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post #121 of 146
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Originally Posted by JediSpork View Post

Telekinesis, telepathy , teleportation. The three T's. These powers are so cheesey and generic. How many times can tv shows use this? Its just another cookie cutter show with filler material and to eventually have all the main characters sleep with each other. The deeper story seems ok and if they would have focused on that it may have been renewed. Right now its predicted to be cancelled.
Have you seen any of the new shows in the CW pipeline?
I watched "The 100" pilot episode Fri night. It practically makes The Tomorrow People seem like Masterpiece Theater.
Here's some IMDB poster comments about "The 100"
"I am 21 and I feel to old for this"
"More teen melodrama"
"100 delinquents..???"
"I`m 10 and i feel too old for this"

Doesn't seem like The CW has something great waiting to replace The Tomorrow People...
post #122 of 146
There is absolutely nothing wrong or "cheesy" about the powers of the characters. It's the limitations of the show that fails to capitalize on them and the writers who don't go deeper. Plus, remake.

Telepathy is great if used correctly. Nobody who ever saw Scanners will say that Michael Ironside's head is cheesy. The showdown is still awesome thirty years later.

And the teleportation effect is one of the less cheesy implementations I've ever seen. Especially on television. It looks very cool.
post #123 of 146
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Originally Posted by replayrob View Post


I watched "The 100" pilot episode Fri night. It practically makes The Tomorrow People seem like Masterpiece Theater.
Here's some IMDB poster comments about "The 100"
"I am 21 and I feel to old for this"
"More teen melodrama"
"100 delinquents..???"
"I`m 10 and i feel too old for this"

Thats basically what my Wife and I thought about the 100. I like the Arrow and didn't mind watching Beauty and the Beast with her (also cancelled I think)

Tomorrow People does at least keep me watching and I would like to see it wrapped up. I think tv shows in general should go for less episodes with no filler and have a good wrap up at the end of the season. A lot of network tv shows seem to follow the same formula regardless of the type of show. Tomorrow People has the weekly bad guy with powers to catch. Grimm has a weekly Wesen villan etc. I guess a few of these are fine but I would want maybe 75% of the episodes to focus on the core story and not branch out into some filler material. The story should already be planned out and not pulled out of their behind on a weekly basis.

I'm going to do my best and avoid network tv shows until they are established and I know they will have some sort of wrap up when they are over.
post #124 of 146
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Originally Posted by VisionOn View Post

There is absolutely nothing wrong or "cheesy" about the powers of the characters. It's the limitations of the show that fails to capitalize on them and the writers who don't go deeper. Plus, remake.

Telepathy is great if used correctly. Nobody who ever saw Scanners will say that Michael Ironside's head is cheesy. The showdown is still awesome thirty years later.

And the teleportation effect is one of the less cheesy implementations I've ever seen. Especially on television. It looks very cool.

As you said maybe its the if used correctly part and maybe cheesey was the wrong word. I just felt that it was a generic way to wow people about the show. Characters with super powers do certainly help my interest in certain shows however everyone can do almost the same thing and its boring. Even on heroes they used telekinesis all the time because I think its cheaper to "act" out the powers than have real special effects. I was getting bored of it by the time heroes was over. I don't know why it bugs me. I guess I imagine when they are recording a scene and someone is waving their hands or grunting and the other person has to pretend to be effected by it and go flying across the room seems silly to me. I didn't mind the force powers in Star Wars though.

Edit: I did like the part when John and Astrid were on skype and he teleported over. I thought that was a cool implementation. I also like the dialogue with the computer Tim.
Edited by JediSpork - 3/23/14 at 8:29pm
post #125 of 146
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Even on heroes they used telekinesis all the time because I think its cheaper to "act" out the powers than have real special effects

Telekinesis didn't even compare to bad telepathy on Heroes, although "finger bullets" was close. Telepathy on Heroes was Greg Grunberg tilting his head, making a constipated face and the camera wobbling. It looked silly and was used a lot.

If anything I think the telekinesis on TP uses too many effects. They have the obligatory hand waving and added a CGI beam just in case the entire premise of the show was lost on the audience. Telekinesis should be purely mental and have objects move without indication. Very few shows dare to go that route because it doesn't look action-y enough.
post #126 of 146
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Originally Posted by VisionOn View Post

If anything I think the telekinesis on TP uses too many effects. They have the obligatory hand waving and added a CGI beam just in case the entire premise of the show was lost on the audience.

