Originally Posted by mark haflich
While I use a Lumagen for many things including its CMS, and its scaling, until the 4K in Lumagen comes out, no CMS nor vertical stretch for 4K sources. BTW. RCohen I don't get what HDCP protection has to do with the Lumagen. It isn't a display last time I looked. It just has to pass on the signals, codes, whatever. The display has to be HDCP 2.2, and the 1100ES is that.
Now my good friend Mike. Are you actually arguing that Sony should not do something because they won't do it right? Are you serious? They shouldn't attempt a CMS because they would not use the right let's call it math. They shouldn't provide for 4K vertical stretch. I guess they should remove the lower resolution stretch they have now and lower the price. With an external processor, you could take a lot out of the Sony. Now, I love Lumagen's scaling and I find the Sony to be less than perfect here, it rings a bit and Lumagen's scaling doesn't. Hello Sony. Your scaling could be better, glad to say you made it better in the 1100ES and it doesn't ring any more. Excuse me? Sorry you didn't do that either. Its OK, I have a Lumagen 4K out machine coming to replace my present Radiance.
I fully understand that owning a Lumagen is a must in my opinion for any high quality system. It is so multifaceted. It allows much fining tuning not otherwise possible. It is better at many things. BTW You should have been pitching for Detroit last night. But that is not excuse to leave something out of a machine and force the user to go elsewhere.
A sports car comes with decent tires. But there are better. Suppose you go to the dealer to pick your new car up. The dealer says your car doesn't come with tires. Not even a semi decent set to get you home? Nope.As soon as you go across the street to the tire store and get 4 tires of quality A plus or whatever, bring em back and you can put them on the car and drive off. Yea. Your installer can balance them up, inflate them to the right pressure, and put them on if you can't yourself. Don't look at me that way. We thought about including not as good tires in the price of the car and we can't get the best ones anyway, so we said WTF let you fend for your self. Think of it as saving money. I smile. Its OK I wanted the best tires available anyway and I brought my installer with me.
Am I mad at Sony? Not really about the CMS or vertical stretch I could care less about vertical stretch. CMS? Not mad either for a variety of reasons. Scaling could be better. I am not happy about that but I have external better. I can live without the things Sony didn't do feature wise because I am a Lumagen boy even more than Mike.
But that is no excuse for leaving things out. Take my best friend, Joerod. He is worldly acclaimed and he doesn't use a processor, let alone a Lumagen. Calibration? CMS. Ringing? He doesn't hear any. Let them colors pop, his guests love them. I am not picking on Joerod, but not everyone is a HT perfectionist. But if some manufacturer were to send him a A lens to review on his Sony with 4K sources he might change his tune. I know, he would simply get a Lumagen, and down res the 4K signal to 1080p so that the Sony vertical stretch would work and then let the Sony scale it back to 4K.. If I told him the Lumagen would stretch it at 4K, he would tell me he tried it and the picture looked better doing it his way.
OK Enough kidding. So you need a Lumagen and most of us have one already and will trade it in for a 4K out and then a 4K in.
But what about the slower chips and the consequent limitation to 8 bit 4K 60? And the impact this might have on our sport? And going to a wider color space, x.v. color. What drove that? Could it be wanting to sell Mastered in 4K Blurays and x.v. color can be done consistent with the existing 1080p bluray standard?