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post #31 of 146
This whole idea that the movies and tv have with the boss that has no problem killing subordinates has to be silly. Seems to me that his subordinates would either mutiny or elope as soon as possible. But its a trope . . .
post #32 of 146
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Originally Posted by daryl zero View Post

This whole idea that the movies and tv have with the boss that has no problem killing subordinates has to be silly. Seems to me that his subordinates would either mutiny or elope as soon as possible. But its a trope . . .
Agreed.
post #33 of 146
Eh, not that silly. Have you seen the number of executions that militia gangs and cartels perform within their own ranks? The Mafia never had a problem with it either and yet they don't seem to have a problem with recruitment.

Fear and power are easy traits to manipulate soldiers with.

Not to mention in terms of the show as I said earlier, mutiny is only possible when you have a leader to create one. Up until the show delivers a suitable candidate to rally behind nobody from Ultra will be jumping ship only to be hunted down.
post #34 of 146
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Eh, not that silly. Have you seen the number of executions that militia gangs and cartels perform within their own ranks? The Mafia never had a problem with it either and yet they don't seem to have a problem with recruitment.

Fear and power are easy traits to manipulate soldiers with.

Then there's the good old Roman Legion's decimation policy.

post #35 of 146
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Eh, not that silly. Have you seen the number of executions that militia gangs and cartels perform within their own ranks? The Mafia never had a problem with it either and yet they don't seem to have a problem with recruitment.

Fear and power are easy traits to manipulate soldiers with.

Not to mention in terms of the show as I said earlier, mutiny is only possible when you have a leader to create one. Up until the show delivers a suitable candidate to rally behind nobody from Ultra will be jumping ship only to be hunted down.
Except those who rule by fear of death usually get overthrown eventually. You can only do so much banging a saber on a podium before people get sick of being oppressed.

You can't keep people in line with fear. You have to give them something they otherwise wouldn't have. Be their source of food. Make sure the trains run on time. Make sure there's plenty of toilet paper in the stores. Promote national pride - which can get the public to support the removal of a few million of their fellow countrymen who obviously are a threat to the nation. If you're not their friend, you're the people's enemy.

Then, keep yourself sane. Once you tip over the edge, you're an easy target to be overthrown. Next thing you know, you're putting a bullet in your head in a bunker, you being captured in a spider hole.
post #36 of 146
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Except those who rule by fear of death usually get overthrown eventually. You can only do so much banging a saber on a podium before people get sick of being oppressed.

You can't keep people in line with fear. You have to give them something they otherwise wouldn't have. Be their source of food. Make sure the trains run on time. Make sure there's plenty of toilet paper in the stores. Promote national pride - which can get the public to support the removal of a few million of their fellow countrymen who obviously are a threat to the nation. If you're not their friend, you're the people's enemy.

Then, keep yourself sane. Once you tip over the edge, you're an easy target to be overthrown. Next thing you know, you're putting a bullet in your head in a bunker, you being captured in a spider hole.
A student of history, I see....wink.gif
post #37 of 146
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This episode also revealed the John-Cara schism event that I expect will occur in a future episode.

That took even less time to come to fruition than I expected. rolleyes.gif At least they're moving things forward quickly: Astrid looks like she'll be joining the Scooby gang shortly, although how she'll be of any use is a mystery.
post #38 of 146
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Astrid looks like she'll be joining the Scooby gang shortly, although how she'll be of any use is a mystery.
As the Weak Link.wink.gif
post #39 of 146
There was one thing that confused me in this episode: during Cara's flashbacks a few episodes ago, I thought that when she discovered her powers, she used her telepathy to overcome her deafness by reading people's minds as a substitute for hearing, and that was why she was so terrified at being turned into a human again, because not only would she have been forced to return to a life where nobody liked her, but she would also have lost her alternative hearing method. During this week's episode, Cara was still able to hear and talk when her powers were disabled in the club, so were we actually supposed to have interpreted the emergence of her powers as having somehow healed her ears? I'm not sure how the two are supposed to be related, but I guess if that's the case, she would have gone deaf again had she been given the TP antidote.
post #40 of 146
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Originally Posted by Aleron Ives View Post

There was one thing that confused me in this episode: during Cara's flashbacks a few episodes ago, I thought that when she discovered her powers, she used her telepathy to overcome her deafness by reading people's minds as a substitute for hearing, and that was why she was so terrified at being turned into a human again, because not only would she have been forced to return to a life where nobody liked her, but she would also have lost her alternative hearing method. During this week's episode, Cara was still able to hear and talk when her powers were disabled in the club, so were we actually supposed to have interpreted the emergence of her powers as having somehow healed her ears? I'm not sure how the two are supposed to be related, but I guess if that's the case, she would have gone deaf again had she been given the TP antidote.
Although I may have misunderstood, I was under the impression she had gained her sense of hearing a long time ago.
post #41 of 146
Props to the show for moving things along quickly and not teasing out plot points and back story to annoying lengths, but I think this episode fell down the CW rabbit hole of YA romance and it's probably lost me now.

