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DIY frame using Semour Center Stage XD

post #1 of 20
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First I would like to thank everyone in the dedicated theater design and construction area of AVS and all their help.

The Screen in a word is amazing I made it constant image area 2.0:1 so over all it is 126"x65" that gives me
126"x52" 2.40:1 with 136" diag, 6 12" bars top and bottom
126"x54" 2.35:1 with 137" diag, 5 1/2" bars top and bottom
120"x65" 1.85:1 with 137" diag, (man this size make it like being there) 3" bars both sides
116"x65" 16x9 with 133" diag. 5" bars both sides
So in the way the best of both worlds If I would have done a 2.40:1 screen 126" wide my 16x9 size would have been 92"x52" with 106" diag. If I would have done 16X9 65" tall my 2.40:1 would have been 116"x48" 126" diag.

I was going to do the now famous Big minimalist screen wall but could not find any 5/4 fingered join pine anywhere. They only carry the 1” which is more like 5/8” so we decided to beef it up with a 2x4/MDF/2x4 sandwich.

a little dark brown paint I know it is not black but it is what I had (saving black for screen frame)

The inside 2/4 was 3 ½” shorter top and bottom to accommodate our install method. Same with the cross beam

We fastened a 2x4 to a piece of MDF and attached to the ceiling. Then we used a plumb to locate the bottom plate. Sorry for the blurry Pics


then we installed the inside 2x4 with ears for the cross beam to mount

from behind you see the ears

after that we installed the 2x4/OSB which was screwed to the finger joined pine

and there you have it

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Edited by cw5billwade - 12/10/13 at 12:51pm
post #2 of 20
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What comes next the screen of course we started with the 1x3" fingered joined pine cut the piece to accommodate the Seymour 125”x64” DYI screen I ordered. I ordered it with the grommets installed and the bands. We cut to length and used the kregg tool to make our connections.


Perfect square 141 7/8" we used the L and T brackets and the Z bars to hand it on the cross beam



I trimed it with some toe molding so the screen would not ever tuch any of the suport beams

done

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Originally Posted by BIGmouthinDC View Post



From the man him self this means alot biggrin.gif
Edited by cw5billwade - 3/10/14 at 12:03pm
post #3 of 20
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Following some other AVS members advice I wrapped the frame with the triple plush velvet from SYFabricks.




done
post #4 of 20
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I worked with Jon at Seymour AV on my Center Stage XD on a custom Constant Image Area 2:1 screen with grommets and bands to wrap my DYI frame. It turned out being 126" wide and 65" tall giving me a 2.35:1 of 126"X53" 136" diagonal and a 16x9 of 115"x65" 132" diagonal


at first I laid out the screen punt my frame down and marked the screw locations 1 1/4" above each grommet.

you see here that the screw is perpendicular to the grommet as indicated by the marker.


when we got it on the wall there was a lot of sag so I chatted with Jon via email and Chris via PM and their solution was to add another 1/4" and to also have the screws get further off center as you got closer to the corners. Hope you understand what I mean. You can see the old screw holes

Wrapping the corner was interesting


and done it is tight as a drum I think that the velvet also helped as it was a smother surface so less resistant than the painted wood for the fabric to stretch over
With my LED accent lighting
post #5 of 20
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This is me trying to learn how to use my Panasonic AE8000
From the back of room


I zoomed my camera still from back

from the front seat with no zoom of camera

Before anyone asks this is before I did some fine toning of the projector leveling and what not I have to say the image is bright and after running Audyssey on my Denon AVR X4000 you do not even know the screen is there or the speakers are behind it.
post #6 of 20
Do you use any sort of masking at all?
post #7 of 20
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Originally Posted by mijotter View Post

Do you use any sort of masking at all?
My intention is to make panels using the SYFabrick triple plush velvet for the top and bottom of the screen. At first the panels will just be above and below the screen like any other 2:35:1 CIH screen. If I find that the black bars projected by the AE-8000 are distracting there are some great threads over here about building light weight masking panels you just slide into place SYFabrick also carries the triple plush velvet in multiple colors so the jury i.e. my wife is still out whether we will do red or black drapes on the sides or just do panels there as well in the black. If I do the Red drapes I will probably make the leading edge toward the screen have a 6” boarder of the black. My intention is to keep my front speakers in the 16x9 area and since there is only about 5” bars left and right on the 16x9 due to my 2.1 screen there should be no issues in the sound field with 2.40:1.
post #8 of 20
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Originally Posted by cw5billwade View Post

I worked with Jon at Seymour AV on my Center Stage XD on a custom Constant Image Area 2:1 screen with grommets and bands to wrap my DYI frame. It turned out being 126" wide and 65" tall giving me a 2.35:1 of 126"X53" 136" diagonal and a 16x9 of 115"x65" 132" diagonal


at first I laid out the screen punt my frame down and marked the screw locations 1 1/4" above each grommet.

you see here that the screw is perpendicular to the grommet as indicated by the marker.


when we got it on the wall there was a lot of sag so I chatted with Jon via email and Chris via PM and their solution was to add another 1/4" and to also have the screws get further off center as you got closer to the corners. Hope you understand what I mean. You can see the old screw holes

Wrapping the corner was interesting


and done it is tight as a drum I think that the velvet also helped as it was a smother surface so less resistant than the painted wood for the fabric to stretch over
With my LED accent lighting

Perhaps I am reading the instructions wrong for the DIY screen.  You built the frame, wrapped it in velvet, and then wrapped the frame, velvet and all, with the screen.  Isn't the velvet suppose to be visible?  Did you modify the instructions?  Also, above and below your screen, did you cover with GOM or basic drywall?  Looking to build my screen as well.  I like the way you did it as it ensures the screen to be nice and tight.  Haven't even ordered the supplies yet, but thought that the black velvet boarder would look sharp.  Thanks for any feedback you can give.  Seems like the more I learn, the more questions I have, lol.

