices will go back down though due to pure Supply & Demand.
post #402 of 475
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Originally Posted by Comp625 View Post

I was thinking the same thing, except the 55" VT60 is hovering around $1,999 now (e.g. on Amazon). I'd pull the trigger right away if it were $1,600. I don't think prices will go back down though due to pure Supply & Demand.
Paul's TV (an authorized dealer) has the 55VT60 right now for $1550. Amazon will match this price too...just call or start a chat session and give them the coupon code.
post #403 of 475
Typical chat, always looking to save a few bucks. And people wonder why the TV manufactures are sinking.
Here's my advice buy soon or you be sorry. Pioneer had a glut of panels (word has it they have a ton of replacement panels in stock) while Panasonic does not. Period. Our buying group, as well as several large region dealers did not even bother with Panasonic this year because they were told that inventory would be spotty at best. 42", 50", 60" ST are gone. 55" not far behind. VT/ZT panels are scarce as well.
This years VT/ZT will be talked about for years as the best just like we still talk about the Kuro panels. Glad I have a 101!
post #404 of 475
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Originally Posted by avguy1272 View Post

Typical chat, always looking to save a few bucks. And people wonder why the TV manufactures are sinking.
Huh? There's something wrong with trying to save some money by using a retailer's own policy to your advantage? Hey, if you have money laying around you feel you can donate to the CE companies, more power to ya, but I prefer to get the best bang for the buck I can. Besides, getting a good deal through a retailer isn't going to hurt the manufacturer one whit. The retailer has already bought and paid for the sets they're selling.
post #405 of 475
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Originally Posted by Schwa View Post


Huh? There's something wrong with trying to save some money by using a retailer's own policy to your advantage? Hey, if you have money laying around you feel you can donate to the CE companies, more power to ya, but I prefer to get the best bang for the buck I can. Besides, getting a good deal through a retailer isn't going to hurt the manufacturer one whit. The retailer has already bought and paid for the sets they're selling.

 

have to agree.  getting the lowest price is not a bad thing.

post #406 of 475
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Originally Posted by Schwa View Post

Huh? There's something wrong with trying to save some money by using a retailer's own policy to your advantage? Hey, if you have money laying around you feel you can donate to the CE companies, more power to ya, but I prefer to get the best bang for the buck I can. Besides, getting a good deal through a retailer isn't going to hurt the manufacturer one whit. The retailer has already bought and paid for the sets they're selling.

The less margin a retailer makes, the more it affects the manufacturer. The relationship does not end as soon as they sell the inventory to the dealer. smile.gif
post #407 of 475
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Originally Posted by Speakerphile View Post

The less margin a retailer makes, the more it affects the manufacturer. The relationship does not end as soon as they sell the inventory to the dealer. smile.gif
Perhaps, but it's still ridiculous for consumers to be overly charitable toward retailers and/or manufacturers (as avguy1272 implies we should be in his post above). I can assure you that retailers and manufacturers wouldn't reciprocate such charity back to consumers. wink.gif
post #408 of 475
One thing that is making me hesitant to pick up a VT60 is that Samsung is still around. They got fairly close to the picture quality of Panasonic this year along with the brightness advantage, and another year under their belt might allow them to equal or possibly surpass them next year.
post #409 of 475
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Originally Posted by Carlos Arellano View Post

One thing that is making me hesitant to pick up a VT60 is that Samsung is still around. They got fairly close to the picture quality of Panasonic this year along with the brightness advantage, and another year under their belt might allow them to equal or possibly surpass them next year.

 

Yeah, but under that logic you will never buy a TV as there will always be something better "next year."