They caved in to the love triangle I had been hoping they would avoid and then to make it worse gave Jedikiah a TP love interest. It didn't make his character more complex, it just made it more cliche and I'm sure it will force an episode in which he will have too choose her or Ultra against a backdrop of further emo folk guitar plucking. They could have just left him as a bad guy with no romantic conflict of interest and still made the character interesting.
post #42 of 146
Yup, I too was hoping they wouldn't go there, now one of the 3 lovers needs to die, and soon, so we can get back to the interesting part of the show.
post #43 of 146
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Yup, I too was hoping they wouldn't go there, now one of the 3 lovers needs to die, and soon, so we can get back to the interesting part of the show.

Would love to hear what the interesting part of the show is. Yeah, its cool the kids have some powers but the circumstance is so boxed up that I don't really get where they go with this. Its almost a sitcom. How many times can whacky Stephen fool his idiot uncle. Hogan!!!!
post #44 of 146
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Would love to hear what the interesting part of the show is. Yeah, its cool the kids have some powers but the circumstance is so boxed up that I don't really get where they go with this. Its almost a sitcom. How many times can whacky Stephen fool his idiot uncle. Hogan!!!!
I'm more interested in what happened to the father and if some of the TP develop even more powers than what we've seen already. I agree that it is basically the dark pseudo-government agency chasing the "good guys" type of weekly procedural, but I'd like to see a more sci-fi aspect brought into the show, less "cops and robbers". I know I'm just fooling myself though as this is The CW and it will almost always be nothing more than adults acting as teenagers in love with one another. To be honest, I don't see myself still watching the show by the time the new year rolls around, I would hope to be, but that would entail it having more sci-fi and much less soap opera, something that's not likely to happen.
post #45 of 146
Wow, that was some serious teen angst this week; I guess CW hasn't fully abandoned writing its shows that way, despite its supposed push into catering to other demographics. I was surprised that they killed Darcy, and the show could improve as a result, depending on how they handle Stephen's new lack of a partner. It would seem that next week is a typical high-school drama where Stephen gets punished for abusing his powers for personal glory, so we won't be seeing that improvement immediately.
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How many times can whacky Stephen fool his idiot uncle. Hogan!!!!

You, sir, have made my evening. biggrin.gif
post #46 of 146
What a nice surprise this show has turned out be..
I had saved all nine episodes for future viewing- and have just started watching the last couple of nights since most of my regular shows are on holiday break.
The characters are interesting, the story is a bit different, good effects, and a brooding Peyton List- helps keep me interested. The show also moves along at a decent pace too- which I appreciate.
FWIW- the rest of my family really enjoys the show too.
post #47 of 146
They reeled in the love triangle very quickly so the show didn't lose me, but its still hanging around in the background like a bad smell waiting for the angsty dramatics to resume. Thankfully the show has kept pushing forward with new ideas and reveals so it does't have to fall back on that crutch.

I still only rate this an okay show. No great highs and just rolling along consistently. It's competent and interesting but it's still fairly weak on the writing side and it's now starting to remind me very much of Kyle XY.

Last week's fake execution was sadly and predictably fake but also full of holes not caused by bullets. All very well to fake the execution for your telepathic boss, but what happens when no body turns up? Does Ultra Founder not bother to check the details like police records and death certificates? Is he so lax that seeing someone shoot a pillow is a confirmation of a kill?

I was quite surprised when Jedekiah shot his girlfriend. I thought that was a gutsy move and a quick fix to the fact his character menace had been neutered so quickly. Letting her live was just a predictable copout to make Jedikiah a more audience-friendly bad guy. I doubt he will ever feel like a real threat again, but I am expecting him to join the TPs at some point now.

I concur about the effects. The teleport flash looks cool every time.
post #48 of 146
For the reasons you guys mentioned, this show is now one of my favorites.cool.gif

Looking forward to more episodes.
post #49 of 146
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For the reasons you guys mentioned, this show is now one of my favorites.cool.gif

Looking forward to more episodes.
Well, truthfully- I wouldn't have even given it a try if Peyton List wasn't in the cast.
I'm rather enjoying the two young men more or less coming to blows over her...
I also like her attitude (to the rapist guy) "I'm gonna make you beg...." while beating the crap out of him.
post #50 of 146
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Well, truthfully- I wouldn't have even given it a try if Peyton List wasn't in the cast.
No argument here.wink.gif

I have been looking for hot pics of her to post in the "Hottest Chick" thread....so far, nothing great.frown.gif
post #51 of 146
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I was quite surprised when Jedekiah shot his girlfriend. I thought that was a gutsy move and a quick fix to the fact his character menace had been neutered so quickly. Letting her live was just a predictable copout to make Jedikiah a more audience-friendly bad guy.

