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post #151 of 444
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l pray God will cure you of your insanity, Rich.....

Agreed! No offense, archiguy. smile.gif For me, Lost was the biggest waste of time in television history. Okay okay, at least history since I started watching. The first season was EPIC, the 2nd was compelling enough to make me keep watching, but then after than it took a nose dive faster than the plane they all crashed on. I actually tell people who are thinking about watching to not even bother. To each their own, though. I'll give you this: it's a show no one will ever forget. When it was great it was truly amazing. Unfortunately the bad far outweighs the good IMO.
post #152 of 444
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l pray God will cure you of your insanity, Rich.....

No, I was really into LOST, until the end. It was great sci-fi there for awhile, and there's precious little of it on TV. We had season premiere parties every year, big time, lots of fun. But I thought they were going in an entirely different direction that the one they ultimately pursued. The fact that the ending was sour doesn't completely obscure the previous 5 sweet seasons, but it didn't leave a great taste in the mouth either. No question they blew their chance at genre immortality.
post #153 of 444
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Agreed! No offense, archiguy. smile.gif For me, Lost was the biggest waste of time in television history. Okay okay, at least history since I started watching. The first season was EPIC, the 2nd was compelling enough to make me keep watching, but then after than it took a nose dive faster than the plane they all crashed on. I actually tell people who are thinking about watching to not even bother. To each their own, though. I'll give you this: it's a show no one will ever forget. When it was great it was truly amazing. Unfortunately the bad far outweighs the good IMO.
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No, I was really into LOST, until the end. It was great sci-fi there for awhile, and there's precious little of it on TV. We had season premiere parties every year, big time, lots of fun. But I thought they were going in an entirely different direction that the one they ultimately pursued. The fact that the ending was sour doesn't completely obscure the previous 5 sweet seasons, but it didn't leave a great taste in the mouth either. No question they blew their chance at genre immortality.
Although I couldn't get past the first couple of shows (because of the premise), I'm glad others found something to like about it.

To be honest, I didn't do BSG either.
Visions of Lorne Greene and the soapishness of the thing didn't grab me.wink.gif
post #154 of 444
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To be honest, I didn't do BSG either.
Visions of Lorne Greene and the soapishness of the thing didn't grab me.wink.gif

Me either. But the remake couldn't have been further from that 80's cheezefest in tone, style, or production values. It won a Peabody Award one year for the best dramatic series on TV. Most folks here will sing its praises until the cows come home. Well worth getting into. I'm about to order the full series set for my cyber-monday X-mas gift to me. I've been waiting for it to get down under $100 clams. smile.gif
post #155 of 444
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Although I couldn't get past the first couple of shows (because of the premise), I'm glad others found something to like about it.

To be honest, I didn't do BSG either.
Visions of Lorne Greene and the soapishness of the thing didn't grab me.wink.gif

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Originally Posted by archiguy View Post

Me either. But the remake couldn't have been further from that 80's cheezefest in tone, style, or production values. It won a Peabody Award one year for the best dramatic series on TV. Most folks here will sing its praises until the cows come home. Well worth getting into. I'm about to order the full series set for my cyber-monday X-mas gift to me. I've been waiting for it to get down under $100 clams. smile.gif


I love both for the exact reasons you both mention. what makes the remake stand out IMO is that my wife could get into it and any scifi she enjoys is better that her tolerating it and rolling her eyes at them.
post #156 of 444
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What shows are you referring to that were actually bad, but lived a longer life because of fan adulation?

Lost? smile.gif

That one is the complete opposite! ABC wanted it to run and run, but everyone else wanted it to end. That time around fans and creators got what they wanted.
post #157 of 444
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Although I couldn't get past the first couple of shows (because of the premise), I'm glad others found something to like about it.

To be honest, I didn't do BSG either.
Visions of Lorne Greene and the soapishness of the thing didn't grab me.wink.gif
You never watched BSG?! Who's sanity are we talking about again? rolleyes.gifbiggrin.gif
post #158 of 444
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The most generic of the episodes so far. Barely any sci-fi apart from the old future drug trope and the tech going undercover is as unoriginal as plots get. Only Kennex executing the bad guy made this episode even slightly memorable.