 

live life now and enjoy it!

post #410 of 475
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Originally Posted by Carlos Arellano View Post

One thing that is making me hesitant to pick up a VT60 is that Samsung is still around. They got fairly close to the picture quality of Panasonic this year along with the brightness advantage, and another year under their belt might allow them to equal or possibly surpass them next year.
Well another way of looking at it is that Samsung doesn't have to improve anything meaningful. Just keep those smart apps coming and most folks will be cooing...cool.gif
post #411 of 475
thought this was an interesting read...

http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/4k-plasma-201311133417.htm
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I'm sure they know about that posting...but as the AVS forum universe is so large with numerous subforums, that might be easier for just the plasma diehards to miss, so they're keeping this discussion active for posterity's sake (this subforum may well become a ghost town in a few years anyway). wink.gif
post #414 of 475
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Originally Posted by Speakerphile View Post

The difference between this and all of the situations mentioned was that the manufacturer had excess inventory and had to help fund discounts to clear their warehouses. That is not the case with Panasonic and plasma. They are selling every unit they have in stock and thus have little to no incentive to support deep discounts.

I think you are right. Case in point: Purchased a 50ST60 direct from Panasonic for $918. Two days later they made the announcement and the next day the price was up to $999.
post #415 of 475
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Originally Posted by vinnie97 View Post

I'm sure they know about that posting...but as the AVS forum universe is so large with numerous subforums, that might be easier for just the plasma diehards to miss, so they're keeping this discussion active for posterity's sake (this subforum may well become a ghost town in a few years anyway). wink.gif
So far my Pioneer links are still working. I hope the Panasonic links live for several years. See below. rolleyes.gif
post #416 of 475
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Originally Posted by vinnie97 View Post

I'm sure they know about that posting...but as the AVS forum universe is so large with numerous subforums, that might be easier for just the plasma diehards to miss, so they're keeping this discussion active for posterity's sake (this subforum may well become a ghost town in a few years anyway). wink.gif

ahh didn't realize they are in diff subforums! oh well... after i found that interesting article, i couldn't figure out which one best to post it in!
Edited by ljmart - 11/14/13 at 10:10am
post #417 of 475
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Originally Posted by hdtvbuckeye View Post

Yeah, but under that logic you will never buy a TV as there will always be something better "next year."

live life now and enjoy it!

My thing is I wouldn't have even considered getting a new TV if I knew Panasonic was still making plasmas. I am fairly satisfied with my G25 and would have happily continued waiting.
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Originally Posted by fpileggi View Post

Well another way of looking at it is that Samsung doesn't have to improve anything meaningful. Just keep those smart apps coming and most folks will be cooing...cool.gif

That is a possibility. However, Samsung's plasmas still have to contend with LCD TVs. But on the other hand, plasma TVs are kind of a niche market. A lot of things to consider.
post #418 of 475
October 2013 build date, ZT60 @65" delivered today with a $2899 price.

No scratches, no fan noise, no discernible IR. Skipped the break in.

Picture is simply incredible with CNET calibration settings.

Buy one if you can.

That is all.
Edited by hdtvbuckeye - 11/14/13 at 8:25pm
post #419 of 475

TC-P65ZT60 at BB right now (online) at $2899.

 

That is all.

 

Edit: $2900 on Amazon


Edited by hdtvbuckeye - 12/2/13 at 7:08pm
post #420 of 475
Wow...I went back an forth on this soooo many times!! I started out looking at the Panny 60ST60 in early December (ran into some unexpected $$ that would finally allow for a TV upgrade). When I finally decided to pull the trigger on the ST....denied...can't get one anywhere; BB, Paul's, all the internet stores with any decent reputation are toasted. Then I started poking around and found out why! LOL So...started researching between a 65VT60 and 65ZT60. Ya...big price jump...but not missing out on the second coming of the Kuro! I'm upgrading from a 10 year old JVC 56" RPTV. Then I went to a Paul's store with the wife...an she liked the Samsung 8500 they had on the floor in the 65". All they had from Panny was a beat up 60" VT. The Samsung clearly wins on brightness but I still liked the Panny. Plus the Samsung was $400 more than the 65ZT60. These Panny's are getting so scarce, the only place I could find it was Amazon. Figured I may as well go full boat and ordered the 65ZT60 for $2799 shipped. Doubled what I originally intended to spend vs the ST60...but hoping I will be happy with this TV for many years to come. Shame they're headed to the A/V history books.
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