I was prepared to give this show major kudos if he had really killed his girlfriend, but I guess we're stuck with a faux villain. I'm not sure how he faked it or how he's supposed to be able to hide it from someone who has thus far been portrayed as one of the most powerful TP yet, but oh well. I still enjoy this show for what it is and will be tuning in again in the new year.

FYI, the show is moving to Mondays on March 17, but it will remain on Wednesdays until then.
post #52 of 146
Another solid episode last night...
Does anyone actually believe John's out as the TP leader?
I'd love to have Peyton List boss me around a bit biggrin.gif
post #53 of 146
Solid but still weak in the execution.

The opening was cool but nonsensical. Exactly how did a severed hand get from one TP-proof cell to the other? And why was The Citadel security so poor again? We already know Ultra possess tech to temporarily make entire rooms TP-proof, so why have a room holding your most dangerous experiments and only having containment inside the cell?

I like Ty Olsson, I wish he would become a regular on something. I enjoyed his character in this episode and his death was another hole in the story. Instead of teleporting or throwing Jedekiah or the gun from his hand they all just stood around chatting until he pulled the trigger. Dumb. A plot point that would have been valid if the room had a T- suppressor, but ...

Simple things to fix in the writers room but the show is unlikely to get the chance to improve in another season.
post #54 of 146
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Another solid episode last night...

I'd love to have Peyton List boss me around a bit biggrin.gif
Amen, brother.wink.gif

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Solid but still weak in the execution.

The opening was cool but nonsensical. Exactly how did a severed hand get from one TP-proof cell to the other? And why was The Citadel security so poor again? We already know Ultra possess tech to temporarily make entire rooms TP-proof, so why have a room holding your most dangerous experiments and only having containment inside the cell?

I like Ty Olsson, I wish he would become a regular on something. I enjoyed his character in this episode and his death was another hole in the story. Instead of teleporting or throwing Jedekiah or the gun from his hand they all just stood around chatting until he pulled the trigger. Dumb. A plot point that would have been valid if the room had a T- suppressor, but ...

Simple things to fix in the writers room but the show is unlikely to get the chance to improve in another season.
You have good points.
The writing hasn't been too good since the beginning episode.
There has always been holes, but I'm still sticking with it for the time being.
Besides, Ms. List is worth the price of admission.....
post #55 of 146
The most jarring part of the episode for me was the silly candle ceremony. You have superpowers, and that's how you use them? Why not just move the candle with your hand, and why use candles at all? Is a show of hands beneath them as a species? Maybe it's a test of your overall competence as a Tomorrow Person and your right to vote. If you have no self control and move the candle too quickly, the flame goes out, and then your vote doesn't count. rolleyes.gif
post #56 of 146
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Originally Posted by Aleron Ives View Post

The most jarring part of the episode for me was the silly candle ceremony. You have superpowers, and that's how you use them? Why not just move the candle with your hand, and why use candles at all? Is a show of hands beneath them as a species?

I thought the exact same thing about that ceremony. Raising hands would have been so much quicker. I guess they might consider it some kind of ritual ceremony for solving disputes that we have never seen, but since they have only ever had one leader it wouldn't have been used to nominate leaders before.

Unless someone just suggested it as a new ritual they could do! Maybe next time there's a voting process someone will say "Well, we are not using the candle system that Dave suggested last time. It takes way too long and the wax gets everywhere. What about just standing on one side of the room?"
post #57 of 146
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~~I like Ty Olsson, I wish he would become a regular on something. I enjoyed his character in this episode and his death was another hole in the story. Instead of teleporting or throwing Jedekiah or the gun from his hand they all just stood around chatting until he pulled the trigger. Dumb. A plot point that would have been valid if the room had a T- suppressor, but ...

I had an internal tantrum over that unnecessary death. That dude had a dynamite hand blast that should have sent Jedikiah into yesterday.

post #58 of 146
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I had an internal tantrum over that unnecessary death. That dude had a dynamite hand blast that should have sent Jedikiah into yesterday.

In the same episode didn't he deflect an Xrep-style cartridge back at an agent with his mind? It might have been moving slower than a bullet, but yeah, that guy was formidable. Too powerful to be taken out by inaction.
post #59 of 146
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I thought the exact same thing about that ceremony. Raising hands would have been so much quicker. I guess they might consider it some kind of ritual ceremony for solving disputes that we have never seen, but since they have only ever had one leader it wouldn't have been used to nominate leaders before.
Yeah, that was a pretty dumb scene.

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Unless someone just suggested it as a new ritual they could do! Maybe next time there's a voting process someone will say "Well, we are not using the candle system that Dave suggested last time. It takes way too long and the wax gets everywhere. What about just standing on one side of the room?"
LOL.
post #60 of 146
I like the Tomorrow People. It is nice to see that the movie "Jumpers" has made it to television.
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