 

KA

post #9 of 20
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You read and understand correct. Most DYI frame builds that wrap the screen around the frame the way I did normally paint the frame black which is what I did at first. The idea is black absorbs light and white reflects light and since an AT screen is translucent and light goes through it if the frame was white it would reflect back. Tim and others recommended to warp the frame with the triple plush velvet which is used to frame most screens as it absorbs more lite than most fabrics. Since I have it to build my panels with I figured why not.

My screen is 24" from the front wall which is lined with 1 1/2" mineral wool and covered with black materiel I bought from from SYFabrics. I am going to make panels above and below the screen and wrap them with the tipple plush velvet also purchased from SYFabrics. So my entire screen wall will be triple plush velvet not just a frame around the screen like most do. My friend had a screen with a 3" border of the velvet and when watching 2.40:1 the black bars which are projected above the image actually were wider than 3" so we had to wrap some 1x6 finger joined pine with velvet to absorb the over projected back bars. I will either make panels on the sides of the screen or drapes made from the triple flush fabric.
post #10 of 20

Thanks for clearing that up.  I am assuming you are putting your L/C/R speakers behind the screen and maybe your subs?  Do you have enough room with 24''?  How low from the ceiling are you hanging the screen?  I am worried about mine (going way too big) consuming the whole wall and not have enough space between the screen and floor/ceiling.  Right now I am planning on 6'' from the ceiling and 18'' from the floor.  I like the idea of an entire velvet front wall.  Have you heard any feedback on if it impacts acoustics?  Looks great so far, love to see more pictures of the room/stage area!

post #11 of 20
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yes my speakers are behind the screen on stands so that tweeter is at ear height. 24" is tight but most LCRs are not that deep it is the subwoffers where you may have an issue with 24" depending on what you get. my subwoffers are not behind the screen they are located 1/4 of the room width from both the side walls which is just outside the screen to the left and right. They will still be behind either the curtain or panels that I have yet to build. The Seymour Center Stage XD materiel is designed for the speakers to be there and both DTS and Dolby standards locate the speakers there so it is a positive effect on the acoustics. 6" from ceiling and 18" from floor should not bee an issue. I have seen other builds with less.
post #12 of 20
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So people asked how I hung the screen. I used picture brackets from HD I have heard these referred to as French cleats and Z brackets.
they only had 2 of the 12" so we also got an 18" and put it in the center. We liked the design of the 18" better.
12" screen side

12" minimalist wall side


18" screen side

18" minimalist wall side

post #13 of 20
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A lot of folks were asking what I was going to do around the screen so here is the frame wall build.
My granddaughter helping with my screen wall frames and my Grandson and Son-in-law Kevin helped me wrap them.


I made the frames out of 2x2s all of the 2x2s in my build are from ripped 2x4s so unlike the 2x2s purchased at box store they are 1 1/2 x 1 3/4 vise 1 1/2 x 1 1/2 this plays into the overall depth or height so you need to watch which way it is turned or you may end up taking things apart. Ask me how I know!
Here are the frames getting ready for the triple plush velvet bought at SyFabric


When I laid them on the 44" wide velvet there was plenty to wrap around both frames making less waste.

Just like before just wrap pull tight and staple the crap out of them

I wrapped the ends like a Christmas present. Yes I said it “Christmas” those political correct Nazis can kiss my A$$

finished product


post #14 of 20
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I am still not sure about whether I was going to make panels for the sides or curtains and I had enough velvet to wrap some 2x4s to temporally frame my screen so I went for it. That is what Kevin and Austin were helping me with. I kind of like the overall look and will post before and after as well.
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The frame and 2x4s made it so dark I had to turn my back lighting on to get some good contrast.
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This was the before my buddy Rob and I made boxes out of 2x4and MDF and wrapped them in Carpet remnants to get tweeter at ear height actually just above ear height for 1st row.
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From behind
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Here is the finished product agian with back lighting I like the look may not do anything.
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more shots with out the 2x4s
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This shot best shows all my colors
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view from outside door
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Edited by cw5billwade - 12/30/13 at 11:58am
post #15 of 20
What's DYI?
post #16 of 20
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My bad DIY
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Originally Posted by cw5billwade View Post

My bad DIY
That's what I thought but didn't want to assume. BTW, it's DYI in your sig too. wink.gif Thanks for posting stuff like this. I'm not very good with my hands so it's always nice to watch you guys do this and it's helpful to have good "how to" pictures if I ever venture into it. smile.gif
post #18 of 20
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Originally Posted by AYColumbia View Post

That's what I thought but didn't want to assume. BTW, it's DYI in your sig too. wink.gif Thanks for posting stuff like this. I'm not very good with my hands so it's always nice to watch you guys do this and it's helpful to have good "how to" pictures if I ever venture into it. smile.gif
thanks I fixed my signature. It helps me to have friends that have skills and then I learn from them.
Edited by cw5billwade - 2/3/14 at 9:29am
post #19 of 20
Came out great - we have similar carpet too! (mine is brown version of what looks to be the same thing)
post #20 of 20
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Like I said my theater is a combination of many great ideas here. You, Spaceman, and Mario and anything BIGmouthin DC touches biggrin.gif
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