If you notice, the show is actually suffering from visual effects creep. The CGI beam for telekinesis wasn't present in the early episodes IIRC, and the first time I remember seeing the more obvious effect was in one of Cara's flashbacks where she moved a cup, or something like that.

Honestly at this point I'm more interested in The 100 than this show. My standards continue to decline as I desperately search for any show that defies the "x of the week" formula, and this isn't one of them.
post #127 of 146
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Originally Posted by Aleron Ives View Post

If you notice, the show is actually suffering from visual effects creep. The CGI beam for telekinesis wasn't present in the early episodes

That would explain why I've only been really noticing it recently. It could be a decision to try and boost ratings by adding the superficial shiny CW thinks the show is missing.
post #128 of 146
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Honestly at this point I'm more interested in The 100 than this show. My standards continue to decline as I desperately search for any show that defies the "x of the week" formula, and this isn't one of them.
Did you watch the pilot for "The 100"?
post #129 of 146
Yes, and that's why I'm more interested in that show. The "breakout of the week" plots in TP bore me. TV has too many procedurals these days.
post #130 of 146
I've seen both "new" shows, 100 and Star something and for me they are both crap, I'd much rather see TP continue on. with a tighter focus I think the sow has possibilities. We need to get rid of Ultra, and after tonight I wonder how it even exists. I have to think there is a third party involved.
post #131 of 146
If TP had been this good from the beginning, I'd have been all in. It's a pity that the show itself is only starting to break out near the end.
post #132 of 146
Honestly this episode really did seem to confirm that the show has been making it up as they go. That said they so successfully muddied the mythology waters with seemingly random allegiance changing and new plot elements that I have no idea what can happen next. Good, bad or self-serving, the "bad" guy motivations are totally mystifying.

The Founder sucks at abilities considering he's supposed to be the best. Other TPs can stop bullets in mid-air but he could only throw it at his daughter. Sloppy!

And I agree with the above, Ultra needs to go. It's as comically bad as CTU but with worse agents especially considering they have superpowers.
post #133 of 146
At the lowest point of the season I wouldn't say any episodes have been bad.

Except this one.

The love triangle we thought the show had thankfully dumped has been escalated to a a love rectangle, the Founder flips motivations in what is either the fastest turn around for a dictator who locked his sick daughter in a cell or the least convincing, Jedikiah goes from the man always in control to panicked hostage taker and then back again, a teenage boy finds out his brother has superhero powers but doesn't think it's like "way cool" and generally awesome ...

and the "machine" looked really cheap. I got the Da Vinci motif, but it still looked pathetic.
post #134 of 146
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and the "machine" looked really cheap. I got the Da Vinci motif, but it still looked pathetic.

I liked how he decided to remove his shirt without being asked, because any such machine naturally requires you to have your shirt off. rolleyes.gif I would call every character in this show bipolar, except they've had so many personality transplants it would probably be more accurate to call them tri- or even quadpolar.
post #135 of 146
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Originally Posted by Aleron Ives View Post

I liked how he decided to remove his shirt without being asked, because any such machine naturally requires you to have your shirt off. rolleyes.gif

I noticed that too. Either he was told this episode to keep taking his shirt off to boost the female ratings or it did look like he's been working out a lot lately and didn't want his cousin Stephen Amell to keep getting all the attention over on Arrow.

I suppose we did get some female shirtless action from his partner, so maybe it's a new general directive to boost the ratings. Telekinesis now works better when partially naked! biggrin.gif
post #136 of 146
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Honestly at this point I'm more interested in The 100 than this show.
Please tell me you were imbibing when typing this....eek.gif

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Honestly this episode really did seem to confirm that the show has been making it up as they go. That said they so successfully muddied the mythology waters with seemingly random allegiance changing and new plot elements that I have no idea what can happen next. Good, bad or self-serving, the "bad" guy motivations are totally mystifying.
I think the idea of "muddying" the waters is to make us guess whether the Founder or Jed is the real power-hungry Baddie....
I'm holding out for both, although their reasons may be different.wink.gif
post #137 of 146
Wow, quite the "outfit" on Stephen's partner tonight. biggrin.gif
post #138 of 146
I was ready to call it a day on the show half way through the episode. The Stephen/Hilary/Cara/Astrid romantic playboy attraction was CW at it's worst. Only the end revealing Hilary was still loyal and didn't just suddenly switch to being super-nice in the space of a couple of episodes kept me from bailing.

