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I planning on ordering this Tv, i never had a plasma so this will be a whole new experience. Currently, i have a Sony LED 55" W900a which i purchased recently (the only led that was good enough) but im just not happy with its small size and there is no "65 from sony, so it will be returned.
I like a 65" and the ST60 seems be the first one in my sight because of the size, performance and price ratio however the fact that tv is plasma makes me hesitate, i read that you have to go through all sorts of hassle before you can enjoy the set. Like you cant watch tv with logos or black bars.


1. Is it ok play games, watch movies with blacks, the first 200 - 400 hours ?

2 . Are the break-in hours with slide shows necessary to get best picture quality or safety? Will i not see the true performance of tv the first days ? Obviously never did this as a lcd owner.

3. Can you crank up the settings contrast, brightness without any risk ? The tv seems to bright enough but i want to know if i have the option to crank it up.

4. Also im the kinda guy that likes to have a wallpaper on TV or pause a movie, while im maybe doing some work on the computer or listing to music. Is 30min - 1 hour wallpaper detrimental to the tv`s health in the long run ?



Im little in a hurry, only got 7 days left on my sony so i need to make a decision. I would get the VT but the price jump is just too insane, i live in Norway after all.
post #2 of 9
I'm a Samsung owner myself, but I'll try to help best I can?

Plasmas are a bit "darker" than LCD/LED's are, but they have a more realistic picture. To me plasmas are much more easy on the eyes. Plasmas these days are a lot brighter though than they used to be, so this may not even be an issue for you?

As for price, I think the rule of computers applies to big screens also? Buy the best that you can afford so you'll always be happy with it. If you can afford the very best 60 inch, but can only afford the middle of the road 65 inch, then you have to decide which is better?

There's no hassle watching the set, but... Panasonics suffer burn-in from static images easier than Samsungs do, but you have to abuse them pretty bad to have a problem. There's no hassle with them, but a little common sense goes a long way. wink.gif

1. I played Xbox for hours on a new one right out of the box and never had a problem.

2. Break-in is one of those 50/50 things. Half the people say you absolutely must do it, the other half say you don't? I have a 5-year-old set that I never did a break-in on (didn't know any better at the time) and it's still great. I would say do whatever makes you feel better? The pixels are brighter to start with, then settle into their operating range after awhile.

3. Yes, you can crank things up, but you probably don't have to depending on the particular set and how it came from the factory?

4. Again this depends on the set? I have fallen asleep all night, a bunch of times, with an image on-screen without a single problem. But then we fall back to the Panasonic vs. Samsung difference?

Hope this helps!
post #3 of 9
Do you have any proof that Panasonics are more prone to "burn in" or is that just your opinion?

Maybe the OP needs to look through the official ST60 thread as people have asked these same questions over and over again.

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1450484/official-panasonic-tc-pxxst60-series-thread

Ask your questions there to people that actually own the set.

BTW: I currently have two Panny Plasmas (ST60 and VT25) and three LCD TVs (One Sony, one Panny 720, and one LG 3D) so not biased brand wise.
Edited by PoppaC - 10/30/13 at 7:02am
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Originally Posted by jason22 View Post

I planning on ordering this Tv, i never had a plasma so this will be a whole new experience. Currently, i have a Sony LED 55" W900a which i purchased recently (the only led that was good enough) but im just not happy with its small size and there is no "65 from sony, so it will be returned.
I like a 65" and the ST60 seems be the first one in my sight because of the size, performance and price ratio however the fact that tv is plasma makes me hesitate, i read that you have to go through all sorts of hassle before you can enjoy the set. Like you cant watch tv with logos or black bars.