I guess in the future there will either be a dye shortage or colored clothing will become illegal. Only black and gray allowed.

It's only been on for four episodes yet the show feels like it's run out of ideas already.
post #159 of 444
Out of ideas? I enjoyed this episode, why did you start this thread if all you post about it is negative...
post #160 of 444
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Out of ideas? I enjoyed this episode, why did you start this thread if all you post about it is negative...

Because my psychic abilities haven't been delivered yet, so unfortunately I am unable to tell in advance how good a show will be over a period of 13 weeks.

Kind of like how you are unable to read. If you could you would be able to identify the parts of the show I do like and think work quite well. rolleyes.gif

Or you could just ignore them if it makes your life easier.
post #161 of 444
So, I take it that Dorian's model is much weaker than the current androids. When the show started, I was looking forward to an android fight, but he basically got his ass kicked in that fight. It was no better than if a human tried to take on Bishop's robot.
post #162 of 444
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Because my psychic abilities haven't been delivered yet, so unfortunately I am unable to tell in advance how good a show will be over a period of 13 weeks.

Kind of like how you are unable to read. If you could you would be able to identify the parts of the show I do like and think work quite well. rolleyes.gif

Or you could just ignore them if it makes your life easier.
I can read just fine thank you, I'd hate to watch a show or a movie looking for the bad, not being able to "just watch"... I guess it must suck, glad I'm not like that. biggrin.gif
post #163 of 444
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So, I take it that Dorian's model is much weaker than the current androids. When the show started, I was looking forward to an android fight, but he basically got his ass kicked in that fight. It was no better than if a human tried to take on Bishop's robot.
Was the android Dorian was fighting the Terminator from the Sarah Connors Chronicles? he looked very familiar ...
post #164 of 444
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Originally Posted by dfergie View Post

Was the android Dorian was fighting the Terminator from the Sarah Connors Chronicles? he looked very familiar ...

No he was not. That was this guy:
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0226813/?ref_=tt_cl_t2

I agree with VisionOn - this episode was pretty bad. I still think the Sex Bot one was worse, though.
post #165 of 444
Yep, a fairly pedestrian episode last night. They missed out on a chance to demonstrate more of DRN's abilities (having him beat up by a larger robot wasn't as interesting as it should have been). Anyone know what episode # it was? Perhaps it was one of the earlier episodes filmed? We already know they're airing episodes out of order.
post #166 of 444
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Yep, a fairly pedestrian episode last night. They missed out on a chance to demonstrate more of DRN's abilities (having him beat up by a larger robot wasn't as interesting as it should have been). Anyone know what episode # it was? Perhaps it was one of the earlier episodes filmed? We already know they're airing episodes out of order.

This is in order with the rest of the run after the second episode but it still didn't make sense that Kennex was now back to being grumpy cop who doesn't really like Dorian. A couple of episodes ago he was cracking jokes, and last week they were getting along well. This week they are both making facetious comments and Kennex is making snide comments about Dorian being a friend.

Episode 3 is about Dorian encountering an old DRN and that will be the final episode this year. Based on ratings this week it might also be the final episode (new low - 5.7 mill/1.7). Maybe in that episode it will start using Dorian and the androids in an interesting way.

12/16/13 (Mo.) 8:00 PMFOX(HU-103) Arrhythmia
12/9/13 (Mo.)8:00 PMFOX(HU-108) Blood Brothers

The key ingredient on this show is the android element. Forget the future drugs, the show should be working with that. Sleepy Hollow wisely embraced it's original element and every episode features historical gags, flashbacks and set pieces from that era. Human needs to do the same. In this episode we learned that bad guys now have their own. So why don't they expand on that subject? Who makes all the androids? Are they regulated? How are they entering the black market? Why aren't they going around committing crimes for humans or even themselves?

