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post #331 of 392
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Originally Posted by RadTech51 View Post

Nope the Plasma arena has been losing money for years now, it was only a matter of time. Even Samsung will be pulling out soon. cool.gif

It's not all bad news though, this means they can now focus their attention on better emerging technologies like OLED. wink.gif
For what I read it cost too much to make it,plus it was not energy EF.So read flatpanel HD.
post #332 of 392
I think Plasma's demise is greatly exaggerated, just as much as OLED's success. Plasma is still easier to manufacture than OLED.
post #333 of 392
So you've said. When employees/engineers are fired/transitioned and factories are gutted/sold/converted, they can't just flick a switch and bring that all back.
post #334 of 392
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Originally Posted by Weboh View Post

I think Plasma's demise is greatly exaggerated, just as much as OLED's success. Plasma is still easier to manufacture than OLED.

In what sense? Only LG and Samsung build them now, there will be no plasma leap to 4K, market share is tiny and still shrinking...


Edited by imagic - 11/19/13 at 12:58pm
post #335 of 392
True, but I don't think 4K OLEDs are around the corner either. A Plasma leap to 4K could happen in 5 years, if microLED displays fail big time. I think as micro-LED succeeds, Plasma will get dumped; but it won't happen soon. True 4K content isn't around the corner either.

If I am wrong, it is only because I was cautious.
Edited by Weboh - 11/22/13 at 1:01pm
post #336 of 392
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Originally Posted by Weboh View Post

True, but I don't think 4K OLEDs are around the corner either. A Plasma leap to 4K could happen in 5 years, if microLED displays fail big time. I think as micro-LED succeeds, Plasma will get dumped; but it won't happen soon. True 4K content isn't around the corner either.

If I am wrong, it is only because I was cautious.

You can forget the idea of a 4K plasma, simply no money in that market even if OLED fails which I don't think it will. LCD/LED is going to be around for a while yet as well, in fact be prepared to see many more 4K options in that configuration down the road. There are other technologies on the horizon that haven't been talked about much yet that could also make a surprise debut. cool.gif
post #337 of 392
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Originally Posted by RadTech51 View Post

You can forget the idea of a 4K plasma, simply no money in that market even if OLED fails which I don't think it will. LCD/LED is going to be around for a while yet as well, in fact be prepared to see many more 4K options in that configuration down the road. There are other technologies on the horizon that haven't been talked about much yet that could also make a surprise debut. cool.gif
Just read something on FlatpanelHD that OLED is cheaper to make than LCD TV's,will see 2014 and beyond.
post #338 of 392
4K can kiss my butt for being overated. It is hard to make OLED versions; at least, they make them in large sizes now. Since there is little 4K content, I am more interested in Micro-LED displays, (mostly OLED) in the future.

Edit: I have heard rumors of 31" 4K OLEDs with the Yieldjet. I am still a little skeptical, though it would be nice.
Edited by Weboh - 11/28/13 at 4:57pm
post #339 of 392
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Very sad to hear, plasma t.v. Has the best picture then most t.v. That are out there.! Come on Panasonic don't kill it!

It is really sad. C'mon don't cut it!!
post #340 of 392

TRAGIC, tragic. It was a sad day in the plasma world.

post #341 of 392
LG is building a boat load of OLED plants,OLED is the new future of TV,they are introducing a 4k OLED in a few days.

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post #342 of 392
^You're getting bamboozled by a press release. Most (all?) are TV assembly plants that already exist.
post #343 of 392
I just scooped up a 65" VT60 before they are gone. This will be my forth Plasma and most likely my last. Very sad to see them go. frown.gif
post #344 of 392
Could current panels accept the higher bit rates, 4.4.4, deep color, etc that seem to be driving the new sets? I think they're building the new sets with these features and providing the improved IQ/content rather than providing content that our units are already capable of. Am I the only one feeling ripped off? Am I wrong?
I'm still shocked by the IQ on my uncalibrated TC-P50X2 (720P) Panny.
I've noticed the IQ from my Sat provider has been improving since the 4k talk started, commercials specifically, often looking and sounding better than the program we're watching.
post #345 of 392
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Originally Posted by cybertec View Post

LG is building a boat load of OLED plants,OLED is the new future of TV,they are introducing a 4k OLED in a few days.

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Originally Posted by vinnie97 View Post

^You're getting bamboozled by a press release. Most (all?) are TV assembly plants that already exist.

*nods*

For a more realistic view of the OLED future, including references made to the subject in the above quoted post which excitedly purports the, "building a boat load of OLED plants", see this longstanding thread for some dissection of the subject.
post #346 of 392
Can't seem to find the plasma tv I want online anywhere. It's the 50st60. Any help?
post #347 of 392
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Originally Posted by Weboh View Post

4K can kiss my butt for being overated. It is hard to make OLED versions; at least, they make them in large sizes now. Since there is little 4K content, I am more interested in Micro-LED displays, (mostly OLED) in the future.

Edit: I have heard rumors of 31" 4K OLEDs with the Yieldjet. I am still a little skeptical, though it would be nice.

4K content (native) isn't required to justify the image quality gains by 4K display. With proper up-scaling/interpolation, a 1080p image becomes pixel-free with no visible pixel structure from 1 screen-widths distance. That's a good thing, even when watching 1080p source material, and will allow flat-panel displays to get larger and larger in size.