1. Is it ok play games, watch movies with blacks, the first 200 - 400 hours ?
yes. the ONLY problem is if you restrict content. like you ONLY watch letterbox, or ONLY watch 4:3, or ONLY play the same game. flash some full screen 'normal' content on the screen once a day and your find, and that's probably being overly cautious too.
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2 . Are the break-in hours with slide shows necessary to get best picture quality or safety? Will i not see the true performance of tv the first days ? Obviously never did this as a lcd owner.
no, not at all. they are designed to age the phosphors (or whatever) evenly. there's a greater chance of seeing image retention in the first few hundred hours, this simply prevents that. you have to think of image retention as a difference in use. if pixels are used more, they 'wear out' more. the difference in wear is simply more noticeable in the first couple hundred hours. i suspect the only reason for 'break in slides' was to stop customers from returning their tv's from 'burn in' after watching the news for 30mins. once you get past that 'break in' time, it's takes more abuse to see any image retention. anyway, in all cases i've ever seen, i had to look for IR to see it on normal content.
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3. Can you crank up the settings contrast, brightness without any risk ? The tv seems to bright enough but i want to know if i have the option to crank it up.
you can comfortably adjust picture settings to their correct values. increasing brightness does not increase brightness, it increases the black level, do not crank that up. increasing contrast also does no increase brightness, it adjusts the white level. the only safe(and i mean this will not ruin the picture, not the tv itself) is to adjust cell light
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4. Also im the kinda guy that likes to have a wallpaper on TV or pause a movie, while im maybe doing some work on the computer or listing to music. Is 30min - 1 hour wallpaper detrimental to the tv`s health in the long run ?
this bad for all tv's. i would say 15min tops of a static image, anything more is a waste to keep it on if you aren't using it. that being said, i use mine as a computer monitor, and i regularly surf the web for an hour at a time or more. it won't destroy your tv, but don't leave it on for no reason. if you aren't using the screen(you leave the room, just listening to music, etc) then turn it off. 'wasted' hours will shorten the life of any display

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Im little in a hurry, only got 7 days left on my sony so i need to make a decision. I would get the VT but the price jump is just too insane, i live in Norway after all.
personally, i didn't see a big difference between the st and vt. to throw out a monkey wrench(not sure of your local price or availability) but coming from an lcd, you may find the samsung f8500 an easier transistion. it has a more lcd-like image, just without the lcd motion and backlight problems.
post #5 of 9
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Originally Posted by PoppaC View Post

Do you have any proof that Panasonics are more prone to "burn in" or is that just your opinion?

Yes, I posted it here a dozen times. Cnet was testing Samsung vs. Panasonic. The tech left a static image on all night. When they came in in the morning all of the Panasonics had burn-in and the Samsungs didn't have any.

http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-33199_7-57449881-221/samsung-plasma-wins-cnets-accidental-burn-in-test/

As for me, I'm not a Panny fanboy. My family and I didn't like anything about them after watching them at about 12 different stores. Going back over the last 6 years and 4 different TV purchases.
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As I said, the OP should do some reading before making a decision. I did a quick read through that article as well as some of the comments posted. Not exactly controlled testing methods there, and not done with the newest sets judging by the posting date. I would think if this was a "fact" as you seem to indicate, it would be more common knowledge.

You are not a Panny fan boy, huh? No kidding.... Maybe I should troll some of the Samsung threads and give my valued opinion on sets that I have never owned. Would have been different if the OP said he was trying to decide between a Samsung and a Panasonic and asked for opinions of people that have owned both.....

Jason: Seriously, if you are not happy with the set you have, and you can return it, just return it and then do some research before buying another set. Don't be rushed into making a snap decision if you don't have to.

BTW: This article came from CNet the same site that gave the ST60 the best overall rating of any TV they had tested up to that time.

http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-tvs/panasonic-tc-p55st60/4505-6482_7-35567256.html
Edited by PoppaC - 10/30/13 at 8:48am
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Originally Posted by PoppaC View Post

As I said, the OP should do some reading before making a decision. I did a quick read through that article as well as some of the comments posted. Not exactly controlled testing methods there, and not done with the newest sets judging by the posting date. I would think if this was a "fact" as you seem to indicate, it would be more common knowledge.

You are not a Panny fan boy, huh? No kidding.... Maybe I should troll some of the Samsung threads and give my valued opinion on sets that I have never owned. Would have been different if the OP said he was trying to decide between a Samsung and a Panasonic and asked for opinions of people that have owned both.....

Jason: Seriously, if you are not happy with the set you have, and you can return it, just return it and then do some research before buying another set. Don't be rushed into making a snap decision if you don't have to.

BTW: This article came from CNet the same site that gave the ST60 the best overall rating of any TV they had tested up to that time.

http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-tvs/panasonic-tc-p55st60/4505-6482_7-35567256.html

It was last year's TV's they were talking about. And I didn't exactly slam Panasonic, just pointed out the burn-in and there's plenty of posts in AVS to back it up?
post #8 of 9
Gotta love that block member option smile.gif

Anyways, the OP has not posted again, so I assume he has already made a decision.
Edited by PoppaC - 10/30/13 at 9:40am
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i agree with you,the OP has not posted again, so I assume he has already made a decision.

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