There are hundreds of stories they could be doing instead of the typical crime procedural fodder. Introduce a DRN Moriarty or serial killer, investigate black market modifications to make the androids into killing machines, explain why Dorian is obsolete and what happens to the old models who don't want to be terminated, etc. etc.
post #167 of 444
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There are hundreds of stories they could be doing instead of the typical crime procedural fodder. Introduce a DRN Moriarty or serial killer, investigate black market modifications to make the androids into killing machines, explain why Dorian is obsolete and what happens to the old models who don't want to be terminated, etc. etc.
But that would require hiring science fiction writers.
post #168 of 444
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What shows are you referring to that were actually bad, but lived a longer life because of fan adulation?

I'm so glad you asked smile.gif

Just off the top of my head.

Space 1999
Earth: Final Conflict
Land of the Giants
Galactica 1980 - spin off from original BSG
Knight Rider
Star Trek: Enterprise - did anyone actually watch that show?
Andromeda (last few seasons)

I could go on but know many of you adore these smile.gif Hey, you're scifi fans!
post #169 of 444

Space 1999 lasted a grand total of 2 seasons. As did Land of the Giants. Galactica 1980 made it to a half season. 

Earth Final Conflict did run for 5 years, starting out good, before getting 'Tribuned'-also known as ''Tribunization'', fandom slang for ''turned into tripe'' by it's production company Tribune. Fans panned the show's seasonal degradation...it most definately was not kept afloat because of adoring fandom. Same exact story with Andromeda, also from Tribune. Knight Rider was dumb fun, but again, I wouldn't credit it's run to sci fI fans propping it up. 

 

 

Non sci fi fans do play a role in many of these shows staying afloat longer than you or I might have cared for. Just don't blame genre audiences for the long life of sci fi programs you don't care for. You just might find a majority of us share your opinion over the lack of quality of many of these shows. 

post #170 of 444
Enjoyed this latest episode.

To be honest, it's the humor that makes it worth watching.
Some of the "futuristic" stuff is laughable, at best (i.e. cop cars from 2013 are still being used in 2048).rolleyes.gif
post #171 of 444
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Some of the "futuristic" stuff is laughable, at best (i.e. cop cars from 2013 are still being used in 2048).rolleyes.gif

Honestly, I'm not sure if that's a Robocop in-joke or not. I can't quite tell the intention there. Usual cost-cutting or subtle homage? They are using the Audi's from I, Robot in some scenes too.
post #172 of 444
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Just off the top of my head.

Space 1999
Earth: Final Conflict
Land of the Giants
Galactica 1980 - spin off from original BSG
Knight Rider
Star Trek: Enterprise - did anyone actually watch that show?
Andromeda (last few seasons)

I could go on but know many of you adore these smile.gif Hey, you're scifi fans!

Space 1999 was a UK show and they operate on completely different production levels and requirements. Especially in the 70's. Not to mention most fans didn't like the second season changes to make it "sexier" either.

Earth: Final Conflict was a Canadian show, that was initially cancelled but then bought out. It was constantly changed to try and make a buck off the acquisition. It definitely wasn't the fan base that wanted it to change the premise every season until the producers gave up trying to make money from it.

Galactica 1980 lasted ten episodes and I can't recall any fan base wanting it to go even that long.

Enterprise was not kept alive by fans, it was kept alive by UPN trying to hit a syndication number and so the network did not have to start new programming for it's final years. It was barely coasting with 2 million viewers in it's final season.

The others don't even rate because they are so old that the fan base had almost no say or influence in the shows and on that list you would be hard pressed to find anyone on this forum who thinks they are high quality anyway.

Mentioning Highlander/Raven might have got you some points and that's an obvious one that was kept going because it was cheap and syndicated well. You could even arguably throw in Babylon 5 and Crusade, but the only thing you've demonstrated with this list is that you really have no clue what you are talking about. rolleyes.gif

Plus of course the show that is infamous for being resurrected and dragged slowly to it's death due to fans isn't even sc-fi. It's Baywatch. Most shows that survive past their prime because people like to keep watching the same thing over and over are not science-fiction at all. The level of quality the mainstream audience will accept has always been several bars lower than any science-fiction fan.
Edited by VisionOn - 12/4/13 at 1:21am
post #173 of 444
I think the fan base kept all of the Star Trek series after Next Generation (Deep Space Nine, Voyager and Enterprise) alive longer than they would have lived on their own merit. Same can be said for Stargate (although I must admit I watched Atlantis), especially Universe.