Films were intended to be viewed ideally within a 30 degree viewing angle (@ 1.5 screen widths). Many of today's flat-panels (especially plasmas) show pixel-structure artifacting when viewed closer than 2 screen widths. Reducing this artifact allows displays to get larger, for us to sit closer, and for flat-panel based home-theater systems to more appropriately be called "home theaters".

While it may seem premature now to see plasma displays getting passed over by major manufacturers, it won't be long before 4K displays using other technologies (in addition to LCD) hit the scene that exceed plasma's noteworthy performance characteristics in addition to bringing us 4K resolution.
Edited by DaViD Boulet - 1/5/14 at 1:48pm
post #348 of 392
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Originally Posted by DaViD Boulet View Post

4K content (native) isn't required to justify the image quality gains by 4K display. With proper up-scaling/interpolation, a 1080p image becomes pixel-free with no visible pixel structure from 1 screen-widths distance. That's a good thing, even when watching 1080p source material, and will allow flat-panel displays to get larger and larger in size.

Films were intended to be viewed ideally within a 30 degree viewing angle (@ 1.5 screen widths). Many of today's flat-panels (especially plasmas) show pixel-structure artifacting when viewed closer than 2 screen widths. Reducing this artifact allows displays to get larger, for us to sit closer, and for flat-panel based home-theater systems to more appropriately be called "home theaters".

While it may seem premature now to see plasma displays getting passed over by major manufacturers, it won't be long before 4K displays using other technologies (in addition to LCD) hit the scene that exceed plasma's noteworthy performance characteristics in addition to bringing us 4K resolution.
While plasma is dangerous, it provides framerate improvements in both the 720p and 1080i formats. So far 1080p60p is rare. It would seem 1080i produces the ghost well in 1080p24p/30p and it doesn't remove judder much. They need to start over again with 4KIP/(UHD?) to keep the lcd sharpness up. It makes a great computer monitor though. 900p is some sort of ugly experiment, but some things were filmed in it, like sports.
Edited by Weboh - 1/6/14 at 4:41am
post #349 of 392
Guess who just scored a new 50ST60 plasma television? ME!!!
post #350 of 392
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Originally Posted by kemiza View Post

Guess who just scored a new 50ST60 plasma television? ME!!!

Congradulations! I just had my 65VT60 delivered today. Enjoy. JT
post #351 of 392
Does anybody know if the 50ST60 has built in dual band wifi?
post #352 of 392
I had a VT60 and it was a dithering, buzzing, electricity drinking, whole house heater. Who wants that for a tv?
Not me, It went back! It's no wonder Plasma died. Plasma, DLP & CRT can RIP!
post #353 of 392
I think it died because the majority of people could care less about picture quality and or misinformed about plasma qualities, think brighter is better, thinner is better, want the cheapest brightest set they see at Wal-Mart. Panasonic cant make money on Plasma anymore, plus the new 4k cant be implemted to Plasma, as far as I understand?
post #354 of 392
^It can (4k), just not cost effectively. The latest generation plasmas were shockingly thin, so I don't think that argument holds anymore either. I think the rest holds true, however. wink.gif
post #355 of 392
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Originally Posted by Todd68 View Post

I think it died because the majority of people could care less about picture quality and or misinformed about plasma qualities, think brighter is better, thinner is better, want the cheapest brightest set they see at Wal-Mart. Panasonic cant make money on Plasma anymore, plus the new 4k cant be implemted to Plasma, as far as I understand?

When there’s 10 retail stores in any given area, and your item is sold at only 2 of those locations, yet your competitors’ items are sold at all 10 stores…

Also, when I’m looking for anything between a 32” and 47” TV, what are my plasma options? Slim to none, possibly none.
I want passive 3D. What are my plasma options? None.
I want a 70” TV. What are my plasma options? None.
post #356 of 392
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Originally Posted by imagic View Post

In what sense? Only LG and Samsung build them now, there will be no plasma leap to 4K, market share is tiny and still shrinking...
There is no leap to so-called "4K" at all. The LCDs that can do the content are tend to be slow. There are no movies filmed in non-blurry "4K" at 60 frames or even 30 frames. 1080i used to only look good on LCDs. There were 4 companies making them, now there is 1 of the Chinese knockoff manufacturers and the 2 Korean manufacturers. We have already won. But you have to order by mail.
post #357 of 392
I get promotional emails from Panasonic and when I do I always check to see what pricing deals they are currently offering on their remaining plasma stock. Got one of their emails today and they are promoting their 60" ZT60 model for $2399 to members. So I went to check their other plasmas but there were none available. All gone. This 60" ZT is all they have left. And "only a few left", at that.
post #358 of 392
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Originally Posted by CruelInventions View Post

I get promotional emails from Panasonic and when I do I always check to see what pricing deals they are currently offering on their remaining plasma stock. Got one of their emails today and they are promoting their 60" ZT60 model for $2399 to members. So I went to check their other plasmas but there were none available. All gone. This 60" ZT is all they have left. And "only a few left", at that.
You may spot the ST60 next year at Aaron's.

Edit: Try calling Cleveland Plasma too.
Edited by Weboh - 1/15/14 at 6:09pm
post #359 of 392
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Originally Posted by kemiza View Post

Does anybody know if the 50ST60 has built in dual band wifi?
You need a wifi adapter, and you need to plug the correct one into a USB port. This is merely a hint.
post #360 of 392
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Originally Posted by Weboh View Post

You need a wifi adapter, and you need to plug the correct one into a USB port. This is merely a hint.
I'll take that as a no.
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