Jedikiah becoming crazy hobo with a shotgun I didn't like either. He unravelled far too quickly from his composed and smart character. It's like the writers intentionally started to make him more manic and excitable to contrast with the Founder now.

I'm happy that Roger might be back next week because the show needs some real direction again. And another adult to write around.
post #139 of 146
Maybe when Roger wakes up he can tell us what he's been doing in the Link all this time. wink.gifbiggrin.gif
post #140 of 146
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Originally Posted by zeus33 View Post

Wow, quite the "outfit" on Stephen's partner tonight. biggrin.gif
Uh, yeah...I was trying not to stare (while sitting next to Ms. Oink biggrin.gif).

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I was ready to call it a day on the show half way through the episode. The Stephen/Hilary/Cara/Astrid romantic playboy attraction was CW at it's worst.
If the show is renewed, I hope they ditch the Astrid character...she is pretty silly at this point.rolleyes.gif

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Only the end revealing Hilary was still loyal and didn't just suddenly switch to being super-nice in the space of a couple of episodes kept me from bailing.

Jedikiah becoming crazy hobo with a shotgun I didn't like either. He unravelled far too quickly from his composed and smart character. It's like the writers intentionally started to make him more manic and excitable to contrast with the Founder now.
I can't disagree.

The upshot is this episode had a lot going on, unfortunately it appears the writers are desperate and are just throwing stuff up against a wall hoping something will stick.

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Maybe when Roger wakes up he can tell us what he's been doing in the Link all this time. wink.gifbiggrin.gif
THAT...IS....SO....WRONG!tongue.gif
post #141 of 146
I love The Founder... "If I find anyone here has been aiding Jedikiah... I'll be supremely disappointed"!
At least the villain has a good command of the English language.. smile.gif
post #142 of 146
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Originally Posted by replayrob View Post

I love The Founder... "If I find anyone here has been aiding Jedikiah... I'll be supremely disappointed"!
At least the villain has a good command of the English language.. smile.gif
Yeah, he does make an excellent Baddie.

DOES ANYONE KNOW IF THE SERIES HAS BEEN RENEWED YET?
post #143 of 146
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DOES ANYONE KNOW IF THE SERIES HAS BEEN RENEWED YET?


Not definitive, but it's not looking good: http://www.sheknows.com/entertainment/articles/1034691/will-the-cw-cancel-the-tomorrow-people
post #144 of 146
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Not definitive, but it's not looking good: http://www.sheknows.com/entertainment/articles/1034691/will-the-cw-cancel-the-tomorrow-people
Dang, it's just starting to get really good.
post #145 of 146
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Not definitive, but it's not looking good: http://www.sheknows.com/entertainment/articles/1034691/will-the-cw-cancel-the-tomorrow-people
Dang, it's just starting to get really good.

Too little, too late I'm afraid. frown.gif But there is still a glimmer of hope...
post #146 of 146
I really did not like this episode. I'm not a fan of the end game at all and over the past few episodes it feels like a slapped together story. The character motivations flipping - which I thought was possibly clever earlier - is clearly just really clunky writing.

The dinner scene was just awkward and not in an intentional way. It brought back the Astrid/Hilary rivalry and Luka went from despising the entire reunion to feeling like celebrating with some freakshow levitating glasses in a blink.

Roger survives major surgery after being frozen for a decade and not only do the TPs suggest challenging him to combat an hour after he regains consciousness but he fights like he nothing happened to him at all! Forget the fact that John might have accidentally killed him but Roger doesn't even break a stitch. As awesome as his recovery is however, the most powerful psychic in the show can't even dodge a tranq dart 20 minutes later. Forget all the other ways he could have got past John, but a dart doesn't even travel close to the speed of a bullet.

Roger then meets up with Jedikiah who seems to infer they were both in on the shooting/freezing idea to get Roger off the grid. Was it also the plan for Jedikiah to become judge and executioner? Did anyone mention that to Roger? Does he care?

Which brings us to Bathory, who gets less impressive every week. Tortures John for information and doesn't even try to break his mind for the knowledge. Then when Ultra security fails yet again he doesn't even suspect something is wrong with Hilary until she takes off her jacket. Which was kind of an over reaction on Hilary's part. Skip past coming clean with Stephen and maybe hoping to be forgiven and leaving Ultra, let's go straight to the suicide vest! Doesn't love Stephen enough to not betray him a few times, loves him enough to blow herself up without asking for help.

The only thing I really liked this week was the human disintegration effect when the machine was working.
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