On the latest Almost Human episode, the writers better be careful about overdoing the snarky insults by Dorian to Kennex.
post #174 of 444
ST:DS9 was a pretty good series (the only fully serialized Trek), the ones that followed, not so much. I agree with VisionOn that ST:Enterprise was kept around by the studio/network longer than it merited because all the other Treks had gone 7 years and they couldn't understand why this one wouldn't either. The fans sure didn't try to save it.

The only Stargate series I enjoyed and watched, after the original SG1 was dumped by Showtime, was 'Universe' which I quite enjoyed. Probably because it was fully serialized as well. Unfortunately, not enough people felt the same way, there was some very unfortunate and unfair criticism IMO (I've always said sci-fi fans eat their young), and it got dumped just when it was getting good. Come to think about it, that could be the epitaph of any number of failed science fiction shows. With fans like them, who needs enemies?
post #175 of 444
A bad cop show with a sci-fi veneer isn't going to fool anyone.

What Almost Human seems to lack is commitment.

Is it a buddy-cop show or an odd-couple cop show? Then you need to get much deeper into the characters, much sooner. This was Ep107, yet the relationship between the leads is still amorphous.

Is it a serial drama? There was indication of that in the pilot, but those threads appear to have been entirely dropped.

Is it a show about "future crime" based on rampant technological development? Then hire some science-fiction writers and futurists; I thought it was hilarious to see the 60 Minutes piece about Amazon drone delivery six days after seeing the "futuristic" police drones on the hostage episode. A clever hook about electronic disguises is wasted on a generic heist story.

Worst of all, it's not clever, it's not suspenseful, it's not fresh, and it's sufficiently slow-moving that it gives the viewer too much time to ask questions, and there are many questions. There is no character development at all.

I'm watching because I like Urban and there are Fringe people involved, but I'm ready to bail.
Edited by rdclark - 12/5/13 at 11:13am
post #176 of 444
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Honestly, I'm not sure if that's a Robocop in-joke or not. I can't quite tell the intention there. Usual cost-cutting or subtle homage? They are using the Audi's from I, Robot in some scenes too.

Definitely cost-cutting, there's no way they can afford to roll their own fleet of vehicles. It is funny to see mildly enhanced current-day cars though.
post #177 of 444
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Definitely cost-cutting, there's no way they can afford to roll their own fleet of vehicles. It is funny to see mildly enhanced current-day cars though.
There's also lots of screen filling close-ups with very shallow depth of field focus when outside and or driving to keep you from clearly seeing 2013 tech/vehicles in the background.... to me it's very apparent that they're budget saving moves.
post #178 of 444
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There's also lots of screen filling close-ups with very shallow depth of field focus when outside and or driving to keep you from clearly seeing 2013 tech/vehicles in the background.... to me it's very apparent that they're budget saving moves.

My jaw dropped in the pilot when I saw the car. I owned a 2010 Taurus the first year of the new body style. biggrin.gif
post #179 of 444
Are they Tauruses or Ford Fusions? The front/hood looks like the latter to me...
post #180 of 444
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Originally Posted by archiguy View Post

ST:DS9 was a pretty good series (the only fully serialized Trek), the ones that followed, not so much.

I would hardly go so far as to say that DS9 was fully serialised. It had many recurring plots, but they were intermixed with procedurals in every season, most of which could still be watched in any order.
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The only Stargate series I enjoyed and watched, after the original SG1 was dumped by Showtime, was 'Universe' which I quite enjoyed. Probably because it was fully serialized as well.

We'll have to agree to disagree on that one. I'm still upset that we lost the chance for two more seasons of Atlantis (and a follow-up movie) so SGU could exist. frown.gif
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